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Siri is in beta and will still be in beta even after adding data sets comprising of multiple languages, countries, mapping ability, OpenTable and Yahoo Sports integration.

Where is that stated? I haven't seen Apple say one way or the other if the beta label is removed in iOS 6. I wouldn't have expected them to announce it at the iOS 6 event either way. I wouldn't be surprised if when iOS 6 hits Apple quietly removes the beta label from Siri on their website without any other word (I mean Siri is already heavily advertised).

But I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed in Beta either. It's just unknown.
 
People who are actually arguing that Apple is ahead of Google in the mapping department are either a) dumb or b) complete apple fanboys that are kidding themselves.

The cartography in Google Maps is significantly more elegant than what is currently in Apple Maps beta.

Nobody is saying it is impossible for Apple to one day catch up to Google. But acting like it isn't a step backward at the moment is silly, when it so obviously is a step backward.

Im no mapping expert. All I can say is I have used both and I have personally liked the apple maps a little more for the inclusion of yelp and open table. Maybe google maps has alot more data but apple maps is yet to let me down in day to day usage.
 
Siri is in beta and will still be in beta even after adding data sets comprising of multiple languages, countries, mapping ability, OpenTable and Yahoo Sports integration.

If Siri's still in beta then they better call Apple Maps a beta, too. At least that will give people hope that it will improve.
 
Im no mapping expert. All I can say is I have used both and I have personally liked the apple maps a little more for the inclusion of yelp and open table. Maybe google maps has alot more data but apple maps is yet to let me down in day to day usage.

Google has had easy links to reviews and Zagat ratings for a while now. So again, tying in Apple Maps to Yelp isn't a leap forward... it's just not another step backward like the lack of POI detail, the occasionally incorrect data, the removal of street view, etc.

I don't disagree that Apple maps will be functional for day to day use, especially with the turn by turn. But if I go with the iPhone 5/iOS 6, gone are the days (at least for a while) where I can do heavy duty "map surfing". I know I'm probably in the minority of people who do that, but I'll still sorely miss it.

The fact is Google maps would be fine for "day to day use" if streetview were removed. But you know what? You don't see Google removing it and announcing it as one of the key upgrades to their newest operating system. Sure, I could get by with it... but a downgrade is a downgrade is a downgrade.
 
People are under the impression that Google Maps is perfect. It has lots of mistakes and errors. It uses third parties for a lot of its stuff. Same with Apple.

But I think this misses the point. I would be surprised if Apple's goal here is the be the best cartographer in the world (Buster!). That really doesn't matter. I suspect that Apple's game is to have great *integration* of geo-info in its iOS. That is, make tools that use geo-info, and make them very accessible to the user. Integrate them with everything, and do it better than Google.

Errors do and will continue to exist. The real value is in creating useful tools. Apple is good at that. That is what will be the competition between Android and iOS.
 
If Siri's still in beta then they better call Apple Maps a beta, too. At least that will give people hope that it will improve.

Apple Maps IS in beta at the moment! They have months to sort it before the public release of iOS, so it may be perfect by then and not need the beta status.
 
Apple Maps IS in beta at the moment! They have months to sort it before the public release of iOS, so it may be perfect by then and not need the beta status.

Less than 2 months if rumours are to be believed. That's not a lot of time, especially considering it'll be in freeze for the last 2 weeks or so.
 
Less than 2 months if rumours are to be believed. That's not a lot of time, especially considering it'll be in freeze for the last 2 weeks or so.

In the last month and a half that the iOS 6 beta has been available, with each new beta there have been LOTS of improvement to Maps so far. So I think 2 months is actually a lot of time.
 
In the last month and a half that the iOS 6 beta has been available, with each new beta there have been LOTS of improvement to Maps so far. So I think 2 months is actually a lot of time.

I have used every beta. While there have indeed been some improvements, it hasn't been improving at a rate that would lead me to believe it'll be competitive with Google Maps in 6 weeks.
 
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Are you serious? An iPhone 4 is one generation behind, the colors are far less appealing, the routes are longer and worse, google maps are also vector based, also have turn by turn navigation, 3d maps, but with smarter routes AND public transport. You have no argument, get a life. Google Maps on Android has everything Apple Maps and more, but is also considerably more refined. If Apple had just upgraded Google Maps instead of deciding to create its own then everyone would have benefitted.

You key point, "Google Maps on Android", I have an iPhone (and most others here), not an Android. Apple Maps on iPhone are superior then Google Maps on iPhone for a number of reasons.

Vector Based
Turn by Turn
Siri control
Yelp POI integration
Incident/Construction Reporting

The fact is that we have no way of knowing for sure why Apple couldn't have upgraded the Google Maps app with Google assistance to provide the same experience that Android users have. But most information points to the fact that Google didn't WANT to work with Apple to upgrade and/or were going to charge Apple an iArm and iLeg just to include basic features.

I'm sorry if you are unhappy that Google will not allow one of its main competitive advantages over Apple be installed on iPhones but that Googles issue, not Apple.

That being said, if you want Google Maps as they appear on Android, why not just get and Android phone and stop trolling and iPhone forums?

Complaining here will actually do nothing.

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I understand that new features are withheld from older devices, but the Maps experience on my phone is now worse than it was on 5.1.1, and that's just wrong.

Then you shouldn't have upgraded to iOS 6 BETA....
Also, if it was better on 5.1.1, simply downgrade. Problem solved!

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The problem with Apple's Maps app in iOS 5 and previous was the app itself, the front-end, not the backend and its data.

The fix proposed by Apple in iOS 6 is to swap out the back-end.

Google doesn't "obviously keep a better version" for their own OS, Google never made one for iOS to begin with. The front-end Application was under Apple's responsibility. All the features it lacked was Apple's own fault for not implementing them from Google's data.

Basically, they replace the only part of the app that was good : the actual Map data. That is the issue people have with it.

That makes no sense. Think about it, why would Apple create a while new Maps app if all they need to do is fix the front end stuff? That makes no sense from a business or fiscal sense. Upgrading the existing Maps app would be fairly cheap, completely developing a new Maps app from the ground up and buying companies to help make no fiscal sense if there is a cheaper option.

More then likely what keeps being reported, that Google didn't permit Apple to use the data in certain ways is what was holding back the current Maps app and drove Apple to replace it.

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The front end has always been the problem with Maps, which was originally designed and never updated by Apple, not Google.

KnightWRX, it pains me to see your technically sound and logically correct posts in so many threads cast aside by blind ignorance.

Incorrect, use Google and find the many articles that say that Google did not permit Apple to use certain features in the Current Maps App.

Also, it did get an update, iOS 1.0 didn't have Street View, Public transit Directions, or Walking Directions. Google gave or sold access to that data to Apple so Apple could include it in the Maps app. I believe that was iOS 3.0
 
That makes no sense. Think about it, why would Apple create a while new Maps app if all they need to do is fix the front end stuff? That makes no sense from a business or fiscal sense. Upgrading the existing Maps app would be fairly cheap, completely developing a new Maps app from the ground up and buying companies to help make no fiscal sense if there is a cheaper option.

More then likely what keeps being reported, that Google didn't permit Apple to use the data in certain ways is what was holding back the current Maps app and drove Apple to replace it.

Or what keeps being reported : Apple has a grudge against Google since 2008, about a little known project Google bought in 2005. You know, that green little robot thingy.

Of course it makes no sense, that's why everyone is wondering why Apple is willing to downgrade the Maps experience so. Let's hope they managed to keep the quality of the dataset at least on par or just a bit behind.
 
There is already navigation in Google Maps for iOS, so all that Apple has to do is make it into more driver-friendly instructions (just simple rephrasing) and add a voice. It tells you "turn left at Street Avenue" and such right now.

Did you read the article? Can't add Turn by Turn if Google doesn't permit that feature to be used.

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If Siri's still in beta then they better call Apple Maps a beta, too. At least that will give people hope that it will improve.

Apple Maps is in beta, or did you miss the fact that iOS6.0 Beta 3 is what is available to developers?
If you aren't a developer, then really you shouldn't complain about the software since you shouldn't have it.

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Or what keeps being reported : Apple has a grudge against Google since 2008, about a little known project Google bought in 2005. You know, that green little robot thingy.

Of course it makes no sense, that's why everyone is wondering why Apple is willing to downgrade the Maps experience so. Let's hope they managed to keep the quality of the dataset at least on par or just a bit behind.

My Maps app on my phone hasn't been downgraded. Of course, I'm not a developer an so I still have 5.1.1. When I get iOS 6.0.0 sometime in Sept or Oct when it is released then we will know what app actually is superior.
And given the features announced, (assuming Apple can fix some of the minor mapping inaccuracies) Apple Maps on iPhone will be far superior then the Google Maps on iPhone app ever was.
 
Less than 2 months if rumours are to be believed. That's not a lot of time, especially considering it'll be in freeze for the last 2 weeks or so.

The thing that always makes me chuckle is the impression that the build Apple releases is a snapshot of iOS from that day. I dare say the version we get get is weeks possibly months old. Thats why theres usually such a jump in stability when we get to the release candidate. Apple use us to try and catch the bugs they missed and simply ignore ones already fixed. Maps will be much farther along than we all know.
 
If Siri's still in beta then they better call Apple Maps a beta, too. At least that will give people hope that it will improve.

iOS 6 hasn't even been released yet, so Apple Maps is in beta.

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Or what keeps being reported : Apple has a grudge against Google since 2008, about a little known project Google bought in 2005. You know, that green little robot thingy.

Of course it makes no sense, that's why everyone is wondering why Apple is willing to downgrade the Maps experience so. Let's hope they managed to keep the quality of the dataset at least on par or just a bit behind.

Even if we assume that Apple could just fix the Google Maps app, they would also like to have their name on it. That's the whole reason why Google makes free services like Google Maps that cost them immense amounts of money to maintain.

The addition of features is surely an upgrade, and we can only hope that their maps are as good. Apple can't play it slow on this one!

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People who are actually arguing that Apple is ahead of Google in the mapping department are either a) dumb or b) complete apple fanboys that are kidding themselves.

The cartography in Google Maps is significantly more elegant than what is currently in Apple Maps beta.

Nobody is saying it is impossible for Apple to one day catch up to Google. But acting like it isn't a step backward at the moment is silly, when it so obviously is a step backward.

Perfect.
 
You key point, "Google Maps on Android", I have an iPhone (and most others here), not an Android. Apple Maps on iPhone are superior then Google Maps on iPhone for a number of reasons.

Vector Based
Turn by Turn
Siri control
Yelp POI integration
Incident/Construction Reporting

The fact is that we have no way of knowing for sure why Apple couldn't have upgraded the Google Maps app with Google assistance to provide the same experience that Android users have. But most information points to the fact that Google didn't WANT to work with Apple to upgrade and/or were going to charge Apple an iArm and iLeg just to include basic features.

I'm sorry if you are unhappy that Google will not allow one of its main competitive advantages over Apple be installed on iPhones but that Googles issue, not Apple.

That being said, if you want Google Maps as they appear on Android, why not just get and Android phone and stop trolling and iPhone forums?

Complaining here will actually do nothing.

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Then you shouldn't have upgraded to iOS 6 BETA....
Also, if it was better on 5.1.1, simply downgrade. Problem solved!

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I'm testing iOS 6...why would I downgrade? Is there something wrong with me complaining and being disgruntled with Apple's childish politics?

They ditched Google Maps and refused to improve the Maps experience because they are trying to dissociate themselves from Google. It's the same reason they changed 'Google' to 'Search' in the iOS 6 search bar. Face it, Apple feels betrayed by Google for competing against them in the mobile arena with Android. Go search, there's tons of quotes and actions that document this.
 
I'm testing iOS 6...why would I downgrade? Is there something wrong with me complaining and being disgruntled with Apple's childish politics?

They ditched Google Maps and refused to improve the Maps experience because they are trying to dissociate themselves from Google. It's the same reason they changed 'Google' to 'Search' in the iOS 6 search bar. Face it, Apple feels betrayed by Google for competing against them in the mobile arena with Android. Go search, there's tons of quotes and actions that document this.

Mark me down as one of those people who will never understand why someone like you seems to feel personally betrayed by Apple's decision...forced or not..to provide an alternate solution to Google.

Google IS a direct competitor and that alone is a good enough reason for Apple to want/implement their own solution And avoid having their biggest competitor's brand name on Apple's product. That's business and their right no matter how much you feel it personally screws you. Get over it.
 
I'm testing iOS 6...why would I downgrade? Is there something wrong with me complaining and being disgruntled with Apple's childish politics?

They ditched Google Maps and refused to improve the Maps experience because they are trying to dissociate themselves from Google. It's the same reason they changed 'Google' to 'Search' in the iOS 6 search bar. Face it, Apple feels betrayed by Google for competing against them in the mobile arena with Android. Go search, there's tons of quotes and actions that document this.

You are correct, they do feel betrayed by Google, but that has little to do with the fact that Google wouldn't give Apple access to the feature set that Apple wanted, mainly in Turn by Turn.
And I don't know why you say they refuse to improve the Maps experience, thats why they created the whole new App, to improve the experience. And if you are actually a developer and have seen the improvement made with each beta you might recognize that.

I don't have a copy of iOS 6, I'm not a developer, but every time a new beta comes out there is a new thread documenting all the improvements. Do you think that is going to stop with Beta 3? No, they will keep improve, Apple is very anal about getting stuff right and I think some of the small error currently seen will be gone by launch day.

If you truly have complaints because as a developer something doesn't work, then you have a right to complain. But if you simply paid a developer for a copy and now you are complaining, go take your complaints elsewhere because the complaints aren't constructive. They are just a bunch of whining.

90% of the complaints here are rehashes of previously mentioned complaints and whining.

Get over it. Google Maps will now longer be included on the iPhone. If that is a deal breaker, go to Android. I'm sure they will love the crying and complaining when you can't even upgrade your brand new phone to KLP in 6 months.
 
I'm very satisfied with Apple Maps. They have more up-to-date and better looking satellite imagery where I live. I love the interface, Yelp integration, places of interests, and navigation. Flyover seems like it needs to be tweaked a little bit because it still has that "melting" look to it. I hope they improve it soon. Other than that, I think iOS 6 Maps is a huge improvement.
 
You are correct, they do feel betrayed by Google, but that has little to do with the fact that Google wouldn't give Apple access to the feature set that Apple wanted, mainly in Turn by Turn.
And I don't know why you say they refuse to improve the Maps experience, thats why they created the whole new App, to improve the experience. And if you are actually a developer and have seen the improvement made with each beta you might recognize that.

I don't have a copy of iOS 6, I'm not a developer, but every time a new beta comes out there is a new thread documenting all the improvements. Do you think that is going to stop with Beta 3? No, they will keep improve, Apple is very anal about getting stuff right and I think some of the small error currently seen will be gone by launch day.

If you truly have complaints because as a developer something doesn't work, then you have a right to complain. But if you simply paid a developer for a copy and now you are complaining, go take your complaints elsewhere because the complaints aren't constructive. They are just a bunch of whining.

90% of the complaints here are rehashes of previously mentioned complaints and whining.

Get over it. Google Maps will now longer be included on the iPhone. If that is a deal breaker, go to Android. I'm sure they will love the crying and complaining when you can't even upgrade your brand new phone to KLP in 6 months.

Relax, dude. And I have seen an improvement in the data since beta 1, but not a sufficient one that would make me believe Apple Maps can be competitive with Google Maps by its release. All I'm saying is I'm appalled and disappointed that Apple would degrade it's mapping experience because it's peeved with Google and wants to just continue quarreling.
 
Relax, dude. And I have seen an improvement in the data since beta 1, but not a sufficient one that would make me believe Apple Maps can be competitive with Google Maps by its release. All I'm saying is I'm appalled and disappointed that Apple would degrade it's mapping experience because it's peeved with Google and wants to just continue quarreling.

I just reread through all your posts on this thread, and you main complaint seems to be that the iPhone 4 doesn't get Flyover or Turn by Turn and thus you have a worse experience. Fair enough. They implanted a new mapping scheme and the 2 main benefits of the Apple Maps aren't available on a legacy device.

And while this may suck, this happens every year. Legacy devices get less updates in the currently sold device and the new device usually has 1 or 2 exclusive features. This is an enticement to upgrade, every company does this with their products.

As a comparison to Android, many of the handset sold in the last year won't get updated to ICS, even though they were released after ICS was announced, let alone get upgrades to Jelly Bean. But thats the manufactures planned obsolescance of their device to entice people to upgrade.

To see the full benefit, you will need to upgrade, either to a 4S or 5. You can either use this as enticement to upgrade or look elsewhere, but again in about 6 months when you find out for sure your brand newish Android phone won't get Jelly Bean, I'm sure you'll get a less sympathy from the Android community.
 
I just reread through all your posts on this thread, and you main complaint seems to be that the iPhone 4 doesn't get Flyover or Turn by Turn and thus you have a worse experience. Fair enough. They implanted a new mapping scheme and the 2 main benefits of the Apple Maps aren't available on a legacy device.

And while this may suck, this happens every year. Legacy devices get less updates in the currently sold device and the new device usually has 1 or 2 exclusive features. This is an enticement to upgrade, every company does this with their products.

As a comparison to Android, many of the handset sold in the last year won't get updated to ICS, even though they were released after ICS was announced, let alone get upgrades to Jelly Bean. But thats the manufactures planned obsolescance of their device to entice people to upgrade.

To see the full benefit, you will need to upgrade, either to a 4S or 5. You can either use this as enticement to upgrade or look elsewhere, but again in about 6 months when you find out for sure your brand newish Android phone won't get Jelly Bean, I'm sure you'll get a less sympathy from the Android community.

I understand that having a less-than-new device precludes me from getting updates, but I don't believe it's fair to punish us iPhone 4 users by downgrading our Maps experience. That being said, I will still definitely be getting the iPhone 6, but I know a lot of people who still have iPhone 4's and this is no way to be treating your customers.
 
I understand that having a less-than-new device precludes me from getting updates, but I don't believe it's fair to punish us iPhone 4 users by downgrading our Maps experience. That being said, I will still definitely be getting the iPhone 6, but I know a lot of people who still have iPhone 4's and this is no way to be treating your customers.

iPhone 6??? You are going to wait 3 more years and still rock an iPhone 4??

Using this naming convention they have set as semi-precedent

current - iPhone 4S
2012 - iPhone 5
2013 - iPhone 5S
2014 - iPhone 6
2015 - iPhone 6S
etc.


Althought personally, I think its going to be called the iPhone LTE.
 
iPhone 6??? You are going to wait 3 more years and still rock an iPhone 4??

Using this naming convention they have set as semi-precedent

current - iPhone 4S
2012 - iPhone 5
2013 - iPhone 5S
2014 - iPhone 6
2015 - iPhone 6S
etc.


Althought personally, I think its going to be called the iPhone LTE.

Why would they call it an iPhone 5, suggesting it's the fifth iPhone, which is false. I think they'll call it like the new iPhone, or something, but I'm pretty sure they'll drop their numbering scheme.
 
it will be the 6th iPhone. I guarantee they drop the numbering scheme just because of all the feet stomping crybabies that whine whenever there isn't a redesign.

Even if im wrong it will not be called the iPhone 5. if they keep the numbering scheme it will be the iPhone 6. After all the included the 3GS when they called the 4th generation iPhone the 4. so why wouldn't they include the 4S when calling the 6th generation the 6. If S models don't count then the 4 would of been called the 3.
 
Apple Maps on iPhone will be far superior then the Google Maps on iPhone app ever was.

That's the whole point though, the problem wasn't the back-end data, it was the app all along. The back-end didn't need changing. There never was a Google Maps on iPhone app, there always was an Apple app that used Google's mapping data.

Now Apple chose to tie their upgrade of their own app to a change in backend technology which is removing accuracy, features and changing the look to an inferior experience (narrower street lines, bad choices of colors resulting in worse readability and label sizes that are questionable).

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Even if we assume that Apple could just fix the Google Maps app, they would also like to have their name on it.

Their name is already on it. Maps on iOS has always been an Apple application.
 
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