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all these bobos here saying there wont be no m2 chip because butthurt they shelled thousands of $$ recently to max and pro chips. they knew their cpus will be absolute in in 6 months lool. get a real life. this is a trillion $ private business not ur buddy. pathetic.

A12x is still comparable to A14. My guess is that any M2 chip will still pale in comparison to the M1 max chips.
 
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all these bobos here saying there wont be no m2 chip

…who's saying that?

A12x is still comparable to A14. My guess is that any M2 chip will still pale in comparison to the M1 max chips.

Well, it depends. For common tasks like web browsing, single-threaded still matters most, and the M2 will certainly beat the M1 Max on that. If they leave it at the same clock, barely at all, but I can see them bumping it from 3.2 to 3.5, which is already ~10%.

Plus, the M2 has much better efficiency cores. It'll therefore waste less time and energy on background tasks. And on top of that, it also has a newer GPU generation, so even though it'll have fewer GPU cores, those will do quite well.

Now, for heavily multithreaded or GPU-focused tasks, the M1 Pro and Max will win, yes. Native compilation (e.g. Swift), say. Audio/video editing. The kind of stuff people buy Pro chips for.

So, it's fine. The masses of people will get a chip that's fast at the tasks most people perform, and the Pro users will get a chip that's a little slower at that, but much better at tasks Pro users care about.
 
At this point, the only con of this computer would be the notch, if it has one.
The notch is very easy to get rid of.

There are two ways this can reasonably happen:

1. Get rid of the webcam
2. Bring back the massive bezels, i.e. reduce the 14" screen back to 13"

Which would you prefer?
 
Maybe I misread the article, but how is one developer having heard about the M2 being tested evidence of its existence?
In the past we had Geekbench scores showing up, some vague photos of production samples, or something in this kind.
But is a developer hearing that there is something being tested by Apple evidence?
I don't think so.
 
Maybe I misread the article, but how is one developer having heard about the M2 being tested evidence of its existence?
In the past we had Geekbench scores showing up, some vague photos of production samples, or something in this kind.
But is a developer hearing that there is something being tested by Apple evidence?
I don't think so.

The article is vague, but I'm guessing some developer of a third-party app has telemetry/analytics where the M2 shows up as the CPU. Which would be evidence. Or someone doing a joke by faking their CPU ID.
 
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I'm sure max tech will go over all the comparisons speed wise when it's out. I just got my MacBook Pro this week and have no issues expecting me to make this machine last for many years to come. new chips will come out every year part of tech
 
The notch is very easy to get rid of.

There are two ways this can reasonably happen:

1. Get rid of the webcam
2. Bring back the massive bezels, i.e. reduce the 14" screen back to 13"

Which would you prefer?
If you say it this way, the notch makes sense, but there's already an array of laptop makers who managed to make thin bezels, with a webcam, without a notch.

Take the new Huawei MateBook X for example. The company who gets its "inspiration" from Apple.
 

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If you say it this way, the notch makes sense, but there's already an array of laptop makers who managed to make thin bezels, with a webcam, without a notch.

Take the new Huawei MateBook X for example. The company who gets its "inspiration" from Apple.
“Already”

Cites a product that was announced a week or two ago.

The design of the new MacBook Pros was finalized well over a year ago.
 
So once again 16GB RAM will be the max?
Ignoring the reliability of the information for the moment, that limitation would at least make sense for the low-end version of Apple Silicon (M1, M2, M3...). These are aimed at customers with less demanding usage patterns, and the limitation helps Apple maintain their traditional upsell arrangement.
 
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Hang on, what's the actual "evidence spotted"? That would be browsing logs from a computer running an M2 chip or an unreleased version of macOS (which has happened in the past).

This news article is just another rumor/leek from the same old sources?
 
There is a supposed benchmark posted for the M2.


So, about 9% faster in single-threaded, and about 19% in multi-threaded.

Clock is up from 3.2 to 3.4, which explains most of the single-treaded improvement. The multi-threaded improvement matches what we got on A15 vs. A14, while core counts are presumably the same, suggesting that Blizzard is a big improvement over Icestorm, whereas Avalanche is barely improved (in terms of performance) over Firestorm at all.

Anyway, nothing huge, but not terrible either.

So once again 16GB RAM will be the max?

Can't really extrapolate that from this result. Could also be that 16 GB is the new min.
 
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If you say it this way, the notch makes sense, but there's already an array of laptop makers who managed to make thin bezels, with a webcam, without a notch.

Take the new Huawei MateBook X for example. The company who gets its "inspiration" from Apple.

I can't find a single review that has actually tested the camera. I can find a few that point out that it's no longer a nose-cam, which, congrats. And a few that complain that it's 720p, which is irrelevant. How much light does it take in? How much noise is there?
 
I think the various predictions are wide of the mark. Why would anyone want to buy an M1 27” iMac now/soon when M2 is already available.

Because the 27" will come with M1 Pro and M1 Max and both of those will outperform an M2 from a little (8C/14G M1 Pro) to alot (10C/32G M1 Max).

The 27" was generally aimed at a different target market than the 21.5" (now, 24"). It offered much more powerful CPUs and GPUs with higher RAM and storage capacities.

Yes, you could buy a low-cost model with low(er) performance for those who just wanted a larger screen than the 21.5", but now that the iMac starts at 24" that market segment is now (more) effectively covered. So now the 27" model can be designed to just address the "need more power" crowd.
 
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Nothing to be confused about. Even if the M2 entry-level is launched this week, it will simply be a replacement for the M1 with minor incremental performance that would be unlikely to make existing M1 owners want to upgrade.

Based on the release history there was a year between M1 and M1 Pro/Max, so we would logically expect the same for the M2, i.e. no earlier than March 2023. That is hardly "around the corner".

You don't require much research to determine that M1 Pro/Max will be considerably more capable than M2 for most workloads, except those that are single-threaded and will benefit from slightly faster CPU cores.

Intel did exactly the same thing between their Core and Xeon product lines, and I don't think anyone in the market for these machines was confused by their positioning in their market segments.

Well reasoned thinking. It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds.
 
“Already”

Cites a product that was announced a week or two ago.

The design of the new MacBook Pros was finalized well over a year ago.
Yes, I'm comparing two products released within a few days of interval. The upcoming MBA vs the MateBook X. Tell me, how is it not a fair comparison?

(Disclaimer : I'm just talking about the notch. I would never buy a MateBook X, but the notch could really annoy me if the MBA ends up having it).
 
I'm legit confused why they're keeping around a Macbook "Pro" that has the consumer chips they're pretty clearly advertising as not pro. Is this just a matter of working through leftover hardware till they switch over completely to Pros being "pro" and Airs being the consumer option?
 
Yes, I'm comparing two products released within a few days of interval. The upcoming MBA vs the MateBook X. Tell me, how is it not a fair comparison?

(Disclaimer : I'm just talking about the notch. I would never buy a MateBook X, but the notch could really annoy me if the MBA ends up having it).

Why would the notch annoy you? What’s ever in that space other than empty menu bar, anyway?
 
I'm legit confused why they're keeping around a Macbook "Pro" that has the consumer chips they're pretty clearly advertising as not pro. Is this just a matter of working through leftover hardware till they switch over completely to Pros being "pro" and Airs being the consumer option?

When has apple ever “advertised” the M1 (or M2) as “not pro?” Let alone “pretty clearly” advertised? They spent an hour at the unveiling of M1 explaining how it competed with the best from intel.
 
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I'm legit confused why they're keeping around a Macbook "Pro" that has the consumer chips they're pretty clearly advertising as not pro. Is this just a matter of working through leftover hardware till they switch over completely to Pros being "pro" and Airs being the consumer option?

The 13.3" MacBook Pro's purpose in the lineup to to provide a smaller and lighter form factor at a lower price than the 14" MacBook Pro while offering better battery life and sustained performance than the MacBook Air.

Apple might eventually drop the model, especially when the new thicker M2 MacBook Air arrives, but for now, it does have a purpose and a market so Apple continues to offer it and update it.
 
I'm legit confused why they're keeping around a Macbook "Pro" that has the consumer chips they're pretty clearly advertising as not pro.

They want to have something “Pro” that’s a lot cheaper than the real Pros. Kind of annoying, but it is what it is.
 
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