EU Reportedly Satisfied With Apple's Plans to Open iPhone's NFC Chip to Rivals

[delsoul]

So odd to see all of the EU residents moaning about how they despise Apple, want them to change their device abilities to their liking, etc....when they could just go buy a Samsung with Android OS and be completely happy. Never understood why people moan so much and want others to change their ways for them when they could go elsewhere. I never expect Mazda to adopt Mercedes business practices, I just go buy a Mercedes.

 

[PlayUltimate]

Any company, from any industry. No exceptions.

Companies should not be legally allowed to keep me from doing what I want with hardware I own. I purchased it, therefor it is mine; not theirs to decide. If Apple, or any other company, wants to control my hardware, then they can lease it or rent it to me. Once it's sold to me, they lose any right to it whatsoever.

I don't want Android. I want an iPhone, and I want Apple to let me use it as I see fit.

You already can. . . . but it is not Apple's obligation to provide you with the software to make it happen

 

[hans1972]

Any company, from any industry. No exceptions.

Companies should not be legally allowed to keep me from doing what I want with hardware I own. I purchased it, therefor it is mine; not theirs to decide. If Apple, or any other company, wants to control my hardware, then they can lease it or rent it to me. Once it's sold to me, they lose any right to it whatsoever.

I don't want Android. I want an iPhone, and I want Apple to let me use it as I see fit.

Any human, from any country. No exceptions.

Humans should not be legally allowed to work against closed system when there is an open alternative. if you, or any other human, wants to hinder me from enjoying a closed system, then they can choose to buy an open system.
Once I have started enjoying a closed system, they loose any right to fight against it whatsoever.

I don't want you. I want a closed system and I want you to let me use it in a closed way.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

You already can. . . . but it is not Apple's obligation to provide you with the software to make it happen

They don't need to, but it should be their legal obligation to let me have access to the hardware in a way that I can easily, and freely, install what I want.

Any human, from any country. No exceptions.

Humans should not be legally allowed to work against closed system when there is an open alternative. if you, or any other human, wants to hinder me from enjoying a closed system, then they can choose to buy an open system.
Once I have started enjoying a closed system, they loose any right to fight against it whatsoever.

I don't want you. I want a closed system and I want you to let me use it in a closed way.

If you want to restrict what your device does, build it and write the software yourself.

Personal rights > corporation rights. Every. Single. Time.

 

[PlayUltimate]

Amazing how many people seem to think that your phone, that you purchase outright, still belongs to Apple

So odd

I agree that it is your phone to do with as you want.

 

[dandy1117]

Amazing how many people seem to think that your phone, that you purchase outright, still belongs to Apple

So odd

Smartphones are unique consumer electronic devices. After purchasing the device, your relationship continues with the manufacturer. In addition to needing cellular service with an ISP, consider the services you expect after buying a smartphone from the platform owner. Your ongoing service may include server calls for the integrated smart assistant, updated mapping data, free software updates, etc. In this context, it's important to consider the ongoing relationship and the extent to which the platform owner influences the operation and monetization of the device and services.

Perhaps the solution should be that smartphone hardware is completely separate from ongoing service, and that platform owners simply offer optional payment packages for server requests, software updates, and location services (?)

 

[PlayUltimate]

They don't need to, but it should be their legal obligation to let me have access to the hardware in a way that I can easily, and freely, install what I want.

Why should it be Apple's obligation to write software to satisfy your whims? Most of the people that use iOS appear to be happy with the way that it is currently implemented.

 

[hans1972]

There's something noble about making such capable software available to the masses, don't you think?

It's not noble, but acceptable that Google is doing this.

But then the EU shouldn't care about the rest of us who wants to use a closed system where Apple is the benevolent dictator.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

It's not noble, but acceptable that Google is doing this.

But then the EU shouldn't care about the rest of us who wants to use a closed system where Apple is the benevolent dictator.

I, on the other hand, will vote and lobby my representatives that do care about how Apple is keeping their systems closed and will push them to open it.

I don't accept that a benevolent dictator is ever acceptable. It's an immoral concept on it's face.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

It's not noble, but acceptable that Google is doing this.

What? Don't think technology should be available to the masses?

I'm no Google stan, I'm just glad someone took the initiative to make it happen.

But then the EU shouldn't care about the rest of us who wants to use a closed system where Apple is the benevolent dictator.

No such thing as a benevolent dictator.

 

[hans1972]

Amazing how many people seem to think that your phone, that you purchase outright, still belongs to Apple

So odd

That's because what some us wants, align more with Apple than banks and other third parties.

I don't want banks to be able to create good solutions for payment which this does. I want them to be forced to support Apple Pay, so I have the same method for the actual paying no matter what credit/debet/other card I'm using.

I'm not against dictators because they're tyrannical, I'm against them because they almost never wants the same thing as me.

Apple is a good exception most of the time.

 

[Nekronos]

In Norway, the largest bank (20-25% market share) never supported Apple Pay. Now they're joined by other banks to push the bank's own payment solution onto iPhones. Banks are already withdrawing support for Apple Pay here.

Banks teaming up or a very large bank with market share like that always presents such a possibility, however, that's not likely in the U.S. As I mentioned banks have had the opportunity to do that with android and have not done so - the largest bank in the U.S. has ~16% market share.

 

[hans1972]

If you want to restrict what your device does, build it and write the software yourself.

Personal rights > corporation rights. Every. Single. Time.

I want Apple do build the things I want, since I can't do it myself.

>Personal rights > corporation rights. Every. Single. Time.

I disagree with this inequality a lot of times.

Companies should enjoy enormous amount freedom just like people.

Closed system for consumers should have special protection because they're in a minority and is in danger of becoming extinct.

 

[PlayUltimate]

That's because what some us wants, align more with Apple than banks and other third parties.

I don't want banks to be able to create good solutions for payment which this does. I want them to be forced to support Apple Pay, so I have the same method for the actual paying no matter what credit/debet/other card I'm using.

I'm not against dictators because they're tyrannical, I'm against them because they almost never wants the same thing as me.

Apple is a good exception most of the time.

The odd thing is that the dictator, in this case, is the unelected members of the European Commission, which is unilaterally deciding how Apple should conduct its business. On the other hand, Apple has to respond, every day, to the democratic purchase decisions of free consumers. If consumers are feeling oppressed by Apple's decisions, they can always choose to spend their money elsewhere.

 

[hans1972]

Banks teaming up or a very large bank with market share like that always presents such a possibility, however, that's not likely in the U.S. As I mentioned banks have had the opportunity to do that with android and have not done so - the largest bank in the U.S. has ~16% market share.

Well, this bank did implement their own payment solution on Android which uses NFC.
And they moved this payment solution to a separate company which almost all the other banks are buying into and at the same time implementing this payment solution on both Android and now iPhone.

Now the banks in Norway will have one payment solution working with NFC on both Android/iPhone and combined ATM/Visa debet cards. Since they own the whole technology stack, they'll also get customer data.

Many of them will have very little incentive to support Apple Pay and some banks are removing support, No bank has added support in the last year or so.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Companies should enjoy enormous amount freedom just like people.

I was agreeing with you up until this part. Businesses should absolutely not have nearly as much freedom as actual people.

 

[AbSoluTc]

I don't understand this. Apple made the hardware and software, why can't they NOT allow anyone else to have a payment system on it? So Curve gets the benefit of a HUGE company/hardware/software without footing the bill for all of it? Yeah, I don't agree with that. Makes no sense to me.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I don't understand this. Apple made the hardware and software, why can't they NOT allow anyone else to have a payment system on it? So Curve gets the benefit of a HUGE company/hardware/software without footing the bill for all of it? Yeah, I don't agree with that. Makes no sense to me.

Because, I, the consumer, own my iPhone, and I, the owner, should decide if I want a third-party of not to use my hardware.

As far as I'm concerned, Apple relinquished control the moment they sold me the device.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Then get an android instead of destroying iOS. Simple solution

I have to agree with this statement. I have an Android phone and an iPad. I like both of them for different reasons, but if you really like to mess around with your phone and you want a lot of options for customization and services get an Android phone. Apple keeps the iPhone ecosystem closed off for a reason. They want to control the experience.

I support Apple's strategy to control the experience with their products. I joke about the EU forcing Apple to run Android on their iPhone someday, but that's basically what the EU wants to do to the iPhone.

 

[hans1972]

I was agreeing with you up until this part. Businesses should absolutely not have nearly as much freedom as actual people.

Both can have enormous amount of freedom even though humans can have more freedom.

And when it comes to product design, actual people should have almost no freedom in deciding what others should do, including companies.

 

[tmarsden]

Android has its market share because I can literally go into Walmart and buy a brand new android for $20.

Plz tell me what iPhone can he had for $20

There’s a reason why the best selling android phones are not pixels or galaxy s24 it’s the budget devices.

Android is only popular because it was the cheapest and easiest way to get a smartphone. Not because it is good.

And to answer your question , I own a z flip and s22 so I use android regularly and it’s inferior than iOS ecosystem.

You're focused on the low end phones but take those away and Android still has a MUCH larger market share than iOS... simply because it's illegal to run iOS on non Apple hardware. It's a violation of the iOS EULA. Android has the market share that is does because you're not locked into a single hardware vendor. Plain and simple. iOS market share would explode overnight if they removed the hardware restriction from the EULA.

 

[Octavius8]

As it is is almost a gimmick. In my other phone, an Android, I can use NFC to access my building and office, though it does not work on the more secure areas where an encrypter card is required. With my iphone I can pay, which is super nice, but why am I being restricted to use the full capabilities of my Iphone just because Apple is greedy?.
NFC should be open unless the country regulation require it.

 

[cigz]

Apple tries to prioritize the user experience. By restricting NFC, they can ensure all cards are located in one reliable place - the wallet app accessed by a double-click of the side-button.

With NFC opened up, banks can pull their card from Apple Pay and force the user to open their app to access the card. They save on fees and you lose on convenience by not having all your cards in one place anymore.

Exactly, I'm from Europe and this change is something I'm not happy about.
Whenever I see someone with android phone pay with it I'm pissed.
They unlock the phone, search for the banking app, unlock the app, find the option to pay with the phone and finally they're able to pay like... just bring a physical CC with you and pay with it, that would be way too faster.

I know there's google pay or whatever it's called but I've seen like 1/10 of people using it.

As soon as my bank decides to get rid of Apple Pay, I'm moving to another bank.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

And when it comes to product design, actual people should have almost no freedom in deciding what others should do, including companies

This isn't about the design of the product though, this is about artificially limiting the capabilities of the device I bought. It would be like the EU mandating that only some software can use Bluetooth for some arbitrary reason.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Both can have enormous amount of freedom even though humans can have more freedom.

And when it comes to product design, actual people should have almost no freedom in deciding what others should do, including companies.

..and on the use side, companies should have almost no freedom in deciding what others do, corporations or individuals.