Everything Apple Didn't Announce at Today's Event

[jimothyGator]

That's another thing we disagree upon. Overall, the market didn't care about the headphone jack. Right again. Apple wants you to go wireless, so they made that a priority. Some people care about it, but the majority clearly don't. Apple makes decisions based on millions of confirmations, not a few detractors.

What's another thing we disagree upon? I expressed no opinion regarding the headphone jack one way or another.

 

[Soi Dog]

Edit. Posted reply to wrong post

 

[tedson]

save the date, October 16, 2018, much of what you ask for is coming.

 

[flur]

save the date, October 16, 2018, much of what you ask for is coming.

Has this been announced, or are you guessing?

 

[Baymowe335]

Right, but have you taken an honest look at apple over the past 4-5 years?

-iMac: highly integrated, laptop graphics, very custom/un serviceable
-iMac Pro: basically what you're asking for without any of the upgradeability
-Macbook pro, touchbar: not found any any other device, no magic keyboard sold that has it, as a result limited 3rd party support (pointless) Oh yeah, and instead of adding TB3 or USB C like other laptop manfs. they just nuked all the other ports.
-Macbook Air: loved, budget, not touched in years
-Mac Mini: barely touched/given any attention
-Macbook: turned into an overpriced iPad running macOS with a permanent keyboard and no touchscreen. (they have the same # of ports!)
-Mac Pro: the trashcan. Strange upgradeability, weird very non-standard design. Can't innovate anymore i'm starting to think so.
-Apple watch: like the iPad, late to the game, way after other smartwatches.
-iPhone: haven't had a reason to upgrade since the 6

Everything they're making is so stylized and run through their industrial design department.. just LOOK at their actions over the years, how can you honestly say things like "They should make this Mac Pro simple and competitively priced so I can justify moving staff off of Windows PC to do heavy compute and development work." and be serious? That Apple is long gone, you are looking to the wrong company to fufill your desires. They aren't going to suddenly flip a switch and start doing things completely different, they're not "hiding" the products and designs that you'd really like and just holding out on you. It isn't even on their radar, they're not giving it a second thought. People who complain like this need to move on. I agree with you in the sense that I also want what you want, but I'm realistic enough to see that it's never going to happen and you're just preparing yourself for seasonal disappointment.

Whoever said it above was right, Apple is now a fashion company. They're all about the phones, that's Tim's thing.

I won’t go over every point, but to say there is no reason to update your iPhone since the iPhone 6 is just absurd and ignoring tons of improvements.

The Watch was late to the game, so other smartwatches are better? I mean, The Apple Watch is the #1 watch in the world and is universally considered the best smart watch. So what’s your point?

 

[tedson]

Has this been announced, or are you guessing?

my guess based on past performance.

 

[4jasontv]

It doesn’t make you crazy, it makes you part of the 5% who are using an SE. The only problem is 95% of users want bigger, more capable iPhones.

Sometimes Apple can figure out a way to make a business out of a 5% product but usually it’ll just be discontinued.

No. This logic doesn’t work. The SE died last year. Maybe earlier. Just because it was still for sale didn’t make it a viable option. People purchased larger iPhones because there was no modern smaller one. We can’t make claims about what users wanted as all we have to go on is what they purchased. The market for small phones might be 75% for all we know. People rarely buy tech for a single feature, and it’s dangerous to buy older tech just because it has a preferred look. Even the non-plus vs plus comparison is flawed because they were never the same device except screen size.

I got a 6+ for the better camera over the 6, and I hated the size. I got an X over the 8+ because it was smaller and more likely to be updated. I would pay over $1000 for XS if it was an inch smaller, but I’m not risking working with slow unsupported hardware.
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What's another thing we disagree upon? I expressed no opinion regarding the headphone jack one way or another.

You really should. It feels great.

 

[zla]

I won’t go over every point, but to say there is no reason to update your iPhone since the iPhone 6 is just absurd and ignoring tons of improvements.

The Watch was late to the game, so other smartwatches are better? I mean, The Apple Watch is the #1 watch in the world and is universally considered the best smart watch. So what’s your point?

I'm mostly making a point about their computers. They're doing alright in the phone and watch department.

I use my headphone jack daily, the camera is more than adequate for what I use it for. I don't need wireless charging, I don't play games on my phone so I don't need a fast processor. I don't need face-id the fingerprint sensor is awesome.

You have been convinced by apple's marketing department that the upgrades are worth it. If I didn't have a phone I'd pay $750 for the Xr, but I already have an iphone 6 that I'd be lucky to get $200 for so why pay $550 for some nice to haves? I just got a new battery for $30. Same for my macbook pro 15, it is a 2013 with dGPU, I don't want to lose my ports, I use the function keys (programmer) so it really does look like a compromise to upgrade to the the touchbar macbook pro, i have an i7 quad core, dropping $3k for 25% faster doesn't make sense for me. I just built a PC I am migrating away from apple computers, for a portable I will probably be going with a surface pro rather than another macbook pro depending on how this fall goes. The spell has definitely been broken for me, it started with the late touchbar macbook pro. What a disappointment.

 

[dutchyonabike]

Apple specifically said, earlier this year, that the Mac Pro wouldn't be released until 2019 (and didn't say when in 2019 either) so predicting it in October would be a stretch even by MacRumors' standards.

The rumours of a "not-so-mini Mac mini Pro" could be garbled stories about the Mac Pro - otherwise it seems unlikely that Apple would throw away the opportunity to make customers who just wanted an i7/i9-class headless desktop fork out for the new Mac Pro.

Anyway -probably best to forget about the new Mac Pro anyway: the longer we wait, the more certain we can be that Apple are over-thinking it. It doesn't take 2 years to design the mini-tower PCIe Hackintosh actually needed by the sort of customers who aren't delighted with the iMac Pro. That is - those who are still around.

Frankly, the last glimmer of life left the corpse of the Mac Pro when nothing was said about it at WWDC (the trashcan and the iMac Pro both got WWDC previews despite not being available in quantity until early the following year). One definition of a "pro": "someone who can't afford to wait 2-3 years for a new computer without being given one molecule of detail on what its specifications will be, when it will appear and how much it will cost". Once people have moved their pro workflow to Windows or Linux then they're not going to be in a hurry to move back.

The Mac Pro is dead as a product :-( In the middle of 2017 I gave up waiting to replace my 5,1 and had a custom water cooled 16core PC built. 64GB RAM, GTX 1080ti 11GB Video Card, M.2 boot drive, M.2 scratch drive. For around $5k AUS. It took a bit of time to get use to but after a year, it feels normal to work with. A tip is to remap (swap) the ALT key and the Control key, and now Cut/Copy/Paste feels normal to my muscle memory. Mark
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No different than those who only want a 17” MacBook Pro.

You’ll be able to buy SE’s for the next 10 years on eBay. At some point you’ll be running an older OS that will unsupported, with security vulnerabilities that will only increase as the years go by. Fewer and fewer older apps will bother supporting it, and newer apps will require more horsepower than it can provide.

In general the tech world is not kind to those who aren’t able to adapt. Things change rather quickly.

We hung on to our (2006?) 17 inch Mac Pro until last year. We only used it once a year for a corporate presentation but when the battery exploded for the second time, it was time to finally cave in and buy something new. Mark

 

[Altis]

Umm...

The Watch 4 has the first ever ECG AND it is blessed by the AHA and FDA. The watch was also completely redesigned and has a 30% bigger screen.

There are TWO brand new iPhones. The Xs Max is the bigger screen version of the #1 smartphone in the world.

The 6.1 Xr is a BRAND NEW phone with 6 colors.

The GPU is 50% faster.

The A12 is a MONSTER...truly the best mobile silicon and where engineering shines.

The neural engine performance is staggering. 600 billion operations per second in A11 to 5 TRILLION which enables amazing photos, crazy options for photo editing, faster FaceID and more AR ability.

The fact you don’t acknowledge or understand the innovation doesn’t mean it’s not there.

This is rich coming from the crowd forever telling us that it isn't about the specs, but the user experience.

I don't care how fast the hardware is when the software is slow, buggy, and blocks input.
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I won’t go over every point, but to say there is no reason to update your iPhone since the iPhone 6 is just absurd and ignoring tons of improvements.

The only reason I replaced my 6 with an 8 is because it broke, though it ran terribly on iOS 11. Didn't help that they were throttling the bejesus out of it because """battery""".

The form factor is the same (well, the 8 is heavier), the display, the software, etc... The headphone jack was handy for certain things (and the dongle has substantially poorer audio quality).

 

[Baymowe335]

This is rich coming from the crowd forever telling us that it isn't about the specs, but the user experience.

I don't care how fast the hardware is when the software is slow, buggy, and blocks input.
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The only reason I replaced my 6 with an 8 is because it broke, though it ran terribly on iOS 11. Didn't help that they were throttling the bejesus out of it because """battery""".

The form factor is the same (well, the 8 is heavier), the display, the software, etc... The headphone jack was handy for certain things (and the dongle has substantially poorer audio quality).

He mentioned engineering, so I pointed out specific engineering leaps Apple made. Form users, it will be better and the features like ECG and bigger screens will be a plus too.

iOS is the least buggy and smoothest OS out there. It’s also updated consistently and secure. I used Android extensively....not sure how you can argue Android isn’t buggy, is more secure, or is faster. Samsung doesn’t even update their phones. My Note 4 was plagued with bugs.

Some subjectivity and single use case, but I do think iPhones generally run smoother and faster longer. iPhones definitely have longer useable lifespans, evidenced by their secondary market value.

 

[julesme]

”It's ECG not EKG.”

Actually, ECG and EKG are both accepted acronyms to describe an electrocardiogram (or elektrocardiogram in Dutch, the language of the inventor of the technology).

In the U.S., EKG is the more commonly used abbreviation.

 

[Candykane75]

Simple question. Why wouldn't Apple make the SE if people wanted it and/or wouldn't buy another iPhone?

The market might exist for a 3 inch phone with a plastic screen too, doesn't mean they should make it. It's all about making the right product and selling as many as you can at the highest price. The mix Apple has chosen most definitely has been based on enormous amounts of data, none of which we have.

You're acting like they sold 50M SEs and now shoot themselves in the foot by discontinuing it. They've determined those folks will buy higher priced iPhones or the older iPhone 7 or iPhone 8. I have full confidence in Apple's strategy decisions, which is where I think we disagree.

For all intents and purposes, Apple has been right on every single iPhone move, so they get the green light from me on anything they do until the facts change. You're all conjecture...I'm looking at a working strategy.

Remember when people said no one would buy a $1,000 iPhone and the X would flop? Remember when they said the notch was a dealbreaker? Yeah, all wrong. Now every new iPhone has a notch and the simple average of all models is over $1,000 (when you consider all sizes). It's $949 if you do a simple average of the 3 phones in their base configurations. Works. Confirmed by strategy.

Just wait until they do $100B in Q12019.
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That's another thing we disagree upon. Overall, the market didn't care about the headphone jack. Right again. Apple wants you to go wireless, so they made that a priority. Some people care about it, but the majority clearly don't. Apple makes decisions based on millions of confirmations, not a few detractors.

Have you seen sales figures for the iPhone relative to the other models if you did you would see apple is in trouble the X and the 8 are selling very bad if you compare to previous .
The models the 7 (plus) are out selling the 8 and the x ....
is selling better They are covering up the fact they are selling less flagships by making them more expensive. Analyst are showing and predictions that 28% of next years sales will be de 7(plus) I think they might be wrong because the 7(+) is a great value for money. People that still use 5s SE 6 most of them don’t want to upgrade to a 1k+ phone. The 7 will be a logical choice.

 

[Baymowe335]

Have you seen sales figures for the iPhone relative to the other models if you did you would see apple is in trouble the X and the 8 are selling very bad if you compare to previous .
The models the 7 (plus) are out selling the 8 and the x ....
is selling better They are covering up the fact they are selling less flagships by making them more expensive. Analyst are showing and predictions that 28% of next years sales will be de 7(plus) I think they might be wrong because the 7(+) is a great value for money. People that still use 5s SE 6 most of them don’t want to upgrade to a 1k+ phone. The 7 will be a logical choice.

Lol, what?

Apple doesn't report sales mix, so none of what you are saying is confirmed true. Based on public sales data, ASP disproves the 7+ outsells anything. ASP was almost $800...

Apple also has stated the X was the best selling phone 3 quarters in a row and the #1 smartphone in the world.

"Analysts" are consistently wrong on everything Apple. The only real numbers are the ones that come from Apple. Everything else is purely guesswork. Look at the financials.