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Evernote Will Not Implement Controversial New Privacy Policy

So - any recommendations for good alternatives, the key feature I am struggling to find elsewhere is robust searching within PDF files (i.e. surfacing notes that contain keywords) - I like to dump everything in there an know that it's easy to find stuff without too much effort organising files etc.
 
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Too late. I've been a paying Evernote user for many years. After seeing this I started working towards migrating to Apple Notes. I think Apple's privacy approach is the best and works for me. I've migrated away from Google tools for the most part too.

If Evernote went this far towards making this change I'm thinking they will eventually do it. No thanks. Evernote just shot itself in the foot.
 
mkeeley said:
If they really cared about people's privacy they wouldn't have even brought this up. So why would anyone trust them now? Still not read what exactly this machine learning is going to do, that could be a much bigger deal than a few people looking at a relatively few notes.

Anyhow, I installed notes station on my QNAP NAS yesterday, ugly looking thing but has plenty of functionality. As it is ugly I started to do my own userstyle for it last night which was quite fun, never done one from scratch before.
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I just bought my QNAP too but I am in two minds and have these questions. Maybe I can PM you if you are ok to discuss.

1. Should I open my NAS to the internet. I have heard some people being hacked. I don't have much to protect but still don't want someone to hack it. I didn't see any fool proof options to protect it from hackers. Maybe google two factor if it works with QNAP.

2. Suppose I opened it to the internet the data still needs to flow through QNAP servers. What data gets scanned by them. Do they store anything or is it completely pass through.

I am going to setup my NAS soon so these are some important questions that I have.
 
ajhard said:
So - any recommendations for good alternatives, the key feature I am struggling to find elsewhere is robust searching within PDF files (i.e. surfacing notes that contain keywords) - I like to dump everything in there an know that it's easy to find stuff without too much effort organising files etc.
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There are several existing MR threads on this question (with a lot of crossover). Eg.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/evernote-alternative.1712766/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/onenote-alternative.1539220/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/alternative-app-to-notes-for-ipad-iphone-and-mac.1528808/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/evernote-what-are-the-alternatives.1370551/
Etc.
 
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Too late,
The moment I knew you were considering it means you do not really care about your user's privacy.
I am not going to read you 3200 page privacy policy to find loop holes where you get to see my info and share it with others

pat500000 said:
Sorry everlost....I got another app.
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What did you get? I am looking for an alternative
 
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kstotlani said:
I just bought my QNAP too but I am in two minds and have these questions. Maybe I can PM you if you are ok to discuss.

1. Should I open my NAS to the internet. I have heard some people being hacked. I don't have much to protect but still don't want someone to hack it. I didn't see any fool proof options to protect it from hackers. Maybe google two factor if it works with QNAP.

2. Suppose I opened it to the internet the data still needs to flow through QNAP servers. What data gets scanned by them. Do they store anything or is it completely pass through.

I am going to setup my NAS soon so these are some important questions that I have.
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I'm no NAS expert but just going by common sense you only install/setup stuff you need. So if you don't need ftp or remote access for example then don't set that up. Out of the box all of that's disabled. QNAP doesn't store any documents etc, the NAS is your personal cloud.
 
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The NSA is going to use this excuse someday. "We just wanted to read everyone's notes so the computer we are building to read everyone's notes doesn't make too many mistakes..."
 
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I'd love to know how many people they lost with this. I know I submitted a ticket to have my account deleted after reading the update. I don't have a good feeling about the long-term prospects of my data with Evernote regardless of the backtracking update.
 
PabloGS said:
There is an inherent flaw in how we as end-users are able to protect our data.
Truth is: We've lost total control. We usually have no control over where our data is stored and all those EULAs and privacy policies are changed arbitrarily.

So you decide to use a service one day, you've read their privacy policy and the next day it reads a completely different thing. Sure, you've been notified, but you're already locked into that solution and invested a lot of money to use it. So you all of a sudden have to agree to some weird passage that allows them to do whatever with your data/information, pass it on to sub-contractors and third parties, etc.

That includes Apple with their almost monthly new TOS. How am I supposed to read that 100 page stuff and ask someone with legal expertise what this actually means for me. It seems they almost expect you to have a lawyer at your disposal! Maybe I should employ one full time? Oh... Wait... No... I don't earn enough by faaaaaar to be able to do that.

There should be a worldwide law that demands privacy by design and default and allows the customer to keep his service without agreeing to new policies (albite with less features since certain functions might not be covered).

I'm sick and tired of trying to run around to protect my bits and piece.
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Well said.

I agree that the time has come for a blanket law on Internet privacy. It should probably be an amendment to the Constitution if not a multinational law. Personal info that is exchanged with Internet businesses should have the same protections as One’s medical records. There should be severe penalties for digital snooping, selling User activity data even on an IP level, and failing to disclose security breaches in a timely manner (Looking at you Yahoo!). At the same time, I believe law enforcement should have unchallenged access to User info if that person is voicing threats, inciting violence or endorses an enemy of the U.S.
 
MacBH928 said:
Too late,
The moment I knew you were considering it means you do not really care about your user's privacy.
I am not going to read you 3200 page privacy policy to find loop holes where you get to see my info and share it with others


What did you get? I am looking for an alternative
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Notibility and onenote.
 
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Avieshek said:
We need an alternative. It's becoming more like Apple at taking decisions.
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Except when it comes to user data and privacy. In fact they just demonstrated that their original idea is very opposite of Apples stand on that matter.
 
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We see this all the time, so no one should be surprised. Some company modifies a privacy policy to essentially negate itself, there's an outcry, and they back off. Remember when Facebook decided that they owned your data even after you cancel your account? At the meeting where Evernote said, "I know! We can have people read users' documents!" who the hell thought it was a good idea that wouldn't get busted?

These companies keep picking away, and fortunately people are still paying attention. Screw them all. I don't do social media, I have nothing voluntarily to do with Google (even searches), I don't use third party email clients or messaging apps, and I have Little Snitch on lockdown against all but necessary outbound traffic.
 
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fhall1 said:
I went to OneNote back when Evernote started cutting capabilities and features for the basic (free) tier - no regrets - everything syncs between Mac, Windows, and iOS.
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When you look at the Win10 with inbuilt spyware I'm not sure you should blindly trust MS and Onenote. Not read anything bad but you've no idea what happens at the other end.
 
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OneNote information is data-mined for profit too. It's "free", so what do you expect?
I'm trying not to be an Apple apologist, but I'm struggling to even come up with any note taking program out there that allows cloud syncing without data-mining other than Apple's painfully basic Notes program... Notes is "free", but the only comforting aspect here is that Apple have openly defended their customer's privacy. Apple do make good free software, but do so as a vehicle for selling their hardware. A pure software company can't offer free software and expect to live long...
 
I hate the way this industry is continuing to push for our content never being anywhere but on some "storage service" we have no control over.
 
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