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Most people that own Apple computers are not people in proper productivity fields anymore. Apple wouldn’t make a load of them if it didn’t know the numbers and demographics that were purchasing them via Apple ID. I assume that’s the case with the SE. When the profit margins are massive for accessories it just makes excellent fiscal sense if people are willing to buy multiple cases and watch bands.

What an awful generalisation line one is.
 
They specifically said it’s an education event beforehand. They specifically chose not to live stream it because they knew it wasn’t for everyone.

I don’t understand people with regards to Apples behaviour - they can never do right. What were they supposed to do? Not announce the products at all? Announce them but be really clear about how they’re not actually a big deal? Haha.

This was a perfectly fine little event for the things they are targeting. And the possibility of all future iPads having pencil support is great. We don’t need a new Apple Pencil either, they’re already best in class. Any additions would be appreciated but not at all necessary.
 
No Mac Pro (which hasn’t seen an update since 2013) and no Mac Mini (which hasn’t seen an update since 2014). No iPhone SE (which hasn’t seen any update outside of a storage bump since 2016). No standalone display and no AirPort because those departments were shut down (by the richest company in the world).

But hey, we have new watch bands! That’s more important than all of the products mentioned above. Thanks, Tim! :rolleyes:
And no updates for OSX and Bootcamp for iMac Pro owners. Duh...
 
They've lost touch with schools. Are you really gonna have students, especially the young ones, an Ipad and pencil that they can break or lose? They need something like a chromebook.

ifail.
apple tried making something like a Chromebook but they accidentally ended up pricing it at 4x the cost.
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I don’t understand people with regards to Apples behaviour - they can never do right. What were they supposed to do? Not announce the products at all?

err, have you ever visited this forum before? It basically serves no other purpose than to allow people to whine.

im glad I bought my pro already, or I'd be struggling to decide between it and the new iPad now.
 
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My son submitted his last 3 college papers by exporting his google doc to pdf. Each google doc incorporated google sheet and google drawing via copy and paste. Much easier than MS Office and still MLA formatted!

But I still think Pages is wonderful, I like keynote, but Numbers - what a wreck.

Numbers is not so much a wreck as it was right after the "conversion". It has been getting better. Still needs text to columns, pivot tables and remove duplicate features - but it has been getting better.
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And no updates for OSX and Bootcamp for iMac Pro owners. Duh...

This was not the event for these types of updates - this was an education focused event concerning iPad and iWork.
 
These new capabilities in iWork make me wish i was a student again. I could took a physics class in collage and i had to write up very detailed lab notes. Lots of sketches and advanced formulas. I used MS Word 4.0 with Equation editor and it took a long time to get them to look good. The new Pages and built-in sketches feature would have made things much quicker. I read that Keynote has animation abilities and being able to build that into moving forces on a sketch could really have been fun.
I agree that Apple should bring back many of the features in past versions of iWork apps and iLife (I miss the built in special effects of iMovie that existed 11 years ago).

at least someone understands what this apple event was about. This event wasnt about new products for the masses. This is mostly for the education route their going. If i was in college still this would have been so helpful especially with the pencil.
 
It's great for Apple to focus on education, but the idea of Apple, Google and Microsoft all embroiled in a war to hook students into their ecosystems to drive hardware sales leaves the whole thing sour.

These companies should focus on bringing standards to education technology instead of competitive walled gardens. Imagine a student in one school district, an "Apple" school district, now moves to another area that is a "Google" school district, suddenly they have to relearn and adapt to a completely different set of services and applications.

Also, wouldn't it be great if that student can carry their work over to the new school to help educators their better evaluate their overall progress?

It's fine for these companies to have their own services and apps, but at the end of the day there should always be a big "Export" button somewhere where a student can transfer their Apple content over to Google or Microsoft, and every other variations in-between. What these companies should do is focus on a some kind of document standard they will share.

This isn't like someone buying an iPhone and Apple wanting to keep people on that platform by making it impossible to transfer music and apps and content over to Google, students largely don't have a choice in where their parents decide to move or live, so having to bust through walled gardens and re-learn proprietary education "systems" is more of a detriment to education.

Also, I find it hard to appreciate Apple's efforts when they always just offer "mild" discounts for students. I mean both Microsoft and Google have donated billions in product to schools over the decades, yet Apple offers like 10% if you are student or educator. Apple certainly can improve their case for education by simply gifting their platform to many impoverished school districts that can't afford to pay the "Apple Tax", even at a discounted rate, but then Apple would be targeting students that most likely would never afford their other products so it's a lost cause for them. Sell slightly discounted versions of Apple products to the "rich" school districts to hook the rich kids onto their platform early.
 
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As a school administrator this really is a big deal. With the addition of the pencil capability, the IPad now becomes more useful than the MacBook Air at almost half the price. The larger cloud storage means that I can move away from costly in house servers. The single sign-on school management means that students can quickly toggle between working on their iPad and working on a more robust IMac desktop. Battery life is good, reliability is strong, and the life of the machine is great. If I could get a yearly school wide subscription to all iBook content (like Apple Music) I would be set and could eliminate the old school library.



Apple held its first event of 2018 this morning in Chicago, Illinois, at the Lane Tech College Prep High School. The event's unusual location was due to the fact that it focused on education, marking Apple's first education-oriented event since 2012.

The main draw of the event was a new low-cost iPad with Apple Pencil support, but Apple also announced several other education-focused initiatives for teachers and students. The full event spanned over an hour, but we've recapped everything that's worth knowing in the three minute video below.


Apple didn't live stream the event this morning, but after it was finished, the company shared a full video, so if you want to watch it from start to finish, you can do so on Apple's Events website or through the Events app on the Apple TV.

There were also a few other unannounced surprises that popped up on Apple's site after the event, like new iPhone and iPad cases, new Apple Watch bands, and a Space Gray Magic Keyboard, Trackpad, and Mouse, which were previously exclusive to the iMac Pro.

As with all Apple events, MacRumors provided a live blog and extensive coverage, all of which is listed below so you can catch up if you missed anything:

Hardware


[*]Apple Launches New 9.7-Inch iPad With Apple Pencil Support, $299 for Schools and $329 for Consumers
[*]Logitech Announces $49 Crayon Stylus and $99 Rugged Combo 2 Case for 9.7-Inch iPad
[*]New Logitech Crayon is Compatible Only With Sixth-Generation iPad
[*]Apple Now Selling Standalone Space Gray Magic Keyboard, Magic Mouse 2, and Magic Trackpad 2
[*]New 9.7-Inch iPad Hands-On: 'Very Familiar' Update Benefits From Apple Pencil Support and A10 Fusion Chip
[*]Apple Debuts New iPhone and iPad Cases, Launches New Apple Watch Bands
[*]AppleCare+ Price Reduced to $69 for 9.7-Inch iPad and iPad Mini Models

Software


[*]Apple Updating iWork for iOS: Pages, Numbers and Keynote Get Book Creation and Apple Pencil Support on 9.7-Inch iPad
[*]Apple Announces 'Classroom' Coming to Mac, Reveals New 'Schoolwork' App for Educators
[*]Apple Increases Free iCloud Storage for Students to 200GB
[*]Apple Announces Free 'Everyone Can Create' Curriculum for Teachers
[*]Apple Updates Clips and GarageBand on iOS With New Educational Features
[*]iWork Apps for Mac and iOS Updated With New Features, Apple Pencil Support on iPad

We'll be sharing additional details on the new iPad with Apple Pencil support throughout this week and next, so make sure to stay tuned to MacRumors. For more details about the new iPad, make sure to check out our iPad roundup, which will be updated later today.

Article Link: Everything Apple Announced at Today's Educational Event in Under Three Minutes
 
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It’s obviosuly too expensive to add on, dont forget the hardware changes required to have that made, and that would just further bump the price up in an extremely price sensitive sergeant. Blue tooth keyboards are not a neccicity due to the on screen keyboard and are getting better with time.

As a parent, I would rip into any school admin that tried to get my kid used to typing on a sheet of glass rather than a keyboard. Ergonomics and habits are very important for children.

Fortunately I wouldn't have an issue, because the school boards (at least in my area) care about ergonomics at least as much as I do and would never encourage screen keyboards for kids. They're too afraid of getting sued after a kid gets carpel tunnel on their equipment.
 
As a school administrator this really is a big deal. With the addition of the pencil capability, the IPad now becomes more useful than the MacBook Air at almost half the price. The larger cloud storage means that I can move away from costly in house servers. The single sign-on school management means that students can quickly toggle between working on their iPad and working on a more robust IMac desktop. Battery life is good, reliability is strong, and the life of the machine is great. If I could get a yearly school wide subscription to all iBook content (like Apple Music) I would be set and could eliminate the old school library.
But will your institute support Schoolwork & Classroom (besides G Suite et al.) and then how will you manage/synch content- and exam provisioning ?
 
Ask Apple maybe? Bluetooth only exists at 2.4GHz, apple has no way to connect an HID at 5GHz.
Come again?
If ipads are using wifi at 5GHz, the wifi won't scramble BT.
I guess the keyboard, with distance of zero centimeters from ipad, doesn't get too much interference from others?
Did I guess wrong? The problem isn't between wifi & BT?
 
This was not the event for these types of updates - this was an education focused event concerning iPad and iWork.

The new iPad has as much place in a classroom as a nintendo gameboy. MacOS updates would have been appropriate for education, more so than anything they actually covered.

All we learned from this event was that Apple is clueless about education. They think students need a cheap content consumption device with an optional $100 pencil. Wow, maybe if we send Timmy back to school he can learn what it's like to be a student.
 
I don’t understand people with regards to Apples behaviour - they can never do right. What were they supposed to do? Not announce the products at all? Announce them but be really clear about how they’re not actually a big deal? Haha.
Sorry about sarcasm,
but didn't you get the memo? ;)
Problem here is that Apple can't do right, if they do nothing.
They've done nothing about mini or macpro for FOUR or FIVE years!
They are still selling mbAir, with worse screen than cheapest chromebook!

Yes, they don't have to release these in edu event, but they need to release these!
 
Let me start by saying that I am a huge  fan, who thinks everything they do is amazing, and who thinks that  can do no wrong.
However, they have just done something wrong. As someone who is in school at this moment exactly, I will be the first to say that none of this is necessary. All the schools near me just have simple pencils and paper, and use Chrome books if they ever need to get on the internet. Sometimes, the teachers just tell the students to get out there phones, and use the internet from them. Now due to different circumstances, I use a MacBook for school, and I just get my work with google drive, and text edit. Thats it. Simple text edit files. Most schools can live with the Chrome books with Google Docks, because thats all schools need. You get the document with the assignment in it, you fill in the answers, and you share it back to the teacher. Its simple and it works. Meanwhile, Apple is trying to give schools this multi use experience, which may be cool at first, but after a while, schools will go back to just simple text documents, because everything else isn't necessary
 
We are on our final budget revision for the year and I had just eeked out enough for 6 iPads for teachers. Now I'll be able to get 12! My staff will be so happy. And I can plan on at least another dozen when I do next year's budget in May.
 
Numbers is not so much a wreck as it was right after the "conversion". It has been getting better. Still needs text to columns, pivot tables and remove duplicate features - but it has been getting better.
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This was not the event for these types of updates - this was an education focused event concerning iPad and iWork.
Fair enough. Aside from a reasonably priced iPad, we get more wristbands and accessories, just what we need...NOT.
 
The whole event could've taken 3 minutes, too.
That's a confusing comment. Apple has always put profit first. They have never gone 'cheap' to grow market. Not once. I for think they should at this point find a strategy that works where their margins become 10% instead of 30. But they don't seem to follow my advice, which is why they are still making money hand over fist. Google isn't razor focused on anything. But they are hungry. They will try and fit into any space with lowest common denominator hardware and software. And that works for them given their desire to sell your personal life. Apple will never compete with Google in cheap classroom hardware (software or hardware) just as they never competed with Windows for cheap classroom systems. I keep thinking at some point, using their leverage in the supply chain that lets them manufacture cheaper than anyone else right now, they could just go all into a market like education and put out devices and solutions that are drastically cheaper and dominate a market. But I guess there isn't enough upside profit wise.

No disagreement. But... here's some perspective commentary:

Apple is indeed a 'profit-first' company. OK... so why do they keep leaving profit on the table?

Consider ONE use-case: the non-portable device, aka Mac Mini. They don't sell very many because the hardware specs are freakin OLD. If they would simply commit to a 2-year upgrade cycle and provide demonstrable value from those upgrades (more capable processors, faster/more memory, better data access, better graphics, etc.) then people would buy them. Likely in droves.

Sure, there is some overhead to be considered, but for an almost trillion-dollar company surely there is a small group of engineers that would like to work on this.

Now take that same scenario across every product they make. They sell craploads of iPhones because the UPGRADE THEM. There's a simple lesson to be had there.
 
Numbers is not so much a wreck as it was right after the "conversion". It has been getting better. Still needs text to columns, pivot tables and remove duplicate features - but it has been getting better.
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This was not the event for these types of updates - this was an education focused event concerning iPad and iWork.

My version of Numbers (3.6.2) is limited by the fact that I cannot upgrade to the latest version because I am unable to update my OS past El Capitan because my 2008 Mac Pro is not being updated. For my purposes, the version I am using is satisfactory.
 
From an educators perspective, this sounds like a nightmare. Right now, people are forced to use proper software for the task as there is no alternative. Yes, it may seem like much more work than just drawing the formulae on your iPad, but in the end you learned how to do it. And that is what education is all about: Learning. Not just the things you need for the exam, but learning to get things done, properly. It may be enough for school, but on college level you shouldn't be able to get away with a lab report with hand-drawn figures and formulae. It's not acceptable.

Umm... why not? Education is about learning, including how to learn, then how to communicate that knowledge. For thousands of years people hand-wrote formula. Now you're saying that isn't good enough? As long as the written communication is clear, intelligent and readable... why would you even care? If I was your student you would be told to pound sand. And yes... I took on several professors... and won.
 
Some of the comments I’m seeing on Twitter are nuts.

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It’s not the job of teachers and school administrators to get kids to love Apple products or turn Apple into an aspirational brand. Their job is to teach, period. And Apple’s job is to provide them with the best tools to do that not turn them into Apple evangelists. If the products and services are good they’ll sell themselves. Maybe in the broader market this idea of Apple as the brand you aspire to works but in education where budgets are tight $$ are all that matters. If the higher ups inside Apple are thinking this way then no wonder they’ve allowed Google to dominate in the classroom.
 
The problem with bluetooth keyboard is it has the same 2.4GHz interference problem of WIFI but perhaps even worse since you have an average classroom size of thirty devices with barely working WIFI and dysfunctional bluetooth keyboard. A directly connected keyboard is best since work can be cached locally then synced over WIFI to the cloud but it's intolerable to not have keyboard input. Seems like no one at Apple thought this out.

Bluetooth is fine in a limited environment, but no technology is the right solution for every problem. In this case, I agree that Bluetooth is NOT the right answer.
 
Some interesting ideas today. I’m not sure if the Schoolwork app can compete with Blackboard though.
You realize Blackboard can cost well over $1000 per student/year.
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Bluetooth is fine in a limited environment, but no technology is the right solution for every problem. In this case, I agree that Bluetooth is NOT the right answer.
You do realize the the logitech keyboard isnt bluetooth and connects directly to the iPad?
 
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