Other European iPhone users: will you still buy iPhones?

[Parowdy]

The bigger issue is, that Android and iPhone are both good and awful in their own ways. Also, I really dislike Apple's plan to deeply "integrate" Siri AI into the OS. Just build APIs and make it an optional app.

It’s less that Siri got integrated into the OS, and more that they rebuild the entire file structure and let Siri access it like spotlight on crack.
That’s why extended indexing takes place even in iPhones that don’t support Apple Intelligence.
And yeah, by that logic they could just offer an API, but then again I trust Apple the most with an on-device assistant that knows about every email, every text message, every contact, every app, every file, every note, every calendar event, every PHOTO, every VIDEO and basically everything else.
If this data can be handled with security privacy in mind, Apple is currently the only contender to attempt to deliver.
How safe and secure the data is handled is still to be fully determined, but so far it seems Apple's claims have been mostly independently verified, and Apple certainly should be able to offer an API, but I don’t expect, well, third party solutions to be as reliable or secure. And I don’t know why you do.

 

[jay-A]

European users: what will you do?

If some features from Apple cannot comply, or if Apple does willfully not wish to comply with DMA/DSA, maybe it's because these features are not good for EU and its citizens. In which case I'm happy to never see them installed on my phone.

 

[TheBigLevski]

In your opinion, what makes android unstable and crap?

Apps, ecosystem, reliability, every phone having different menus and UI just a bit (does not help one bit when doing support for people), too much "new" and unreliable features, support networks, software updates, etc etc etc... I do love being able to set everything as I please, but compared to the Apple software (although lately they crap all over too with 26) I just cannot trust it to run my business on.

If I could choose I would have linux everything... even my phones yes.

And it's not just me. There is a reason why (for example) in video production, you will see maybe one or two android phones or tablets and the rest will be Apple.

 

[MarkX]

Apps, ecosystem, reliability, every phone having different menus and UI just a bit (does not help one bit when doing support for people), too much "new" and unreliable features, support networks, software updates, etc etc etc... I do love being able to set everything as I please, but compared to the Apple software (although lately they crap all over too with 26) I just cannot trust it to run my business on.

If I could choose I would have linux everything... even my phones yes.

And it's not just me. There is a reason why (for example) in video production, you will see maybe one or two android phones or tablets and the rest will be Apple.

That thinking is outdated now a days,

Android these days is every bit as stable if not more so than IOS, also, software support for the top brands of android match Apple so that no longer applies.

I do agree on app quality though, most apps look better on IOS.

I use both and switch between the two as and when I feel like it but one is not better than the other, they're more similar than they are different these days.

I like choice so either or for me

 

[TheBigLevski]

That thinking is outdated now a days,

Android these days is every bit as stable if not more so than IOS, also, software support for the top brands of android match Apple so that no longer applies.

I do agree on app quality though, most apps look better on IOS.

I use both and switch between the two as and when I feel like it but one is not better than the other, they're more similar than they are different these days.

I like choice so either or for me

Look, for me it is not outdated. I use both too, so from my experience android is still not there. And with iOS opening up in EU I tend to use my android less and less these days.

But my thinking is to each its own. If you are happy with what you got why look elsewhere...

For me, I would love to use android as the daily driver, but at least what I use it for it is just not there yet. And probably will never be there for me as long as the OS is made for a plethora of different devices.

Also Google killing their features left and right makes it so I cannot rely on android for my business and personal life either... I need stuff to work everytime the same and for many years.

 

[Ruggy]

I'm more concerned about the EU's obligation that cellphone manufactures have to sell phones that have simple replaceable batteries (if I'm correct, from 2027 on..)

Don't worry about the screaming headlines.
The actual requirements for smartphones are that parts must be available for a minimum of 7 years from first release and the machines must be repairable by third parties meaning they must offer tools and batteries to other services to do they work. Theoretically you should be able to get the parts and tools to do it yourself.
More specifically they stated-they may however provide the battery only to professional repairers if the device/battery meets strict durability and water-resistance conditions: at least 83% capacity after 500 cycles, 80% after 1,000 cycles, and IP67-level protection.--
Apple already comply with that so and they already have a network of accredited third party repair centres
The regulation is already in place and next February they will add that they can't block battery repair with software
There's nothing anywhere suggesting they will have to go back to the Nokia days where you could slide the back off.
The full original text is here if I've missed anything important.

C_202500214EN.000101.fmx.xml

 

[uacd]

Their prices are already over my psychological barrier. Used iPhones? Sure. New? Nope. Those are just phones, just like other ones. And they are very overpriced.

I don’t care about the AI slop. Less slop - better life. I can use Gemini from any device if I ever need to, not interested in Apple’s “emoji playground” stuff. What can Siri do that Gemini cannot? Siri isn’t even Siri anymore on 27, it is 90% Gemini Frankenstein. So why should I care? I go by the price, if I can get something for normal money - I get it. New Pro iPhones are simply not good enough to be called “Pro”. They lag just like medium priced Android devices, how come?

Siri is no AI by any means. If I ever ask it “to please turn OFF the ugly computations in camera” it will answer like “I am sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that”. If clanker doesn’t do what I want - I don’t need such a clanker in my life

 

[klowy79]

Honestly, I have no need or interest in all the AI slop Apple is adding. But because of their greed (massive price increase) I don't plan on buying anything for a while.

 

[Le_Chiffre]

Looks like the eu is going to bend the knee, good thing Apple finally developed a backbone.

 

[Le_Chiffre]

Look, for me it is not outdated. I use both too, so from my experience android is still not there. And with iOS opening up in EU I tend to use my android less and less these days.

But my thinking is to each its own. If you are happy with what you got why look elsewhere...

For me, I would love to use android as the daily driver, but at least what I use it for it is just not there yet. And probably will never be there for me as long as the OS is made for a plethora of different devices.

Also Google killing their features left and right makes it so I cannot rely on android for my business and personal life either... I need stuff to work everytime the same and for many years.

You are not the only one that thinks that way.

By and large in the flagship sector. If you look at China, consumers are not willing to spend on Android compared to the iPhone.

Here is the breakdown:

• iPhone 17 Pro Max: ~12.69 million units
• iPhone 17: ~11.83 million units
• iPhone 17 Pro: ~10.87 million units
• Meanwhile, the combined sales of all major Android flagship models stand at only 776,500 units.

In other words, the iPhone 17 Pro Max in China alone has outsold every major Android flagship phone combined, it’s really not even close.

Rumor is that some Chinese android oem will stop manufacturing flagship Android devices and abandon that sector completely. Due to lack of sales generated in the sector and increased ram and ssd prices.

If Apple does release a foldable iPhone in the fall that might be the final nail in the coffin for some of these Chinese Android oems.

 

[DaveS86]

I’ve been iPhone for 5 solid years coming from Android, I’m thinking about heading back to Samsung for a cycle next year until the iPhone 20 launches, just for something different for a while

 

[Reverend Benny]

I wonder hos this will affect Siri AI within the EU.

US Supreme Court just blew up EU-US Data Transfers

The US Supreme Court decided that the US Federal Trade Commission (“FTC”) may not be independent anymore – with major implications for EU-US Data Transfers.

noyb.eu

 

[Omega Mac]

Don't want AI infused OS to the point the OS no longer can operate without the AI component.

Big problem here.

 

[Omega Mac]

Apple are possibly being politically very smart here as they must have been fully aware of this challenge, so this make even more sense of not rolling out features, while this challenge was ongoing.

I wonder hos this will affect Siri AI within the EU.

US Supreme Court just blew up EU-US Data Transfers

The US Supreme Court decided that the US Federal Trade Commission (“FTC”) may not be independent anymore – with major implications for EU-US Data Transfers.

noyb.eu

It's been obvious for some time the EUSSR is being used to try and bring the world to heal via GDPR and DSA.

No surprised this is being challenged and it's great to see. Since this trick of creating "authorities" has been used for decades within the EUSSR, even individual nations, it's bypassing representative government, undermines the peoples will, usurpers and diverts sovereign powers into authority sandboxe blocs etc. etc. (which then get staffed by the apparatchiks, ooh and the more internationally independent the better!), so no loyalty to the people, it's been used to destroy nations, classic EUphemism "independent" and that's how Communism 2.0 has been created in Europe, with nice sounding words, you'll get nice free things for everyone and we're all one happy (forced) COMMUNITY, but in the end it's one one being soviet style bloc 2.0 super centralised control.

It's a huge con job.

 

[weckart]

Apple are possibly being politically very smart here as they must have been fully aware of this challenge, so this make even more sense of not rolling out features, while this challenge was ongoing.


It's been obvious for some time the EUSSR is being used to try and bring the world to heal via GDPR and DSA.

No surprised this is being challenged and it's great to see. Since this trick of creating "authorities" has been used for decades within the EUSSR, even individual nations, it's bypassing representative government, undermines the peoples will, usurpers and diverts sovereign powers into authority sandboxe blocs etc. etc. (which then get staffed by the apparatchiks, ooh and the more internationally independent the better!), so no loyalty to the people, it's been used to destroy nations, classic EUphemism "independent" and that's how Communism 2.0 has been created in Europe, with nice sounding words, you'll get nice free things for everyone and we're all one happy (forced) COMMUNITY, but in the end it's one one being soviet style bloc 2.0 super centralised control.

It's a huge con job.

I agree. The president's intervention smacks of the government overreach that the CCP is inclined to indulge in. I can't see this working any better for Amazon et al than it did for Huawei in the West.

 

[Omega Mac]

I agree. The president's intervention smacks of the government overreach that the CCP is inclined to indulge in. I can't see this working any better for Amazon et al than it did for Huawei in the West.

Are you referring to Trump?

 

[Sensamic]

With the new price hikes, which are terrible in EU, besides the small changes from iteration to iteration, I think Apple will see a huge sales decline next year, accompanied by user dissatisfaction in regards to features not being available here.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Looks like the eu is going to bend the knee, good thing Apple finally developed a backbone.

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I wouldn’t see it so much as bending the knee, but recognizing that the DMA only exists for Vestager’s political ambitions. With her not around anymore, there has been more “working with” Big Tech and less grandstanding (one of the fines after Vestager was well below the 10% of worldwide revenue spelled out in the DMA).

I’m not confident as if there’s one thing regulators in the EU are good at is driving out tech companies, but there’s more of a chance now than there ever would have been under Vestager.

 

[Reverend Benny]

With the new price hikes, which are terrible in EU, besides the small changes from iteration to iteration, I think Apple will see a huge sales decline next year, accompanied by user dissatisfaction in regards to features not being available here.

There are price hikes everywhere and tbh, prices, if you take inflation into consideration, aren't as high as you might think.

iPhone price history: How Apple's pricing changes (inflation included)

The iPhone is expensive, but has it always been? Here's the price history of the iPhone over the years and how it tracks inflation.

www.androidauthority.com

Personally I hope that companies will be creative if sales are down and look at other sources of making money. Longer support for a small fee or maybe if extended support if you are an icloud+ subscriber are things things I would appreciate.

The forecast for cheaper budget phones doesn't look good.

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[HouseLannister]

I do agree on app quality though, most apps look better on IOS.

I think the word "look" does the heavy lifting there. There is not any improved functionality of apps on iOS vs Android and those apps on iOS can frequently be lacking features that appear on Android. They feel more polished on iOS because they don't have to do as much work on the development front to make something pretty on iOS, but it's mostly cosmetic. iOS is just better at helping lazy developers put in minimal effort and still make something good enough. Android developers don't have as good a toolkit and Google still has a lot of work to do there. But I use both OSes daily and would still take a rough-looking Android app over its iOS equivelent most days.

 

[flybub]

I think the word "look" does the heavy lifting there. There is not any improved functionality of apps on iOS vs Android and those apps on iOS can frequently be lacking features that appear on Android. They feel more polished on iOS because they don't have to do as much work on the development front to make something pretty on iOS, but it's mostly cosmetic. iOS is just better at helping lazy developers put in minimal effort and still make something good enough. Android developers don't have as good a toolkit and Google still has a lot of work to do there. But I use both OSes daily and would still take a rough-looking Android app over its iOS equivelent most days.

Nailed it. iOS apps look better, no argument from me. As far as functionality goes, however, they are on a different planet, and not in a good way.

 

[Le_Chiffre]

I wouldn’t see it so much as bending the knee, but recognizing that the DMA only exists for Vestager’s political ambitions. With her not around anymore, there has been more “working with” Big Tech and less grandstanding (one of the fines after Vestager was well below the 10% of worldwide revenue spelled out in the DMA).

I’m not confident as if there’s one thing regulators in the EU are good at is driving out tech companies, but there’s more of a chance now than there ever would have been under Vestager.

I disagree eu and stand by what I said. Apple finally developed a backbone and said no to the eu regarding Apple Intelligence.

The eu is freaking out and have bent the knee, Siri ai will come to the eu with iOS 27 this fall.

 

[Le_Chiffre]

With the new price hikes, which are terrible in EU, besides the small changes from iteration to iteration, I think Apple will see a huge sales decline next year, accompanied by user dissatisfaction in regards to features not being available here.

The price hikes will be across the board. 😂
Android has already saw a huge decline this year, and the price increase will be the death knell for some of the Android brands going into 2027.

Don’t know what you are claiming to be true; However iPhone satisfaction is at an all time high, everywhere even in Europe, South Korea and China.

I’m currently in Rome and literally everyone has an iPhone.

 

[Lioness~]

I haven't found a new iPhone that I want.
But I don't want to leave Apple, I rather wan't to see an Apple I like again - after Cook?

I was almost buying a 17e, but I realized I didn't really want it. It was only some phone that felt as a the least bad alternative, of the phones Apple sells now, to me.
But I didn't go through with it.

So I decded to give my 13 mini a new battery instead - soon ♥️
Then I have some time to see what Apple will come up with after Cook have resigned.
Maybe next guy have better ideas for us 'mini-phones-people' ? We'll see.