EU Spares Apple Maps and Apple Ads

[Zenman12]

Gah. Lighting lasted a decade, from the time Lighting was originally introduced to when Apple stopped using it on their phones.
Also, USB type C is not a EU product, it’s American

USB-C - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)

Lighting came out two years prior to USB-C. I am pretty sure the Apple engineers who made Lighting also worked on USB-C

So Apple used Lighting on their Phones from 2012 to 2022. They moved to USB-C in 2023. That’s ten years or a decade.

Oh “next decade” referring to just a decade, not meaning generational.

Got it.

We’re not talking who made it. But wasn’t for iPhone devices. If you’re implying it just happened by happenstance because engineers were working on it, we don’t agree. Apple was fighting to keep lightning because they didn’t want to make the switch. They were forced- compelled.

Apple is going to war with Europe to protect the iPhone's Lightning cable

The EU has been trying to make all smartphone producers use the same charging ports for over ten years, but Apple has always held out.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Zenman12]

Do you? Might wanna vacation in Europe and see how it goes.

Most parts have become a little dicey to say the least and makes US look like a unified architecture, well oiled machine.

“US” “well-oiled machine” go together like water and oil. Grass is always greener, as they say.

 

[The_Gream]

Oh “next decade” referring to just a decade, not meaning generational.

Got it.

I didn’t say it was a EU product. The EU
compelled Apple to switch and the “Brussels effect” made it global.

If you’re implying it just happened by happenstance because engineers were working on it, we don’t agree. Apple was fighting to keep lightning because they didn’t want to make the switch. They were forced- compelled.

Apple is going to war with Europe to protect the iPhone's Lightning cable

The EU has been trying to make all smartphone producers use the same charging ports for over ten years, but Apple has always held out.

www.businessinsider.com

We will have to disagree about Apple being forced.

Also, Apple wasn’t fighting about keeping Lighting, they where fighting the EU, because the EU law makes it very unlikely for innovation to take place now on the USB-port types.

Let’s say the USB group wanted to develop USB type D, which would be far superior to USB-C. It wouldn’t be possible under the law, as it would require every vendor to pretty much change to the new port type in like a year or two, which isn’t feasible.

Edit: yes next decade, I should have probably been more clear about that in the original post.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Bad decision, but I know most of y’all hate the EU for forcing Apple to do good things.

Hopefully that isn’t the case here, unless you REALLY love Apple platforms getting riddled with ads

What ads? And how would you know they’re served from Apple?

You know… a few years back, Facebook paid people to install a VPN… all so they could see *all* of your activity and target ads at you. Apple banned them for this and removed that app. But what’s going to stop them from repeating the same practice on a 3rd party App Store? Who is there to protect *you* from predatory app developers?

 

[Jamie0003]

What ads? And how would you know they’re served from Apple?

You know… a few years back, Facebook paid people to install a VPN… all so they could see *all* of your activity and target ads at you. Apple banned them for this and removed that app. But what’s going to stop them from repeating the same practice on a 3rd party App Store? Who is there to protect *you* from predatory app developers?

Erm….

Ads are coming to Apple Maps in 2026

There are many reasons to prefer Apple Maps to vastly more successful Google Maps, but reportedly the lure of advertising revenue has finally made Apple decide to remove one of them.

appleinsider.com

Apple to Show More Ads in App Store Starting in March

In an email to developers this week, Apple indicated that it will begin showing additional ads in App Store search results starting Tuesday, March 3. The extra ads will first appear in the App Store in the U.K. and Japan, followed by other markets like the U.S. by the end of March, according to...

www.macrumors.com

Apple Further Expanding Into Ads, Now Directly Selling Ads in News App

Apple has started directly selling ads shown in the Apple News app, according to Axios. The report said that Apple News publishers will receive a 70% cut of the revenue from ads sold by Apple within their articles, and added that publishers will continue to receive 100% of the revenue from...

www.macrumors.com

Not Apple, because they’re pulling all the same stuff, and being the gatekeepers of their own platform, nobody can stop them. Which is exactly why the EU should call them out on it

 

[repoman016]

I’m new.
+Love Liquid Glass and know you can turn it off/tone it down
+Prefer iOS 26 over iOS 18.
+Think Apple is greedy but has some good things going for it.
+Think the EU has been a benefit globally.

I go against the flow. What can I say?

Please share how to turn liquid glass off and I will be very greatful

 

[ForkHandles]

Do you? Might wanna vacation in Europe and see how it goes.

Most parts have become a little dicey to say the least and makes US look like a unified architecture, well oiled machine.

Hee Hee 😂😆🤣 Hee Hee 😂😆🤣 Hee Hee 😂😆🤣.

Tell me you’ve never been to Europe without saying you’ve never been to Europe

 

[riverguide]

What I wanna know is, why has t the EU gone after AC/DC power outlet types.

AC power plugs and sockets - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What’s this, I have to have adapters as I move around different parts of the EU?

Yes, you do. AC is regulated by each EU member country separately. I personally never had a problem with getting and taking adapters. That is a much smaller logistical burden than having to replace trillions of outlets and cables, I would assume.

 

[thadoggfather]

Hee Hee 😂😆🤣 Hee Hee 😂😆🤣 Hee Hee 😂😆🤣.

Tell me you’ve never been to Europe without saying you’ve never been to Europe

Globalist puppet masters make not for a good time.

Not saying we don't have way too many of those folks calling the shots herrr in Merika or our hearty portion of problems but.. man.

Lot of places appear unrecognizable due to policies which aren't agreeable with the interests or well being of its citizens.

 

[ForkHandles]

Globalist puppet masters make not for a good time.

Not saying we don't have way too many of those folks calling the shots herrr in Merika or our hearty portion of problems but.. man.

Lot of places appear unrecognizable due to policies which aren't agreeable with the interests or well being of its citizens.

That looks like a tasty word salad. I think i’d have to know what you mean in order to understand what you have written.

 

[thadoggfather]

That looks like a tasty word salad. I think i’d have to know what you mean in order to understand what you have written.

It means I'd rather get into a nonsensical 'debate' with some people angry at the current thing until they forget and place new top priority on the next current thing with no recognition of the previous, or theatre kids pretending they're storming the beach of Normandy or 'saving democracy' for posting silly things on Bluesky, than be gang something'd or knifed just for taking polaroids of Big Ben.

If sheltered Tom Cruise's 35 million pound penthouse isn't good enough for him, I think I might not adjust too well either.

It of course depends where in Europe we are talking about, but as a trend, I'll take the freak show over here over the freak show over there any day.

One is incredibly annoying and still quite concerning trajectory wise, the other can be unavoidably existentially threatening for merely existing location dependent.

Europe has largely fallen*

 

[ForkHandles]

It means I'd rather get into a nonsensical 'debate' with some people angry at the current thing until they forget and place new top priority on the next current thing with no recognition of the previous, or theatre kids pretending they're storming the beach of Normandy or 'saving democracy' for posting silly things on Bluesky, than be gang something'd or knifed just for taking polaroids of Big Ben.

If sheltered Tom Cruise's 35 million pound penthouse isn't good enough for him, I think I might not adjust too well either.

It of course depends where in Europe we are talking about, but as a trend, I'll take the freak show over here over the freak show over there any day.

One is incredibly annoying and quite concerning, the other can be existential location dependent.

So I asked chatGPT what your first sentence meant, it said

The speaker is saying they’d rather deal with pointless online arguments and performative social media activism than risk being physically attacked while doing something harmless like taking photos.

Is that what you meant?

London is one of the safest capitals in the world. Certainly safer than every American city around the same size.

I think the people you trust for your news are lying to you, they treating you like a fool.

 

[cjsuk]

Oh “next decade” referring to just a decade, not meaning generational.

Got it.

We’re not talking who made it. But wasn’t for iPhone devices. If you’re implying it just happened by happenstance because engineers were working on it, we don’t agree. Apple was fighting to keep lightning because they didn’t want to make the switch. They were forced- compelled.

Apple is going to war with Europe to protect the iPhone's Lightning cable

The EU has been trying to make all smartphone producers use the same charging ports for over ten years, but Apple has always held out.

www.businessinsider.com

This is a load of horse excrement.

Apple were on the USB standards committee and were one of the first vendors on the market with proper USB-C support. They didn't do the iPhone because of exactly what they said: "there's a ton of lightning accessories on the market".

Go look at a PC, particularly a desktop, these days and checked the USB-C provision. You're lucky if you get a half decent hole in any of them today. And still on my £4000 Dell Precision 5690, not all ports are equal unlike a macbook...

 

[thadoggfather]

So I asked chatGPT what your first sentence meant, it said

The speaker is saying they’d rather deal with pointless online arguments and performative social media activism than risk being physically attacked while doing something harmless like taking photos.

Is that what you meant?

London is one of the safest capitals in the world. Certainly safer than every American city around the same size.

I think the people you trust for your news are lying to you, they treating you like a fool.

I won’t be vacationing in downtown Minneapolis any time soon but I also didn’t have any desire to.

London on the other hand, would like to go. If not for it not being the London I visited as a kid.

Different strokes / thrills I suppose

 

[cjsuk]

So I asked chatGPT what your first sentence meant, it said

The speaker is saying they’d rather deal with pointless online arguments and performative social media activism than risk being physically attacked while doing something harmless like taking photos.

Is that what you meant?

London is one of the safest capitals in the world. Certainly safer than every American city around the same size.

I think the people you trust for your news are lying to you, they treating you like a fool.

I live in London and have travelled to many US, European and hooky as **** capitals. London is by far the safest place I've been. Zero issues in half a century.

 

[thadoggfather]

This is a load of horse excrement.

Apple were on the USB standards committee and were one of the first vendors on the market with proper USB-C support. They didn't do the iPhone because of exactly what they said: "there's a ton of lightning accessories on the market".

Go look at a PC, particularly a desktop, these days and checked the USB-C provision. You're lucky if you get a half decent hole in any of them today. And still on my £4000 Dell Precision 5690, not all ports are equal unlike a macbook...

We do have human excrement in SF. Loads. That much is true.
Not a fan of that. We even have poop tracking apps. I'm not saying everywhere here is bougie but it's a big land.

I dont know where I stand on the USB-C iPhone debate actually.

USB-C significantly better than lightning, and lightning was bound to be obsoleted since it was unnecessarily proprietary and licensing fees kept (certified) cable prices sky high. Also for its time, lightning was quite good. Before USB-C existed, there was nothing like lightning (going into the port in either orientation was a novelty)

On the other hand, when I think of 'cutting edge technology,' EU is not exactly top of mind 😛

Can both parties be wrong for different reasons?

I live in London and have travelled to many US, European and hooky as **** capitals. London is by far the safest place I've been. Zero issues in half a century.

Pull your ear if you were put up to saying this. Don't you guys not have free speech?
Like, won't an unmarked van pull up V for Vendetta style if you even slightly dissent?
(I understand you may not be in a position to be able to respond to this)

Has anyone here been jailed for saying F orange Hitler?
Could anyone reasonably argue with a straight face we have any shortage of that?

And can't you not even buy a pointed kitchen cutlery under a certain age, you know, to cut meat with?
That seems rather odd for such a supposed safe place...

I guess I ought to start chilling in Plato's cave and tuning into the BBC to educate myself. They're the real ones.

pardon my tasty word salad


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I am legitimately envious of the restrictions you guys put in your food. It's terrifying what we got in ours. Can't even read or pronounce most of it assuming we're even afforded the privilege to know that it's in there.

 

[riverguide]

It is always amusing to me to see people complain about Apple, but yet they continue to buy Apple Products, and are likely typing these angry messages about Apple...from an Apple product.

One does not necessarily exclude the other. I did not just buy an Apple product I need for work, for communication, and for fun projects — I invested in it, meaning I plan to use it for years. Yes, there is complaining and anger around here. But there is nothing wrong with being critical, trying to hold a company accountable that charges a lot for hardware which you can only use with their software. There is nothing wrong with wanting Apple to be better and offer the same quality with their software again you experienced when you made that initial investment some or more years ago.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Translation: "we don't see enough money in it for us to pursue any action. At the moment."

translation "we confined the law within certain terms , which do not apply here, just like many other institutions"

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

One does not necessarily exclude the other. I did not just buy an Apple product I need for work, for communication, and for fun projects — I invested in it, meaning I plan to use it for years. Yes, there is complaining and anger around here. But there is nothing wrong with being critical, trying to hold a company accountable that charges a lot for hardware which you can only use with their software. There is nothing wrong with wanting Apple to be better and offer the same quality with their software again you experienced when you made that initial investment some or more years ago.

but stockholm syndrome sure is more comfy

 

[Plutonius]

Google Maps is not spared, it must comply with the DMA.

I wonder if the EU will require Google to allow everyone else to edit / change the maps ?

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

One does not necessarily exclude the other. I did not just buy an Apple product I need for work, for communication, and for fun projects — I invested in it, meaning I plan to use it for years. Yes, there is complaining and anger around here. But there is nothing wrong with being critical, trying to hold a company accountable that charges a lot for hardware which you can only use with their software. There is nothing wrong with wanting Apple to be better and offer the same quality with their software again you experienced when you made that initial investment some or more years ago.

Apple is expensive, yes but that has been the case for years. The main thing I find questionable is the lack of user serviceability, however that has also been the case for many years at this point to where its just normal. The main reason why I went with Apple, was because I was growing tired of Windows and large form factor Tower PCs. I tried Linux, and no matter how much I tried to like it - it always was finicky and not easy for me to use.

 

[vantelimus]

It is interesting that the usual EU-booster suspects are silent. One would expect to see great support for this decision by the EU. It makes one think that hurting Apple instead of supporting the EU was the point all along.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

The EU is rules-driven. This decision is not "sparing Apple Maps" as stated in the headline, it is just an application of the rules. End of discussion.

Some people like to endlessly criticise the EU, but really everything is rather straightforward ... follow the rules.

Not really. The iPad does not meet the thresholds defined for gatekeeper devices, but it was made one anyway because Vestager wanted it to be. And, importantly, the DMA includes a clause that says that decisions can be made counter to the letter of the DMA if the regulator wants to. With Vestager gone, they’re more likely to align with the rules, but that clause IS still there and they could have used it in this case.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

What I wanna know is, why has t the EU gone after AC/DC power outlet types.

AC power plugs and sockets - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What’s this, I have to have adapters as I move around different parts of the EU?

Because they were only able to make a decision regarding USB-C AFTER Big Tech created USB-C. Since Big Tech isn’t interested in going after the outlet types, that would have to be driven by some tech company in the EU. Since there aren’t any, not going to happen.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I don’t recall that. Just them refusing until the EU put their foot down. It’s not the end of the decade either. USB c started in 2023 for 15.

Sept 2012 was when they said it. The end of Year One of Lightning was 2013. By process of addition, the end of Year 10 was Sept 2022. So, if they had kept with Lightning in 2023 (which they could have because the EU change wasn’t required until 2024) then that would have been year 11. But of course there WASN’T a Year 11 of Lightning because they’d already said that Lightning would only be the connector for the next decade.

There are articles out there, “WHAT WILL APPLE DO WITH iPHONE 15!” It’s obvious what they’d do and why.