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Apple: “we welcome competition”...but you have no other choice on how to distribute your app.

You can go to el Goog and not earn any money there or have your app pirated.

Apple: “we welcome competition”...if you pay our 30% cut so that we can still profit off of that competition

You think the servers pay for themselves?

Apple: “we welcome competition”...but we don’t allow other app stores or browser downloads to compete with us

And they shouldn't. This is why iOS is as secure as it is and why the robotbot OS is a joke.
 
Apple isn't even a majority of the industry it operates in.

Try again, Spotify.
A better understanding of the complaint from Spotify would help you. They aren't claiming Apple has a monopoly in it's industry.

But Apple doesn't have a monopoly in the smartphone industry they don't even have 20% of the market worldwide which makes claims like these BS. Look at Android there you have 80% or so of the users but it's well known they generally pay WAY less. So Spotify is going after them.
This argument needs to die a quick death. Spotify and others aren't claiming a monopoly in the smartphone industry. They are claiming a monopoly of iOS. I'm not arguing the validity of the claim, just explaining why bringing up the overall smartphone industry is irrelevant. For someone wanting an iOS device, there is only one source... and it ain't Android. It's the App store.
 
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Last time I checked there are plenty of other App Stores and browsers that compete with Apple.

Except that none of the other app stores are an option on iPhones (meaning there isn't really any app store competition if you're an iPhone user) and all browsers on the app store are basically reskins of Safari rather than genuine alternatives, because Apple decrees that all iOS browsers must use WebKit.
 
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So, three examples, of which none of the Apple apps are revenue streams?
 
It is a monopoly because it is the only place where you can sell your product and you are charged for it. Simple fixes:

- Allow to select default apps, I find it very annoying that Apple does not let us choose our default apps, if they were so open they would do it.

- Reduce that ridiculously expensive subscription fee.

It is my device, I paid good money for it, I want to customize it, I want to repair it, I want to install the apps I want.

And for all the commenters, the AppStore is NOT a safe heaven, apps are loaded with trackers and modern-day features that are one step away from being a Trojan and the "reviewers" don't even catch it.
 
Apple strives, for the most part, to provide a user experience by managing the platform in which it operates. Everything Apple provides is available elsewhere. When one chooses to buy an Apple product or service one also opts-in to Apple's eco system and the benefits and limitations it provides. I for one enjoy the mostly seamless integration between devices and the fact I'm generally not worried about virus and malware as I would be on other platforms. This doesn't mean Apple is immure to this, they just does a better job managing the issue. Apple can only manage this by controlling the way APP's and content are delivered. While there are things with Apple that are not perfect, I use my devices to get work done and ultimately that's a measure of the platform I chose.
 
It's a monappley!

It's not a Monopoly. Ever heard of Android?

To put it another way imagine you are Toyota. Now JBL and you have a deal for installation of JBL radio. Then Sony screaming Monopoly because they want to force Toyota to install there product.

Guess what there are other cars like Ford, Nissan ect.
 
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The problem is Apple forbids developers to put any link within the application. That's where it starts.
Haven't we already been through all this years ago with Amazon and the Kindle App where I seem to remember Apple wanting a cut of book purchases made through the app and not allowing any links in the app pointing to the amazon website to buy them from outside of the app? The details are hazy now but it definitely rings a bell.
 
So, three examples, of which none of the Apple apps are revenue streams?

And you cannot get rid of the built-in one. If you uninstall Maps and try to open an address file, it will prompt you to install the app again even if you have several (superior) apps that can handle it like Google Maps, for example.
 
Here's the bottom line: If Apple's App Store is as good as Apple claims, including their assertions of value, security, and convenience, then let it stand on its own merit and allow consumers decide with their wallets rather than forbidding them from even considering alternative app distribution models.
But then people starts getting app with loaded bugs and such would complain Apple did not do enough to protect their phones?
It is not easy to have it both ways.
 
Apple knows it is in significant legal jeopardy. Within the next 18 months, you will see them start listing how many billions they have set aside to pay for any fines related to their business practices.
Nonsense. All they need to do is point out how Netflix handles the situation. Instead of whinging, Netflix figured out how to conform to the AppStore rules while at the same time maximising its profits. All that Spotify needs to do is copy what Netflix is doing, instead of whining.
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I've always had the same position on this. If Apple is hosting the content, they deserve a 30% cut. But if the content is coming from someone else (like Spotify, Netflix, Kindle books, etc) Apple shouldn't get anywhere near 30%. Give them a small fee if the people pay using their iTunes account, but give them the option to pay the service directly.
That's what Netflix does. Netflix pays $99 a year to Apple, that's it.
 
Here's the bottom line: If Apple's App Store is as good as Apple claims, including their assertions of value, security, and convenience, then let it stand on its own merit and allow consumers decide with their wallets rather than forbidding them from even considering alternative app distribution models.

Once they open it up, customers who aren't tech savvy will get links to apps from their facebook friends which they will download and it'll mess up their experience and think it's iOS's fault. So there's a catch 22 there. I like Apple's distribution model--it protects those who are less tech savvy. It may not work out best for someone who wants 100% control over their device, but that is not the majority of the customer base.
 
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What? There are literally no App stores that compete with Apple. You can only get iOS Apps from one store. That's the issue being argued.
Tell that to Google. They will be surprised that the Google PlayStore doesn't exist. "iOS apps" is not a market. "Smartphone apps" is a market.
 
I think he meant App stores in general like the Play Store.
I know exactly what he meant. And yes, that was his implication... Android as an alternative. It's flawed logic. Until Android app stores or some other 3rd party app stores offer iOS apps ← that's what people with iOS hardware are looking for here, there are no practical alternatives (jailbreaking isn't practical imo). Seriously, what's alternative is the Play Store going to offer you for your iPad?
 
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This argument needs to die a quick death. Spotify and others aren't claiming a monopoly in the smartphone industry. They are claiming a monopoly of iOS. I'm not arguing the validity of the claim, just explaining why bringing up the overall smartphone industry is irrelevant. For someone wanting an iOS device, there is only one source... and it ain't Android. It's the App store.
The argument is absolutely correct. There is no "iOS app market". It's not a market.
 
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If spotify do not want to pay store front rent, they can move out.
 
Tell that to Google. They will be surprised that the Google PlayStore doesn't exist. "iOS apps" is not a market. "Smartphone apps" is a market.
You can't really be that obtuse. The entire issue is about the iOS App Store, not the smartphone market. Nothing that Google offers on the Play Store is valid for an iOS device. Google has to offer their wares on the... you guessed it, iOS App Store.
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The argument is absolutely correct. There is no "iOS app market". It's not a market.
Try word play somewhere else. You know exactly what I mean. If you have an iOS device, you only have one place to go. Now you can call the App Store whatever you want to call it. Doesn't matter. It's the be all, end all for iOS devices.
 
This argument needs to die a quick death. Spotify and others aren't claiming a monopoly in the smartphone industry. They are claiming a monopoly of iOS.

There are literally others arguing the app store specifically is a monopoly in every discussion on this topic.

iOS is not a unique market category. It's a mobile OS packaged with a mobile device sale. A Claim that iOS is a monopoly is a claim to a monopoly in the smartphone industry.
It's an absurd claim.
 
Except that none of the other app stores are an option on iPhones (meaning there isn't really any app store competition if you're an iPhone user) and all browsers on the app store are basically reskins of Safari rather than genuine alternatives, because Apple decrees that all iOS browsers must use WebKit.

And I can't get FordSync on my Infiniti. Monopoly?
 
I agree that devs should be allowed to inform their customers by providing an external link. There is no reason why it should be allowed besides taking advantage of being on the „bigger end“.

It’s also silly that it doesn’t impact every category. For example why don’t I / the service provider have to pay 30% on a lift subscription but for Netflix I do. Seems like Apple wants to take advantage in categories they offer their own solution in
 
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