ugahairydawgs
macrumors 68040
Apple isn't a non-profit. Their executive team regularly doing things that are a net negative for the company would be a fireable offense.
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Other European iPhone users: will you still buy iPhones?
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Apple isn't a non-profit. Their executive team regularly doing things that are a net negative for the company would be a fireable offense.
Alpha Centauri
macrumors 68000
Add to that list:
Inability to record during a ph conversation and the live messages feature.
Ill still stick to Apple as those, as well as the features you mention, just simply aren’t deal breakers for my use case.
In the EU it isn’t just Apple having issues. The GDPR rules confronts everyone with every single cookie option for visiting a web page. You know what every now does? They blindly "accept all" every single time and out of pure frustration.
In Germany Mercedes has frontals cameras in their cars that cannot be activated to record onto external media as designed. It’s offered however as an activation across the pond in the UK.
Dirk Pieters
macrumors 6502a
Exactly.
And some of that data needs to be tracked. Like buying an app, or starting a subscription in an app. That needs to be done if a user wants to restore a purchase on another device.
It’s a completely different business plan from giving mail, a browser, a mobile os, a video platform, etc for free because they’re honey pots for user data which is then sold.
Le_Chiffre
macrumors 6502
Exactly and they make money on customers buying hardware and services. A lot of money.
If you want privacy the only option is the iPhone. 😊
Le_Chiffre
macrumors 6502
Atleast you agree that Apple safeguards their users privacy. 😂
You do realize there are apps in the App Store that even blocks in-app trackers…or guess you don’t.
Other companies can try, Google, meta etc. personally I don’t use any of their apps. So best of luck with that. 🤣
Who knows? The balance sheet Ofcourse. Meta lost 8% of their revenues that year.
there's a difference between Apple shielding their practices, and shielding user's privacy. Facebook will no doubt have a workaround, and even if you aren't on their apps, they can still track you. But keep twisting my argument so you can fill the whole page with a screenshot that may or may not rebuke my points, and conveniently trim off counter points.
Le_Chiffre
macrumors 6502
Shielding their users is giving them privacy. 😂
You didn’t read where I explained there are apps on the App Store that block in app trackers or that Apple shielding their users cost facebook 8% of their yearly revenue, so that does mean they were no longer able to track iPhone users.
The screenshots actually does rebuke what you claim, you just need to skim the title, instead of moving the goal posts.
But hey enjoy your Android, it’s obvious you don’t care about personal privacy.
Good luck with that.
I do care about privacy, I just am aware that apple's privacy isn't all that.
I'm going to ignore you now as it's obvious that you will never ever admit apple isn't perfect.
Here's a screenshot without the full picture that meets your evidential specs
Attachments
I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up. I found a couple articles that said that earlier this year the case after four years was on the verge of being dismissed because there were issues with the plaintiffs' order. I'm not clear on exactly what the issues were but it sounded like maybe it was wishy washy with too many imprecise terms. "Out of abundance of caution" the judge gave them an extra month as a Hail Mary to finally address the issues and re-file, but he said he was doubtful they'd be able to fix the issues, so it sounds like the issues were more than just a technicality. I don't know what happened after the 30 days, but I suspect it was dropped.
I also found a couple Reddit threads talking about it. People have a lot to say about the plaintiff's claims.
All links below.
After reading up on this for about half an hour, my conclusion for now is it's just a claim. Apple stakes their reputation on privacy and they're a huge company, so there are many many people who will stand to gain from bringing their fault to light (lawyers, media, competitors, haters, etc). So if the claim has actual merit, I'll trust that it will become very public eventually and inevitably.
Apple gets a partial win in iPhone user privacy lawsuit, but not on merit
Apple has secured a partial win in a lawsuit claiming it violated privacy laws in California, but the ruling came down to technicalities and sloppy preparation rather than on merit.
Apple beats claims it violates California privacy laws by collecting user data - MacTech.com
Apple has beaten claims that it violated California privacy by collecting user data from its in-house apps, such as the App Store or Apple Music, despite users thinking that they’d opted out of such collecting, reports Bloomberg Law. Judge Edward J. Davila granted the tech giant’s motion to dismi
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My argument is that Apple tracks you, maybe not as much as Google/Meta etc, but as soon as you visit websites through google, or with facebook logins etc then they track you. Not saying it's right. I look to reddit for troubleshooting, not facts. Apple's closed source software means it's probably impossible to prove/disprove.I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up. I found a couple articles that said that earlier this year the case after four years was on the verge of being dismissed because there were issues with the plaintiffs' order. I'm not clear on exactly what the issues were but it sounded like maybe it was wishy washy with too many imprecise terms. "Out of abundance of caution" the judge gave them an extra month as a Hail Mary to finally address the issues and re-file, but he said he was doubtful they'd be able to fix the issues, so it sounds like the issues were more than just a technicality. I don't know what happened after the 30 days, but I suspect it was dropped.
I also found a couple Reddit threads talking about it. People have a lot to say about the plaintiff's claims.
All links below.
After reading up on this for about half an hour, my conclusion for now is it's just a claim. Apple stakes their reputation on privacy and they're a huge company, so there are many many people who will stand to gain from bringing their fault to light (lawyers, media, competitors, haters, etc). So if the claim has actual merit, I'll trust that it will become very public eventually and inevitably.
Apple gets a partial win in iPhone user privacy lawsuit, but not on merit
Apple has secured a partial win in a lawsuit claiming it violated privacy laws in California, but the ruling came down to technicalities and sloppy preparation rather than on merit.appleinsider.com
Apple beats claims it violates California privacy laws by collecting user data - MacTech.com
Apple has beaten claims that it violated California privacy by collecting user data from its in-house apps, such as the App Store or Apple Music, despite users thinking that they’d opted out of such collecting, reports Bloomberg Law. Judge Edward J. Davila granted the tech giant’s motion to dismi
I think everyone is set in their bubbles, so I will let you all believe Apple doesn't track you.
Yes, Reddit, MacRumors, and any forum is for suggestions--different perspectives, where to find facts, etc--but it's up to the individual to go to the actual sources for facts and come to their own conclusions with as little bias as possible.
Not everyone is entrenched in allegiances. I have my perspectives of course, but I don't think I have any allegiance to Apple or any company, so I believe I'm open to convincing (that's why I took the time to read up on the case you mentioned). But I won't align myself with an accusation unless it has solid factual support (which the case didn't show), and it would need to outweigh any evidence on the other side. My default is "innocent until proven guilty" which sometimes gets interpreted here as being an Apple defender, even though I "defend" many different companies, organizations, and individuals, as well as criticize Apple on occasion. It's just I find there's a lot of insufficient critical thought and factless debate on this forum, so any time I challenge someone they suspect I'm "on the other side". Also note that believing in innocence doesn't mean I trust Apple more than I need to. Everything is tentative so I trust companies as minimally as possible. Based on business model and track record, Apple just seems to be the best bet at the moment.
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Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
I think being in the UK we are exempt from the EU interference. However, there is no alternative for me so I would continue to buy apple devices regardless.
danpass
macrumors 68030
Elite 1% .... I'll take it.This message was brought to you by big tech and the elite 1%.
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the future
macrumors 68040
Wrong.
Goggle, as another „gatekeeper“, has the exact same AI-related problem in the EU.
Arstechnica
GDPR is solely on websites. The EU ruled they shouldn't be collecting cookies at all and they all had a whinge. So the EU settled on websites asking permission instead. That is to say, websites can if they so choose not use cookies and skip the GDPR popup entirely. Aim ire accordingly.
I don't even know what "features" we don't have in the EU, nor do I care. When Craig mentioned something not being available in the EU, I just thought to myself "good, whatever." I simply don't care about these new features and I'd rather have EU bureaucracy keeping Apple in check, because otherwise I'd still be using Lightning to charge half of my ecosystem, so thanks EU parliament for sorting that one out.
It is absolutely wild to me that anyone sides with a global megacorporation in anything.
The EU is highly bureaucratic, yes, but it's a form of government just like any other and it's sole purpose isn't profit, so right there is a major reason why I usually side with the EU instead of Apple. I somehow don't expect that Apple making decisions purely based on profit will be in my best interest.
With that said, the iPhone is becoming ubiquitous in Europe. Most people in my country (Croatia) use it, and it's often the latest models, as well. Talk about a change from before when Apple seemed unapproachable and most folks were using Android.
For me personally, the iPhone and basically anything Apple is a given since the Mac is non-negotiable. I use my laptop for work as I am self-employed and there really is no incentive in existence that would get me to use Windows.
You seem like you don't know how elections work. We have those in the EU and each country elects a number of representatives to the EU parliament. In fact the EU is a government level a great many people asked for directly, because countries have referendums where they decide whether to enter the EU.
It is absolutely wild to me that anyone sides with a global megacorporation in anything.
The EU is highly bureaucratic, yes, but it's a form of government just like any other and it's sole purpose isn't profit, so right there is a major reason why I usually side with the EU instead of Apple. I somehow don't expect that Apple making decisions purely based on profit will be in my best interest.
With that said, the iPhone is becoming ubiquitous in Europe. Most people in my country (Croatia) use it, and it's often the latest models, as well. Talk about a change from before when Apple seemed unapproachable and most folks were using Android.
For me personally, the iPhone and basically anything Apple is a given since the Mac is non-negotiable. I use my laptop for work as I am self-employed and there really is no incentive in existence that would get me to use Windows.
You seem like you don't know how elections work. We have those in the EU and each country elects a number of representatives to the EU parliament. In fact the EU is a government level a great many people asked for directly, because countries have referendums where they decide whether to enter the EU.
“In all of the internet, I found one thing that is questionable at best that was never concluded. That PROVES that Apple’s privacy is just like other companies! Oh. Ahh, their privacy is so bad, their privacy lapses are even private from the INTERNET!!”I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up. I found a couple articles that said that earlier this year the case after four years was on the verge of being dismissed because there were issues with the plaintiffs' order. I'm not clear on exactly what the issues were but it sounded like maybe it was wishy washy with too many imprecise terms. "Out of abundance of caution" the judge gave them an extra month as a Hail Mary to finally address the issues and re-file, but he said he was doubtful they'd be able to fix the issues, so it sounds like the issues were more than just a technicality. I don't know what happened after the 30 days, but I suspect it was dropped.
I also found a couple Reddit threads talking about it. People have a lot to say about the plaintiff's claims.
All links below.
After reading up on this for about half an hour, my conclusion for now is it's just a claim. Apple stakes their reputation on privacy and they're a huge company, so there are many many people who will stand to gain from bringing their fault to light (lawyers, media, competitors, haters, etc). So if the claim has actual merit, I'll trust that it will become very public eventually and inevitably.
Apple gets a partial win in iPhone user privacy lawsuit, but not on merit
Apple has secured a partial win in a lawsuit claiming it violated privacy laws in California, but the ruling came down to technicalities and sloppy preparation rather than on merit.
Apple beats claims it violates California privacy laws by collecting user data - MacTech.com
Apple has beaten claims that it violated California privacy by collecting user data from its in-house apps, such as the App Store or Apple Music, despite users thinking that they’d opted out of such collecting, reports Bloomberg Law. Judge Edward J. Davila granted the tech giant’s motion to dismi
danpass
macrumors 68030
"In a normal democratic country, when a ruling government or political party becomes mired in corruption and lacks transparency, voters can completely remove them from power in the next election.
The EU’s system prevents this:
- Voters cannot vote the Commission out: Commissioners are selected behind closed doors by national prime ministers via horse-trading, meaning public anger cannot touch them. [1]
- Pan-European parties are insulated: European elections are fought on a cocktail of disparate national issues. Voters in one country cannot vote to penalize a corrupt MEP or European political group operating in another country. [1]
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I don't know what point you think you're making with this. That the EU system of government has flaws?
Everybody is elected one way or another and their terms eventually end. Also, the EU is not a country, which this seems to ignore.
TheBigLevski
macrumors newbie
Well to be truthful, when Siri comes out as an AI it will be powered by Gemini which is ok to run in the EU, so that point is moot. Also you know there are features not available in the US and other parts of the world that are in the EU? Stuff like sideloading, more privacy, more choice with default apps, just to name a few.
So to sum up... Until Android stops being such a slop and unstable crap, there is not much choice for me, so I'm staying.
