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Everything Announced at Today's Apple Event in 6 Minutes
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What's an "Intel Mac with Apple Silicon" ??? There are zero Intel parts in these machines.
The case, display, and ancillary components are largely the same, but it's not clear how any of that makes a difference.
These first round M1 machines are mainly intended to be test mules for all the developers and curiosities for the enthusiasts. The real meat N potatoes ARM macs we won't be seeing for a few years yet
If they do that they would collapse the market
>> Interface to connect iPad + your iPhone
Would be like a case with keyboard and an small SSD with full MacOS system
when you plug both iPad + iPhone
Operating System would use 2 CPUs + 2 GPUs
that would destroy the actual market
They stop making laptopts and just sell this interface plus the option to buy iPad + iPhone together at once (with an inherit discount)
Pro Desktop workstation could be kinda same interface (accepting getting the power of existent devices iPhone + Ipad), plus another bigger screen (nowadays iMac) with 2 ARM chipsets × 2 more GPUs [that's just an example of kinda expandable, eco architecture]
Also I understand this kinda combination could be done only among same family Gen chipsets or maybe among 1 down, 1 up Gen family
So MacOS, system will read like
iPhone + iPad
16 Cores CPU + 16 Cores GPU
iPhone + iPad + iMac
16 Cores CPU + 16 Cores GPU (like before)
+ another
16 Core CPU + 16 Core CPU from desktop bigscreen iMac interface
>> Interface to connect iPad + your iPhone
Would be like a case with keyboard and an small SSD with full MacOS system
when you plug both iPad + iPhone
Operating System would use 2 CPUs + 2 GPUs
that would destroy the actual market
They stop making laptopts and just sell this interface plus the option to buy iPad + iPhone together at once (with an inherit discount)
Pro Desktop workstation could be kinda same interface (accepting getting the power of existent devices iPhone + Ipad), plus another bigger screen (nowadays iMac) with 2 ARM chipsets × 2 more GPUs [that's just an example of kinda expandable, eco architecture]
Also I understand this kinda combination could be done only among same family Gen chipsets or maybe among 1 down, 1 up Gen family
So MacOS, system will read like
iPhone + iPad
16 Cores CPU + 16 Cores GPU
iPhone + iPad + iMac
16 Cores CPU + 16 Cores GPU (like before)
+ another
16 Core CPU + 16 Core CPU from desktop bigscreen iMac interface
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Stating that something is 2x faster than something else when running the same app is real-life practical comparison.
Comparing benchmarks means little in the real world.
I thought the keynote today was massive overkill. On the level of what people expected in here vs what was actually released I'd say this was one of the least exciting Keynotes I've sat though in a while. I'm sure these Macs will improve over time but as of now they are big pass for me.
It also looks like eGPU support has been killed and that's a real bummer.
It also looks like eGPU support has been killed and that's a real bummer.
Both rumors, and neither may actually exist.
It will be interesting how Intel "counter punches" with the processor line. I would imagine there will be some interesting mashups with Intel and other sidecar technology companies to produce similar M1 products for the Windows market.
Wow! For me, the performance of the new Silicon machines sounds impressive. If these figures will be confirmed in everyday work, I'm very excited to see what the new Silicon MBP 16" will bring to the table.
The Mac mini models with M1 chips, priced at $699 and $899
Underpowered, overpriced garbage. Fanboys bought Apple stock when it split so watch the RED "disagrees" accumulate under my inconvenient truth.
Underpowered, overpriced garbage. Fanboys bought Apple stock when it split so watch the RED "disagrees" accumulate under my inconvenient truth.
I don't know; if I can't spend at least $6000 on a laptop, I'm not happy. 🥱
Kidding aside, the M1 is definitely not something I would want, but I appreciate their effort.
Kidding aside, the M1 is definitely not something I would want, but I appreciate their effort.
It's optimized!
Two ports instead of four...the ports are optimized!
You know what's optimized? Apple's profits.
Hardware is overpriced and underpowered garbage.
Yes... I doubt they will be 10-years usable like 2010 to 2013 Macs. A 2010 white Macbook is still a decent machine for browsing, even more with a SSD and 8GB of RAM (although it supports 16GB). My 2013 MBP will certainly be usable in 2023 even if stuck with Catalina (which is the case actually) just like High Sierra Macs are pretty usable in 2020.
Agreed... in the real world, I expect this running a lot of apps in emulated mode with an inferior performance compared to 2018 Minis, although Siri will answer faster (who cares?).
Yeah but they quote figures based on perfect world scenarios. Tell me you've never compared benchmarks to judge which is faster?
A couple of things to note for the future (some speculation, mind you):
1. The actual dram in the M1 is implemented as separate 8 GB chip(s) on the M1 SoC package (see Apple tech docs); the base MBA/P comes with 8GB as 1 chip, or 16 GB as 2 chips. Obviously, these can be upgraded easily to 32GB or more in future M SoCs, so you get 32GB for the M2 simply by changing out those dram chips on the SoC package;
2. I suspect that the next step will be the M2 for iMac and high end MBP, which will use the Li'fuku *discreet* GPU chip from Apple. This will allow the integrated GPU on the M1 to be removed and the space used to double (+/-) the number of CPU cores for the M2;
3. The M2 will likely use the next bump to the current TSCM 5nm process, yielding more potential chip area, which may be used to increase the CPU cache sizes and perhaps add more neural cores.
One thing I noticed in the event presentation: The M1 has a 12MB *L2* cache! On Intel processors they have been using a 3-level memory cache architecture for years. On Intel, it would be the L3 cache that would be that large, not the L2 cache, which would normally be down in the 128kB - 256kB range. Apple removing a cache level (3 -> 2) is a big deal, because it reduces memory latency and saves space/power.
Just my take on it.
1. The actual dram in the M1 is implemented as separate 8 GB chip(s) on the M1 SoC package (see Apple tech docs); the base MBA/P comes with 8GB as 1 chip, or 16 GB as 2 chips. Obviously, these can be upgraded easily to 32GB or more in future M SoCs, so you get 32GB for the M2 simply by changing out those dram chips on the SoC package;
2. I suspect that the next step will be the M2 for iMac and high end MBP, which will use the Li'fuku *discreet* GPU chip from Apple. This will allow the integrated GPU on the M1 to be removed and the space used to double (+/-) the number of CPU cores for the M2;
3. The M2 will likely use the next bump to the current TSCM 5nm process, yielding more potential chip area, which may be used to increase the CPU cache sizes and perhaps add more neural cores.
One thing I noticed in the event presentation: The M1 has a 12MB *L2* cache! On Intel processors they have been using a 3-level memory cache architecture for years. On Intel, it would be the L3 cache that would be that large, not the L2 cache, which would normally be down in the 128kB - 256kB range. Apple removing a cache level (3 -> 2) is a big deal, because it reduces memory latency and saves space/power.
Just my take on it.
Hrmmm I hate to say it but this has to be the most disappointing and underwhelming apple event in many years. It was a press release, not an event...
It wouldn’t have been so disappointing has they not built it up.
Still the same old form factors and now new iMac, nothing compelling at all.
It wouldn’t have been so disappointing has they not built it up.
Still the same old form factors and now new iMac, nothing compelling at all.
I noticed that did not upgrade the top line of MacBook Pro 13 with intel i5 4 core 2Ghz, I guess that it means M1 is less powerful
I think we will be able to compare M1 with MacBook / iMac intel configuration as soon as someday will test it with Geekbench
I think we will be able to compare M1 with MacBook / iMac intel configuration as soon as someday will test it with Geekbench
So how about fully M1 compatible adobe software? We gonna be running adobe for long time in Rosetta mode??
Waiting to see if Big Sur is a repeat of Catalina. Should get a thread going on that so I can time my migration of six macs... I was one of the suckers that "upgraded" to Catalina a year ago and paid the price.
I loved the presentation and it was very informative. The fact that a MacBook Air is now more powerful than 98% of PC laptops sold is quite impressive, particularly when the high efficiency cores alone are as powerful as the dual core Intel processor in the Air. The graphics look to be the best of any integrated graphics solution available. Hats off to Apple. Quite an achievement.
I really hate this kind of comparison, it doesn't really mean anything. Did they wrote somewhere what specs has 98% of laptop PC?
As someone who uses orchestral libraries, I do need 32 GB (at least) and moreYou could say the same thing about megapixels, or clock speed, or terabytes, etc. More isn't always better. The unified memory architecture will be far more beneficial to the vast majority of buyers as opposed to a 32GB RAM option. The Pro models with Apple silicon and gobs of RAM will come soon enough, just be patient