EU's AltStore Gets First Native iOS Pornography App

[bousozoku]

Good!

People should be allowed to do these things with their devices if they'd like to

I'd just hate to see the warranty claims. 🙄 😁

 

[CarlJ]

Um we need to add some AI to prevent on safari and Reddit

AI is not as smart as you think it is.

 

[Dr McKay]

Fascinating display of some holier than thou thinking in here

I don't see anyone clamoring for a ban on Safari (or other web browsers)

Ladies and Gentlemen ... corporations are not here to be moral police

It’s just a reminder that the puritans never died out.

 

[AppliedMicro]

Apple chose the commission approach, for better or worse, and made it apply to everything

They didn’t.
Example: Uber.

How much money are Uber making from purchases in their iOS app - and what commission do they pay to Apple?

They chose to give APIs, developer memberships and app store services for free to almost everyone.
And then charge commissions the subset of developers that only deliver software and depend on Apple.
While making an exception for so-called “reader” apps - cause they (correctly) anticipated that people would

I do, however, worry about “exclusivity” agreements becoming the norm, and the majority who want to stay in the walled garden won’t be able to.

You will be. And so will the majority.
They can use another app instead - that remains distributed through Apple’s App Store - to remain within the walled garden.

There are hundreds of thousands of apps by thousands of developers.
Nobody forces you use the one that went exclusive with another store.

You do “need” that app though?
👉 Then stop telling people “oh, but there’s always Android you can switch too”.

 

[JapanApple]

These stories get more Outlandish, all subject matter Porn LOL

 

[DrRadon]

Asides the strange way of America being patronizing around sexuality while murder violence n horror is all over the media all day long I have to say that corn sources quiet often feel so shady that I don’t feel certain if I see it as the best course of action to by pass native Security checks to install a app tied to that kind of bussines.

 

[DrRadon]

Um we need to add some AI to prevent on safari and Reddit

You could simply use the age restriction option of the Apple ecosystem system. It’s good enough.

 

[Mescagnus]

Why is there a cat on the Hot Tub app screen in the article? 🤔

EDIT: Nevermind, I got it. It's a PUSSYcat.

 

[ATmahe]

Now you know the real reason for the DMA 😀

 

[JonathanX64]

It doesn't. Android exists. If downloading porn apps is that important to the market, then Android will prosper and Apple will suffer, forcing Apple to change its stance or accept lower profits as a result.

Nah. In reality, people who prefer Apple products will still choose Apple products, accepting a subpar experience in these aspects.

Look at the Fortnite debacle, the Xbox Cloud Gaming situation, or the whole App Store’s adult content censorship thing. Do you really think people will go through the tedious process of moving everything from iCloud to Google, recreating passkeys, resetting 2FA keys, etc., just to play Fortnite on the go? Some will, but most will just play an inferior cloud-streaming version or another game altogether.

So government regulation literally improves your iPhone experience 🙂

 

[Astuces iOS]

You could simply use the age restriction option of the Apple ecosystem system. It’s good enough.

No AI is better… kids can use apple devices why not? But AI to block everything +18? Do you guys really need those?

 

[surferfb]

You will be. And so will the majority.
They can use another app instead - that remains distributed through Apple’s App Store - to remain within the walled garden.

Not if I have to use that app for my work, I don’t.

There are hundreds of thousands of apps by thousands of developers.
Nobody forces you use the one that went exclusive with another store.

My employer can.

You do “need” that app though?
👉 Then stop telling people “oh, but there’s always Android you can switch too”.

What a ridiculous argument. If you want an open ecosystem, you have that option. You support taking away the option for everyone who wants a closed ecosystem because you think you know better.

 

[surferfb]

Nah. In reality, people who prefer Apple products will still choose Apple products, accepting a subpar experience in these aspects.

Then the market shows they’re not as important as everything else Apple offers with its products. But you can’t argue “Apple should let the free market work” because they are. If sideloading or porn apps are important to you, they’re not stopping you from using Android. They’re not signing exclusivity agreements with the top apps to keep them only on iOS. They’re not preventing Google from listing a “switch to Android” app. Those are the types of things ACTUAL monopolists do.

Look at the Fortnite debacle, the Xbox Cloud Gaming situation, or the whole App Store’s adult content censorship thing. Do you really think people will go through the tedious process of moving everything from iCloud to Google, recreating passkeys, resetting 2FA keys, etc., just to play Fortnite on the go? Some will, but most will just play an inferior cloud-streaming version or another game altogether.

Some will, yes. That’s the free market working.

So government regulation literally improves your iPhone experience 🙂

No, the EU’s draconian regulations have already made every single iPhone worse. All the time energy spent implementing this mess of a law that gives away Apple’s IP to, for example, pornographers, is engineering resources not spent on fixing bugs and implementing new features.

 

[JonathanX64]

No, the EU’s draconian regulations have already made every single iPhone worse. All the time energy spent implementing this mess of a law that gives away Apple’s IP to, for example, pornographers, is engineering resources not spent on fixing bugs and implementing new features.

It's an insult to Tim personally to think that a company with $3.5 trillion market cap can't hire a couple more engineers.

And again, this objectively makes iOS a better platform even if you can't take advantage of expanded iOS functionality just yet. This will result into more safeguards, and this will lay groundwork for opening up iOS in other countries when the time comes. And you get new features such as ability to easily change default apps: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iphc57feab64/ios

BTW, even I cannot use this advanced version of iOS because my Apple ID is tied to non-EU country (for cheaper iCloud storage and Music), and Apple checks that...... So more regulation is needed and will happen, to the point where I can just AirDrop an .ipa file onto my iPhone and install it right away no questions asked, and you'll be happy about that 🙃

 

[rafark]

Battery life using this app is probably better than accessing it via safari.

What makes you believe this? In my experience, third party apps drain more battery than safari

 

[surferfb]

It's an insult to Tim personally to think that a company with $3.5 trillion market cap can't hire a couple more engineers.

You can't always just throw more engineers at a problem, especially for a temporary effort that has to interact with every single part of the OS.

And again, this objectively makes iOS a better platform even if you can't take advantage of expanded iOS functionality just yet. This will result into more safeguards, and this will lay groundwork for opening up iOS in other countries when the time comes. And you get new features such as ability to easily change default apps: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iphc57feab64/ios

I fundamentally disagree that this "objectively makes iOS a better platform." I think it makes it worse.

BTW, even I cannot use this advanced version of iOS because my Apple ID is tied to non-EU country (for cheaper iCloud storage and Music), and Apple checks that...... So more regulation is needed and will happen, to the point where I can just AirDrop an .ipa file onto my iPhone and install it right away no questions asked, and you'll be happy about that 🙃

That functionality sounds like a great way to facilitate malware transmission. I definitely will not be happy about that.

 

[AdamHarbour]

When you ask Siri for ***** and that what you get 🐈!

 

[ProbablyDylan]

What makes you believe this? In my experience, third party apps drain more battery than safari

Usually, native code will be faster and more energy efficient than whatever javascript and css amalgamation can be put together for the browser. Granted this is a very broad generalization and not always true.

 

[AppliedMicro]

Not if I have to use that app for my work, I don’t.

My employer can.

1. You should have done your research before taking up that employment.

(The details of exactly which apps were available or not don’t matter here. Any developer developing apps used by your employer is free to stop support or withdraw from the market at any time. So is Apple. Or your employer to change platforms. What matters is: can they make you use your personal device and certain apps on it?).

2. You can still switch employers.
Nobody forced you to be employed by your employer. Well, except the military, maybe - though I heard they don’t do that in the U.S. anymore.
I’m sure the great majority of people, in fact, are not employed by your employer. I’m quite certain that your employer’s share of the employed workforce is less than the 25% or so “minority marketshare” you like to quote for Apple for in Europe.

3. More seriously though, you can use another secondary work phone/device.

Look, it may be unpleasant and inconvenient - but so is my switching away from Apple to Android just as much.

What a ridiculous argument. If you want an open ecosystem, you have that option

…but my family communicate through Apple’s proprietary iMessage and FaceTime protocols.
While you can get another job, I can’t get another family.

You support taking away the option for everyone who wants a closed ecosystem

If you limit your software installations to Apple’s App Store, your system remains as closed as before.

What a ridiculous argument.

What’s ridiculous is:
- Your claiming that you might be “forced” to use a different application store
- while bluntly dismissing others by pointing out that Android exists and they can/should buy and use it.

All the time energy spent implementing this mess of a law that gives away Apple’s IP to, for example, pornographers, is engineering resources not spent on fixing bugs and implementing new features.

It’s a dishonest argument at least with regard to installation of apps.

Apple needed nothing more than “flipping a switch” to comply by allowing self-signed apps. Just as they do for enterprise developers - or on macOS. The infrastructure has been in place for many years.

 

[LeeW]

People getting so worked up over an app, lol. Suggesting kids will be unnecessarily exposed to porn if it was not for the EU.

Yet on iPhone, iPad and Mac anyone can open Safari and go straight to more porn they can ever watch or view and wait, quicker than it would take them to download an app. But oh, people won't do that, right? But they will because there is an alt store with a porn app?

Have a world with yourselves.

 

[surferfb]

1. You should have done your research before taking up that employment.

(The details of exactly which apps were available or not don’t matter here. Any developer developing apps used by your employer is free to stop support or withdraw from the market at any time. So is Apple. Or your employer to change platforms. What matters is: can they make you use your personal device and certain apps on it?).

2. You can still switch employers.
Nobody forced you to be employed by your employer. Well, except the military, maybe - though I heard they don’t do that in the U.S. anymore.
I’m sure the great majority of people, in fact, are not employed by your employer. I’m quite certain that your employer’s share of the employed workforce is less than the 25% or so “minority marketshare” you like to quote for Apple for in Europe.

3. More seriously though, you can use another secondary work phone/device.

Look, it may be unpleasant and inconvenient - but so is my switching away from Apple to Android just as much.

…but my family communicate through Apple’s proprietary iMessage and FaceTime protocols.
While you can get another job, I can’t get another family.


If you limit your software installations to Apple’s App Store, your system remains as closed as before.


What’s ridiculous is:
- Your claiming that you might be “forced” to use a different application store
- while bluntly dismissing others by pointing out that Android exists and they can/should buy and use it.


It’s a dishonest argument at least with regard to installation of apps.

Apple needed nothing more than “flipping a switch” to comply by allowing self-signed apps. Just as they do for enterprise developers - or on macOS. The infrastructure has been in place for many years.

I don't even know how to begin to respond to the utter ridiculousness in your message so I'm going to disengage. Have a good one!

 

[davide_eu]

Page 517 of Isaacson’s bio:
"You might care more about porn when you have kids,” replied Jobs. "It's not about freedom, it's about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users."

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It's just a book, not the bible...

It's about freedom... for that guy it was only about money. To remove freedom to force user to buy things using it store.

An app-store is not the future, it is the past, like when we had to use "Tucows", just to download an app to see the weather.

 

[BornAgainMac]

It's just a book, not the bible...

It's about freedom... for that guy it was only about money. To remove freedom to force user to buy things using it store.

An app-store is not the future, it is the past, like when we had to use "Tucows", just to download an app to see the weather.

Book of Jobs - Page 517 verse 15.

 

[Caliber26]

How's that different from Reddit, the native, globally accessible from Apple App Store, porn app?

Or X/Twitter for that matter. That place is FLOODED with porn. And a lot of these people will intentionally add hashtags of trending topics in order for their content to come up in everyone's feed when looking at relevant tweets. If Apple is so concerned with this type of thing perhaps they should redirect their attention to X and coerce them into creating safeguards that, at the very least, reduce the probability of accidentally viewing porn on your feed.

 

[AppliedMicro]

I don't even know how to begin to respond to the utter ridiculousness in your message

How about acknowledging that “buying an Android instead”, let alone switching to it, can be difficult, expensive or impractical for users?

And so can be “not developing and app and/or offering services for iOS devices for developers” for developers or providers of digital products or services. To the point of making their business unviable.

Also: consumers do not base their purchase decisions for their devices or operating systems on one single feature (sideloading, iMessage, whatever). ould not


👉 We could have a more nuanced discussion if people acknowledged that.


The mere existence of Android doesn't "make things right". Just as the mere existence of another app doesn't make them right for you, if it "forces" you to user a third-party store against, even though you prefer not to.

And consumers should not need to base their purchase decision on one single feature (say... "sideloading". Or a certain app they "need"). Just as you should not be forced to use a certain application store (or operating system), just cause you or your employer (make you) depend on it. Not when there's only two relevant mobile operating systems and application stores to choose from.

But as long as people are playing hardball with their arguments and being dismissive by pointing to Android and "be done about it", so am I:

• “Worrying about exclusivity agreements?” 👉 No worries, there’s always another app.
• You might be forced to use another app store? 👉 No, you won’t be. See above.
• Losing their preferred walled garden? 👉 No, you can still purchase all your apps from Apple and remain in their curated walled garden.

the utter ridiculousness in your message

Of course it (my previous post above) was.

So is the though that anyone should be able to charge anything they want - when they're operating in a monopoly (or duopoly) in "infrastructure" that's important to society.