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When Craig Federighi admitted that the state of malware on MacOS was unacceptable, the security communication said “duh”. If iOS were open like MacOS it would probably be as bad as MacOS.

Most people don’t run AV on MacOS due to a false sense of security. I have to run battery sucking AV on a company issued phone. No thanks.
The malware on MacOS green because the market became larger and a bigger target, not because of the open nature of MacOS.

Its pretty easy to scan an APK for malware.
 
I for one do not look forward to the future of every company on earth merging into one and charging sky high prices for everything just because a generation refused to say enough is enough.
Preventing mergers that reduce competition is certainly one area where antitrust units need to do their job more often.
 
The malware on MacOS green because the market became larger and a bigger target, not because of the open nature of MacOS.

Its pretty easy to scan an APK for malware.
MacOS is a fraction of the iOS user base. Designed by the same company. MacOS malware is unacceptable (Craig’s words not mine). When Apple says opening up iOS would create a security nightmare for them, they are probably right.
 
I for one do not look forward to the future of every company on earth merging into one and charging sky high prices for everything just because a generation refused to say enough is enough.
I for one do not look forward to the future of every company on earth merging into one government and charging sky high taxes for everything just because a generation refused to say enough is enough.
 
Again, does the free market not take care of that problem?
It didn’t prevent Facebook from becoming Facebook or Google becoming Google. It certainly hasn’t addressed the huge inequalities we see in the US healthcare system that are not present in EU state-based systems free at the point of use and paid for in taxes.
 
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It didn’t prevent Facebook from becoming Facebook or Google becoming Google. It certainly hasn’t addressed the huge inequalities we see in the US healthcare system that are not present in EU state-based systems free at the point of use and paid for in taxes.
You didn’t seriously compare the US healthcare system to a free market, did you?

It took care of Sears, formerly the world’s largest retailer. The free market isn’t to prevent companies from getting big. It presents the opportunity for others to take them down if they provide outcomes more consumers are willing to pay for instead.
 
It's always funny to hear Americans talking about payment security, especially ranting about the EU.
Chip cards (especially Chip and Pin systems) have been used in Europe for decades while the US had it for merely a decade. Magnetic stripes have been known to be insecure for a long time. Just use a chip and pin card when you pay if security matters to you.
If Apple cannot provide a secure API for interacting with the NFC chip in their OS, that's not really the fault of the EU.
Forcing people to use the Apple Pay service to be able to pay using their phone is just against competition, a basic rule of freedom.
By the way, having only one service also means that the day Apple Pay has a global issue, no Apple iPhone user can pay with their phone any more. If you have the choice to pay with any app, you just switch to Paypal/your bank/whatever payment option you like.
 
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It didn’t prevent Facebook from becoming Facebook or Google becoming Google. It certainly hasn’t addressed the huge inequalities we see in the US healthcare system that are not present in EU state-based systems free at the point of use and paid for in taxes.
What's the problem with Facebook and Google? Is it something that this kind of legislation would fix that the free market wouldn't fix better or faster? And also, US healthcare is already under government control, so that argument doesn't really add favor to giving the government more control over our tech companies if they're doing so horribly with healthcare.
 
What's the problem with Facebook and Google? Is it something that this kind of legislation would fix that the free market wouldn't fix better or faster?
Google and Facebook are both actively engaging in practices to limit competition that would naturally provide a free market response. Google through contracts with their competitors to install Google Play Services across the majority of the market outside of China. Facebook through the acquisition of their major competition and loss leader dominance of emerging markets to prevent potential competition from gaining a foothold.

And also, US healthcare is already under government control, so that argument doesn't really add favor to giving the government more control over our tech companies if they're doing so horribly with healthcare.
US Healthcare isn't anywhere close to being under government control.
 
You didn’t seriously compare the US healthcare system to a free market, did you?

It took care of Sears, formerly the world’s largest retailer. The free market isn’t to prevent companies from getting big. It presents the opportunity for others to take them down if they provide outcomes more consumers are willing to pay for instead.
You mean like being able to set up my own app outlet targeting the customers of popular mobile device the iPhone?
 
You mean like being able to set up my own app outlet targeting the customers of popular mobile device the iPhone?
If you’re going to beg the question by presuming that your desire to participate in the app market on someone else’s IP is “free market,” then you probably haven’t thought through what a “free market” is.
 
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You're absolutely right that it is regulated. But I don't think that was what was implied in the post that I responded to. :)
Depends on what “government control” is. It’s not single payer, but it’s certainly not a free market, either. When an entity can define what insurance coverage is mandated or who can even practice in the first place, there’s substantial control.

Maybe he incorrectly meant something like single payer, but that seems unlikely.
 
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I for one do not look forward to the future of every company on earth merging into one and charging sky high prices for everything just because a generation refused to say enough is enough.
somebody always controls what ever is determined to be the "standard". Microsoft was able to become the behemoth because they were the "standard" in a world of generic components.
And HBR notes that the nature of business is eventual consolidation; it is somewhat unavoidable.
 
It didn’t prevent Facebook from becoming Facebook or Google becoming Google. It certainly hasn’t addressed the huge inequalities we see in the US healthcare system that are not present in EU state-based systems free at the point of use and paid for in taxes.
Neither Facebook nor Google entered into a marketplace that was without significant competition. Google entered a world that had planty of search engines. But they were able to create a better search engine. And FB was entering a marketplace dominated by MySpace et al.
The question is,"Should a marketplace allow for winners and losers?" Your argument suggests that all outcomes should exist within a narrow range homogeniety; nothing big winners nor big losers.
 
Neither Facebook nor Google entered into a marketplace that was without significant competition. Google entered a world that had planty of search engines. But they were able to create a better search engine. And FB was entering a marketplace dominated by MySpace et al.
The question is,"Should a marketplace allow for winners and losers?" Your argument suggests that all outcomes should exist within a narrow range homogeniety; nothing big winners nor big losers.
Google made a better product but what was Facebook's excuse?
 
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If you’re going to beg the question by presuming that your desire to participate in the app market on someone else’s IP is “free market,” then you probably haven’t thought through what a “free market” is.
Under English law the crown ultimately holds interest of all land.

If I want to set up a rival store to the supermarket giants I am able to do so, so long as I abide by the laws within that domain, In this case the British Isles. That is the open market.

Google ultimately are the gatekeepers of Android.

If I want to develop my own Android app and sell it I can do so without paying Google a penny if I so wish, although my marketing and exposure would be quite limited. This is the open market.

Apple are the gatekeepers of iOS.

If I want to develop an iOS app and sell it I have to do so via Apple's storefront. I cannot do so via my own individual business model. This is not an open market.
 
Under English law the crown ultimately holds interest of all land.

If I want to set up a rival store to the supermarket giants I am able to do so, so long as I abide by the laws within that domain, In this case the British Isles. That is the open market.

Google ultimately are the gatekeepers of Android.

If I want to develop my own Android app and sell it I can do so without paying Google a penny if I so wish, although my marketing and exposure would be quite limited. This is the open market.

Apple are the gatekeepers of iOS.

If I want to develop an iOS app and sell it I have to do so via Apple's storefront. I cannot do so via my own individual business model. This is not an open market.
You‘re conflating “open market” with “free market.” Stores exist in a free market, but that doesn’t mean they’re open such that you can roll in and sell your stuff there on your terms. Nor can you just open up a Nike store just because you want to.
 
You‘re conflating “open market” with “free market.” Stores exist in a free market, but that doesn’t mean they’re open such that you can roll in and sell your stuff there on your terms. Nor can you just open up a Nike store just because you want to.
Well you actually can sell Nike clothes with zero Nike affiliation orherwise, and you probably can (with some back and forth) open a franchise store. You can also use Nike track shoes and Adidas tracksuit without Nike saying that it is "unsafe" to use that combination.

Your excuse for Apple is yet another slippery lawyery excuse to shaft customer and dev choice and competition.
 
Well you actually can sell Nike clothes with zero Nike affiliation orherwise, and you probably can (with some back and forth) open a franchise store. You can also use Nike track shoes and Adidas tracksuit without Nike saying that it is "unsafe" to use that combination.

Your excuse for Apple is yet another slippery lawyery excuse to shaft customer and dev choice and competition.
The fact remains that there is no good, compelling reason for the phone software marketplace to not be as open as it is for desktop computers. Both sets of devices perform very similar tasks and run from the same code. At this point the differences are semantic.

Opening up the marketplace for software might also make the general public a little bit more aware of the fact that they carry a computer in their pocket: it’s capable of a lot more than social media and should be treated as a tool, not a master.

It should really be up to the end user to ensure their device is secure and not a corporate overlord. Treating the customers like sheep that need to be herded does them no favours. Arguments against government legislation but in favour of singular corporate control make no sense because governments are basically just corporations in all but name except that we have an open market for changing the government in the form of democracy.

We need a 3rd party like the IEEE to come up with an E2E messaging standard that is open like email and therefore cross-platform without holders needing to make a mess of sharing API’s.

And there are frankly no good reasons for having 3rd party replacements for a browser and podcast app but not the app you pay for your groceries with.
 
The fact remains that there is no good, compelling reason for the phone software marketplace to not be as open as it is for desktop computers. Both sets of devices perform very similar tasks and run from the same code. At this point the differences are semantic.

Opening up the marketplace for software might also make the general public a little bit more aware of the fact that they carry a computer in their pocket: it’s capable of a lot more than social media and should be treated as a tool, not a master.

It should really be up to the end user to ensure their device is secure and not a corporate overlord. Treating the customers like sheep that need to be herded does them no favours. Arguments against government legislation but in favour of singular corporate control make no sense because governments are basically just corporations in all but name except that we have an open market for changing the government in the form of democracy.

We need a 3rd party like the IEEE to come up with an E2E messaging standard that is open like email and therefore cross-platform without holders needing to make a mess of sharing API’s.

And there are frankly no good reasons for having 3rd party replacements for a browser and podcast app but not the app you pay for your groceries with.
And not just browsers and podcasts!
NFC should be accessible by ANY AND ALL parties to make apps and/or add their cards. This is often draconian towards the businesses as they (by accepting) a certain payment method have to pay a % off it, and thus Apple is in the same way shafting the business. Accept ApplePay, or get like 30-50% less customers.
The same goes for the moronic Lightening standard as well as the Watch - now do tell, what monumental technological hinder is there for the Watch (which is by all means a stand-alone "smartphone-like" device that can make calls) to be bundled with iPhone?
And how about this - now everyone knows Apple gouges a huge fee off every app and in-app purchase. But how about if someone DOES play by Apple rules, DOES pay that price, DOES submit to every demand Apple puts forth for an app - only to be removed from the App Store because the app does something similar to a bundled Apple app, but better, but is basically shut out because it|s direct competition to it.

Now bear in mind my 2022 Android phone came with one "phone" app, I can, and have for the fun of it, tried Google's own phone app. Imagine someone trying to submit an alternative phone, iMessage, or FaceTime app to the App Store. This just goes to show how from every angle possible Apple just worries about staying on top by kicking others off the top.
 
The fact remains that there is no good, compelling reason for the phone software marketplace to not be as open as it is for desktop computers. Both sets of devices perform very similar tasks and run from the same code. At this point the differences are semantic.
That's not really a fact. A good, compelling argument can be made that the old desktop security model is a failure that has cost us trillions of dollars.

It should really be up to the end user to ensure their device is secure and not a corporate overlord.
That's ridiculous. Some of us want to spend our time doing more that worrying about our tech. We pay Apple for its expertise on the stuff we don't want to deal with.
 
That's not really a fact. A good, compelling argument can be made that the old desktop security model is a failure that has cost us trillions of dollars.


That's ridiculous. Some of us want to spend our time doing more that worrying about our tech. We pay Apple for its expertise on the stuff we don't want to deal with.
Learning a new skill > paying someone to do the job for you. Taking time to learn how your car works and how to fix it is not only a rewarding endeavour but can save you a lot of money or indeed make it if you also fix others cars for them.

The desktop security model has cost us trillions because people couldn’t be bothered to learn how they operate. I have ran Windows for 30 years alongside Mac OS. I have never bothered with antivirus and have never had a security breach because I bothered to learn how to my computer works and how best to avoid security issues in the first place.

You still avoid people with coughs and sneezes even after a Flu shot.
 
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