Naaa, that assumes everyone knows it's Titanium. I know three people with a 15 Pro, and none of them even know that it contains Titanium. They didn't know that their previous Pro was statinless, either.
Most people just don't care.
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iPhone 15 Pro Max Everybody was tricked by Apple not really full titanium 🤣
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Naaa, that assumes everyone knows it's Titanium. I know three people with a 15 Pro, and none of them even know that it contains Titanium. They didn't know that their previous Pro was statinless, either.
Most people just don't care.
And your degree in Metallurgy came from what university?
That's not how it works. You made assertions, you substantiate your assertions.
Tell that to the people that design, and manufacture jet engines. A very hostile environment. Titanium is the metal of choice, not aluminum, not stainless steel.
It is not titanium that is scratching, but the coating. Given enough tools and desire I can scrape the coating off of any metal.
I would suggest you give up now. The more you post, the bigger the hole you dig. You are only posting uneducated guesses and opinions backed up by nothing. If that pleases you, so be it. But don't try and pass off your unsubstantiated statements as fact or something that someone should refute.
Once again, you did not respond whatsoever to the two main points that I listed.1) The phone breaks more easily than any phone in the past six years. The phone is not lighter due to titanium. Titanium is heavier than aluminum. every time you write a response, thinking you made a mic drop, you just make yourself look worse and worse each time and if you notice in your responses, you still have never replied to those two claims. It’s important to have some humility in these discussions. For example, we can say the titanium scratches just because of the paint layer and I’ve seen the video on that. That’s completely completely understandable and I don’t even care about that one bit. It’s becoming more and more clear you haven’t spent the time looking at the expert breakdowns on YouTube I’ve watched probably three hours of drop tests and people cutting it open and analyzing it. Can you just take a seat and take a break for a while everyone is dumber for having to listened to you.
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It's not 100% a marketing gimmick. Titanium is notably lighter than what was used prior (stainless steel) on iPhone Pro models and that is indeed a reason why the 15 Pro is lighter.
Don't sweat it, he/she will be suspended sooner than later. Like @Harthag stated, account made yesterday so not worth engaging
I’m assuming you meant to quote my comment as well. “SS” is stainless steel. The 14 Pro does not have an aluminum frame, it is stainless steel. Titanium is much lighter than stainless steel and this contributed to the overall weight reduction.
I’ve googled this six ways to Sunday and it tells me that aluminum is used for the wraparound, not stainless steel. Very happy to humbly change my position and reevaluate, but I’m not convinced. Just checked again… “For the non-Pro models of the iPhone, Apple uses an aluminum frame instead of stainless steel” - I know the Internet gets things wrong so you have to be careful about your sources so I want to stay humble here but this is definitely what I’m reading
What are you talking about? The 14 PRO HAS A STAINLESS STEEL FRAME. I would love to see your explanation as to why this isn’t the case when Apple and every teardown ever done confirms it.
I’m comparing Apples to Apples, 14 PRO against the 15 PRO. Compared to the stainless steel the 15 Pro titanium frame is not a marketing gimmick. Your original post said it is a marketing gimmick.
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That is true. I don't have to substantiate claims I never made. You made the claims, provide the proof. It is not my job to prove you wrong, it is your job to prove you are right.
Then why did you bring it up as an issue? "Next, it’s not as scratch proof and dent proof, as they say." Your words, not mine.
If you don't like the phone, why did you buy the phone? Vote with your wallet. Tell Apple engineers how you know more than they know. Everything Apple has stated in their advertisements is true. If not, the FTC would be on their case in a heartbeat. You are only stating your opinion, masked as something informative, without anything to back up your statements. When you cannot differentiate between mass and weight, leave that out of the discussion.
Well you asked where his/her degree came from and apparently it's from the University of Google with graduate work done at the University of YouTube..What did you do the other day? There are seven days in a week.
I was hoping for at least "College of Duck-Duck-Go". Let's hope it is not "Community College of Bing", gaaack.
I understand what you’re saying. It’s very confusing and frustrating when I keep going online and reading. “Using an industry-first thermo-mechanical process, the titanium bands encase a new substructure made from 100 percent recycled aluminum, bonding these two metals with incredible strength through solid-state diffusion. The aluminum frame helps with thermal dissipation and allows the back glass to be easily replaced.Sep 12, 2023” —- I’m currently in the process of trying to find the tear down video that I saw the other week. Please keep in mind, I am only referring to the wraparound band. I saw elsewhere on the Apple website where it said “iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max feature a beautiful surgical-grade stainless steel and textured matte glass design in four stunning colors.” - but again, I just wanna make sure we’re talking about the band that wraps around the outside of the phone only. That’s all I’m talking about for the 15 (not 15 Pro)
The titanium frames absolutely are lighter than the stainless steel frames they replace in the iPhone Pro. Of course they aren't lighter than the aluminum frames on the base iPhone but that's not where the titanium was used. You may have bamboozled yourself there.
You keep saying that the titanium isn't lighter. Why do you think the frame in the iPhone Pros isn't lighter? It is. Stop posting untruths about it not being lighter. In your zeal, you seem to be ignoring what everyone here is telling you.
Where did I go wrong in life…I’m arguing with someone about proven qualities of titanium vs stainless steel frames on a message board. 😂😂😂😂.
You keep posting that and it is entirely irrelevant. It is up to you to show facts. Any facts that make it reverent. Yet, post after post you ignore people pointing out where you are factually wrong and you keep repeating the same garbage.
If you can't acknowledge reality, then your opinions are worthless.
There is no titanium in the non-pro device. Your arguments are based on a false assumption. time to give it up.
Oh my gosh man. You’ve taken a civil conversation and you’ve made it exhausting. There’s absolutely no titanium in the non-Pro product. No one ever said there was. What did I say specifically that you were arguing against at this time. I’m only making two points. 1) Titanium is not lighter than the aluminum. 2) even if titanium itself is stronger than aluminum and stainless steel, it is canceled out by the fact that the front and back screens do significantly poorer in drop tests. What do I care if my phone breaks in the front screen and the back screen but the thin 1mm titanium wraparound is in place. If there’s a misunderstanding our communication, rather than you trying to win an arguments, and be insulting, I would prefer if you could directly refute either of the two claims I just made. Those are the only responses I’m interested in anything else is distraction and you’re just bored (at the very end, when I said, I’m referring to the 15 not the pro, I’m referring to the aluminum versus stainless steel question, not the titanium quote at the very top when I started talking.) I have received now over a dozen responses and no one has been able to refute. My two claims. Everyone who replied either agreed it’s 100% a gimmick or has just been rude and obnoxious .
look, we finally agree on something. I don’t have the time to educate you. Watch anyone of the 2 dozen drop tests. It breaks easier. The material is also heavier than aluminum. You must’ve done really well in school because I repeated myself six times now and you haven’t said anything. My prayer right now is that you would just go away. I feel bad for you. Heck, I could be 100% wrong about everything but to go through life the way you communicate, that must be awful, but again to handle yourself the way you do, you don’t even see it, which is what enables you to interact this way
@Taylors3 - I’m re-reading the comments, there are two separate issues that appear to be argued by us, maybe both sides miscommunicating. Comparing the 15 Pro against the regular 14 / 15 is not really relevant, because they are two different devices, in my opinion. If someone held just the frames, I’d bet 999 out of 1000 people would not notice a difference. I don’t think this is bamboozlement. The titanium frames were meant to replace the stainless steel on the Pros, which makes a palpable difference.
Re: durability, the iPhone 5 was aluminum and we had Bend-gate. I’ve never bought a phone due to marketing features such as durability or scratch resistance. Apple isn’t wrong that the titanium is stronger, when taking into account just the frames. One of the problems I gathered from teardowns is that there’s a large empty space beside the volume buttons that contributes to the weakness. How much the titanium has to do with this and lack of durability is unknown. I wouldn’t call this bamboozlement though.
Well it’s nice to get a calm response from someone without all the character attacks. At least that allows me to respond and have a normal conversation.
- “You mentioned Titanium makes a “palpable difference” - this is a different argument that the two I made. We could discuss what “palpable” means in a measurable fashion but to be clear, it’s a discussion separate from my original 2 main points. My 2 points.
- #1) STRONGER: The front and back of the 15 Pro’s breaks more easily in drop tests than any of the last several iPhones (My evidence is online videos which would be suspect but I believe you would find the same videos compelling to spend some time on Youtube looking at the drop tests by credible/non-sensational people doing fair tests). Titanium does not make the front and back body of the phone stronger but weaker perhaps not due to the Titanium but the way they fastened it to the front and sides. Again, check out what I am saying online.
- #2) LIGHTER: Not lighter than Aluminum was my only argument. I personally don’t think Stainless Steel for a little wrap around matters vs. Aluminum but if it gives someone a warm fuzzy, I have no argument. They could have used Aluminum. Everyone has their preference. I would never argue that.
- If I wanted to venture out on a third point, I would say, they could have given the new feel of holding the phone with the Titanium the same effect using Aluminum or stainless steel if the “feel” and way it’s molded and curbed at the edges, if in fact that’s what we’re arguing but we may be getting into personal preference a little at which point, I’m out. I don’t care enough about this point. I will just roll my eyes quietly and submit to having no argument that Titanium just “feels” great.
- On a side note, and continuing the theme of things I didn’t say but you brought up so I will discuss…. DURABILITY: I thin you argued at the end that Stainless Steel will bend less that Titanium. I’m not sure. I don’t have evidence I’ve reviewed that shows that was the reason. As a more important point, I saw some bend test with the 15 Pro Max that did worse than any phone in years. So yea, I dunno but I’m not giving out any stars to Apple based on breakabilityx tests of the 15 Pro Max. You make a last point about why it may be ending and the volume buttons. That’s all fair. I don’t know. In summary, I still think the Titanium is a GIANT desperate leap of an attempt to offer something new that is a gimmick as I have seen no practical advantages on the breakabilityx and honestly, everything else is a far distant 2nd.I know the phone is 20% lighter for whatever reason. I still don't think it's the frame but part of it maybe v a Stainless Steel option but think about how little Titanium they used. Is that really 20% of the weight? So yea, I think it's baloney, the whole thing
- I appreciate the respectful discourse in this text
Regarding your #1 point about strength, yes I've seen the drop tests. But we can't be 100% sure this happens due to titanium. It could be another design issue, similar to how the iPhone 5 bended. You're not wrong, but I don't think this falls under the category of "misleading" by Apple. Agree to disagree. 👍
Your #2 point, I agree. I was comparing steel vs titanium, that's where the miscommunication occurred.
The last side note steel vs. titanium, that's not part of your original points so I won't go further. We don't know what exactly is behind the increased bendability. But to call the whole lineup and marketing a bamboozling, is a stretch in my opinion.
I wanted Titanium and an Action Button so I did the most logical thing… I bought an Apple Watch Ultra 2.