Then why do you describe people supporting right to repair as clueless? How is this bad for us, as consumers?
If apple is really concerned about environment, as they like to proclaim, this is where they should start.
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If apple is really concerned about environment, as they like to proclaim, this is where they should start.
Yes, they can. Also, your ≠ you’re.
By the way, the current government wants to force an entire company (TikTok) to be sold to a US enterprise, I find that to be more intrusive than a law aimed to protect the rights of users.
AND make things UPGRADEABLE!!!
Hard soldering memory and storage on a motherboard is STUPID!!! Requiring 'special' components that are 'kissed' with special magic is STUPID! The idea that ONLY kissed video cards work well, or at all, in Apple Products is ridiculous! The idea that only kissed SSD's will work is ridiculous! The idea that you have to disgorge the entire contents of a computer case to add memory is STUPID!
I read somewhere that I would have to gut the iMac Pro to upgrade the memory, and that I should be grateful that Apple 'allowed' me to even do that! (after going through glue and stickum! The screen is apparently glued to the case, and can crack, or shatter. Oh joy, oh bliss, oh rapture)
NO MORE!
I'll go PC if I have to. Apple isn't getting better, they are getting WORSE!
Last I checked out modern day phones can often be repaired in a corner shop by someone without a great amount of training. So, somewhere between now and shoe boxes.
Unless you write a corresponding law regulating this, right?
Nope. That’s consumer law which is not a warranty.
A warranty is provided by the manufacturers, the 2 years consumer law thing is a legal matter.
So if they made the mini speaker $500, then the $79 repair fee wouldn’t seem so excessive.
But because it’s going to be $80 to buy it once on sale, they will have to charge $20 to fix one, despite it costing more than that to pay the employee for their time and the overhead. The replacement parts should be free?
But because it’s going to be $80 to buy it once on sale, they will have to charge $20 to fix one, despite it costing more than that to pay the employee for their time and the overhead. The replacement parts should be free?
Actually the mac pro, you can upgrade with off the shelf video cards, ram and storage (you need to use an adapter for the storage, though). But you certainly pay for the privilege.
With the apple silicon systems it seems those days are gone for good.
I like the fact that we (the UK) will dip our toes every now and again into European policy. This would be a good one to mirror.
You’ll be missed. Together we’re stronger.
I find it funny how many people here think you need to be a freakin genius to make a simple repair.
There is no relationship between size and repairability in modern electronics. My grandfather was a watch maker. Do you know the size of the screws in an old mechanical watch. Well you have to use a magnifying glass to unscrew them. There is absolutely no reason, other than cost and forced replacement, why modern electronics cannot be repairable, especially when today's phones are build with 2 devices that wear out; Battery and SSD.
I demand to do my own surgery!
Sometimes there are more important things than repairability: longevity (in form & function), recyclability, etc. In most cases specialised equipment is needed - and for good reason - and it’s not just an issue in consumer electronics. It’s the price we pay for a ‘modern’ future.
Apple is not guilt-free but their products roadmaps & software support mean that - IF YOU LOOK AFTER THEM - their devices last many, many more years than competitors and there is no need to upgrade every year at all. They don’t make ’clickbait’ hardware.
Sometimes letting people ‘fix’ certain things makes everything worse. IFixit has a vested interested in this sort of thing as they can sell all sorts of stuff to people ‘to help’, making a tidy profit. Not impartial at all.
Sometimes there are more important things than repairability: longevity (in form & function), recyclability, etc. In most cases specialised equipment is needed - and for good reason - and it’s not just an issue in consumer electronics. It’s the price we pay for a ‘modern’ future.
Apple is not guilt-free but their products roadmaps & software support mean that - IF YOU LOOK AFTER THEM - their devices last many, many more years than competitors and there is no need to upgrade every year at all. They don’t make ’clickbait’ hardware.
Sometimes letting people ‘fix’ certain things makes everything worse. IFixit has a vested interested in this sort of thing as they can sell all sorts of stuff to people ‘to help’, making a tidy profit. Not impartial at all.
They’ll probably be back when they realize they got played by Putin. If they ever figure it out, anyway lol.
NOT Rocket Science, if anybody was allowed to Repair (OR grade) AAPL products, AAPL's margins would go Way Down.
You are absolutely right, I can see no good reason to object to this. As far as I understand, the new laws will not force Apple to change their designs - they will just have to live with being required to show a 2/10 repairability score or whatever in their store and on boxes. And if customers do not care about repairability, this will not change a thing. The only way this could be damaging to Apple would be if people so far had misconceptions about the repairability - but surely it must be better then to inform them, rather than exploit their misunderstanding.
It will end up like in California where everything is labeled as carcinogenic.
I don’t know what grading is, but my shop down on the corner replaced my battery, screen and speaker for less than $100 in August 2019.
Should I go down there and ask them why Apple allows them to repair their products when some guy on the Internet said Apple doesn’t allow that?
btw, Apple’s margins don’t have to go down lol. If they’re not making enough, they’ll simply raise prices ?♂️
Not to our throwaway society. Take the lawn mower. You can buy one really good one that will last 30 years or you can buy a new one every 5 to 7 years. At the end of the 30 years you have paid two, three, four times, or more than what you would have paid buying a good one to start with.
Guess which one the manufacturer wants you to do? Guess which one the daily marketing and propaganda is geared towards? Guess which one is easy to believe, because the advertising makes you feel good.? Guess which one actually makes financial sense?
Now, I understand most people on this forum will never have lawns, but the same logic applies to a lot of non-consumable products. Of course advertising and propaganda today wants everyone to think that everything is consumable.
That’s not a thing.
But you’re right, in California some carcinogenic items are labeled as such.
Nothing wrong with consumer education. Here in the US, we have similar labeling requirements for energy consumption and nutritional content of food.
In any case, I think Apple is fine with the repairability of their devices, and I can’t imagine they’d object to the requirement of repairability scores. (And iFixit should get over pentalobe screws. They aren’t a hindrance to repair, and haven’t been for a decade.)
I am so tired of this line of Apple apologist. It's one thing if a product is difficult to repair due to size and design requirements, but quite another when a company goes out of its way to make a product difficult/impossible to repair in the way Apple does. Locking an otherwise generic power management chip behind a proprietary agreement, preventing third party repair companies from accessing it any way but through Apple directly and only one chip at a time on a case by case basis, thus ensuring same third party repair shop will always provide the repair more slowly and more expensively than Apple directly. Can you imagine if a car company tried something like this? If you were forced to get an oil change or purchase simple things like tires or batteries exclusively through the company dealership directly? And then when this arrangement was rightly criticized that car company made a token gesture of allowing independent shops to perform this work for an annual fee but due to supply chain restrictions mentioned above always more slowly and more expensively than the dealerships themselves?
What part of any of that scenario is better for the consumer? In what way has limiting choice and driving up costs ever been a benefit to the consumer?
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One year is honestly terrible when comparing it to the technology market, most devices and hardware have a longer warranty.