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You can do it the other way around. Apple creates a tablet PC. Others follow. Apple creates a Mobile OS. Google follows.

You do realize Apple can't always be first? So what if someone else has a quad core processor? Notebooks and desktops already had quad core before tablets... so you could say Android manufacturers are following the notebook-industry.

And oh, you should be ashamed of yourself. You name eight subjects Apple has 'copied', but only two of these eight are correct. The rest are pure expectations.

I really don't care if you want to talk negatively about Apple (because you clearly want to). I do care about it when you are stating things as 'facts', even when these 'facts' are just pure speculation.

Now that's bold.

Apple creates a tablet PC. Others follow. - Apple was one of the last out there to come up with a tablet PC. Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, ASUS etc. they all had tablet PCs a few years before first iPad was released.

Apple creates a Mobile OS. Google follows. - Yeah. Let's all forget about Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM, Symbian etc. Apple was the first.

And as far as "expectations" are concerned, did you even check the subject of this thread?

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Please, take your PRADA, and ram it.

I used touch screens prior to the iPhone, nothing and I mean NOTHING had an interface that good or a screen that responsive. I had a top of the line Sony Ericsson and I owned an LG, and both were horrendous. The Sony used a stylus that clipped onto the side and the LG was utterly unresponsive.

Pre-iPhone, smartphones were awful. Pre-iPhone, Android looked like a RIM knock off. That's your facts.

You know why all these companies used resistive touchscreens? Because capacitive screens for the phones were not developed yet. And this is the reason why initial Android interface was designed for resistive touchscreens. However, once the capacitive technology improved everyone switched to it (including Apple). You probably also think that Apple "invented" SSDs, dual core chips, IPS panels etc. :D
 
My mistake, Weegie. I thought accepting cash for a UDID space could get you in trouble.

Obviously, having thought about it, there's no way Apple could ever really find that out though.

So can any one please offer udid spot.
 
Now that's bold.

Apple creates a tablet PC. Others follow. - Apple was one of the last out there to come up with a tablet PC. Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, ASUS etc. they all had tablet PCs a few years before first iPad was released.

Apple creates a Mobile OS. Google follows. - Yeah. Let's all forget about Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM, Symbian etc. Apple was the first.

And as far as "expectations" are concerned, did you even check the subject of this thread?
Apple was one of the ... iPad was released - you know what I mean, mate. The tablet PC as we know it. Not PCs in the form of a tablet.

Yeah. Let's all ... was the first. - yes, Apple was the first. Sure, there were other mobile OS', but we are talking here about operating systems specifically created for smartphones. Not dumbphones.

And yes, I checked the subject of the thread. It's all about some rumours. You are stating these rumours as facts: there is the difference.
 
Possibly something Apple threw in there to throw people off again?

Would really need to know the Build number. Is it for the iPad or iPhone?

Personally I do not see a Quad in the iPhone 5 this fall. Unless there are some new Magical features/Apps that require it. Could be the need for the Aluminum Unibody that has been rumored. ARM or not, it would generate HEAT.

iPad Quad? Sure, and would turn it into an actual 100% Tablet PC. :apple:
 
Can't we go one thread without someone starting up yet another BS who copied who flamebait dorkspree hoedown extravaganza?

I second that emotion.

As a user, I don't care who is "first", I care who is offering me a truly usable product.
 
Now that's bold.

Apple creates a tablet PC. Others follow. - Apple was one of the last out there to come up with a tablet PC. Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, ASUS etc. they all had tablet PCs a few years before first iPad was released.

Apple creates a Mobile OS. Google follows. - Yeah. Let's all forget about Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM, Symbian etc. Apple was the first.

And as far as "expectations" are concerned, did you even check the subject of this thread?

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You know why all these companies used resistive touchscreens? Because capacitive screens for the phones were not developed yet. And this is the reason why initial Android interface was designed for resistive touchscreens. However, once the capacitive technology improved everyone switched to it (including Apple). You probably also think that Apple "invented" SSDs, dual core chips, IPS panels etc. :D

after the iphone 3G blackberries lost all rights to be called smartphones
 
It has been so easy to predict the specs for upcoming iOS devices lately. Apple is just following Android manufacturers:

* Android gets dual core - Apple follows
* Android gets quad core - Apple follows
* Android tablets get cameras - Apple follows
* Android phones/tablets get better hi-res cameras - Apple follows
* Android phones get bigger screens - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android phones get NFC - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android devices get LTE - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android devices create market for 7" tablets - Apple follows (later this year)

I guess someone can look at it this way.

The other way would be that components get better all the time (CPUs, GPUs, cameras, wireless technologies, etc) and because there's a lot of Android manufacturers, they happen to update their devices much more often and with a lot more devices than Apple, thus being first with the new components.

It doesn't mean "Apple is copying Android", at least as far as the hardware is concerned.
 
You know why all these companies used resistive touchscreens? Because capacitive screens for the phones were not developed yet. And this is the reason why initial Android interface was designed for resistive touchscreens. However, once the capacitive technology improved everyone switched to it (including Apple). You probably also think that Apple "invented" SSDs, dual core chips, IPS panels etc. :D

I never claimed Apple "invented" anything.

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My mistake, Weegie. I thought accepting cash for a UDID space could get you in trouble.

Obviously, having thought about it, there's no way Apple could ever really find that out though.

As I said mate, there was a piece on here about it being a possible course of action by Apple, but it would be the guys who buy dev accounts then sell slots for $10 a piece who would get into bother. But nothing ever came of it.

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So can any one please offer udid spot.

If only it were that easy ...
 
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I made an assumption from what has been published about the ipad, ipad 2. My mistake.

No worries! :D

I am curious if Apple will increase the size of the quad core iPhone for a larger battery, or reduce the clock speed instead. I am also curious to know if Apple is going to debut the Cortex A15 as their quad core instead of the Cortex A9 that they are currently using.
 
And now all the Mac fanboys who said Android phones and tablets with quadcores were pointless are all excited. Apple playing catchup once again...
 
It has been so easy to predict the specs for upcoming iOS devices lately. Apple is just following Android manufacturers:

* Android gets dual core - Apple follows
* Android gets quad core - Apple follows
* Android tablets get cameras - Apple follows
* Android phones/tablets get better hi-res cameras - Apple follows
* Android phones get bigger screens - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android phones get NFC - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android devices get LTE - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android devices create market for 7" tablets - Apple follows (later this year)

To get an idea of which new features the next Apple phone/tablet will get, one can simply look at the current crop of the best Android devices. The only mystery about Apple designs left is the number and location of buttons (usually one, usually we know where).

I won't argue with anything on your list, though I would argue that it would be quite easy for someone with nothing but time on their hands to create a similar list of innovations from BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, or even iOS that have been integrated into Android, or other phone platforms.

Without competitive leaching of features from all platforms, there is no point in having multiple platforms to help the technologies advance. I don't want to live in a world with Android only, or iOS only handsets, because the push to innovate would be non-existant.
 
It has been so easy to predict the specs for upcoming iOS devices lately. Apple is just following Android manufacturers:

* Android gets dual core - Apple follows
* Android gets quad core - Apple follows
* Android tablets get cameras - Apple follows
* Android phones/tablets get better hi-res cameras - Apple follows
* Android phones get bigger screens - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android phones get NFC - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android devices get LTE - Apple follows (expected this year)
* Android devices create market for 7" tablets - Apple follows (later this year)

To get an idea of which new features the next Apple phone/tablet will get, one can simply look at the current crop of the best Android devices. The only mystery about Apple designs left is the number and location of buttons (usually one, usually we know where).


You do realize none of those listed "Android" stuff would have happened without the iPhone right ?


"* Android tablets get cameras - Apple follows"

That should read Apple makes tablet- Android follows. Etc.
 
The First Rule of HTML5 was: Don't Break the Web.
Now, it's time for Apple to stop Breaking the Web and Bring Java Back.

There's no excuse now, with quad core processors.
Thanks.

Introducing better processors is no reason or excuse to maintain bloated or inefficient software.
 
Wouldn't there also have to be a cores.2 reference?

MacBookPro13";14118883 said:
No, core.3 stands for Quad-Core. There is no such thing as "core.2"

cores.0 = single core
cores.1 = dual core
cores.3 = quad core

common sense would tell you cores.2 should be q tri core. as far as i know, there are no tri core processors out there.

I don't think you guys are correct here.

It is core.x, not cores.x. The .x seems to be a reference to a specific core, especially since it is under the directory cores. Go to cores, which core? core.0, core.1, core.2 etc.

I'm not familiar with the language shown though, so this could be very wrong.

Honestly, it seems like more wasted heat and energy to me. What is the iPhone 4S limited to right now because of the dual core? If their going to put a quad core in it, there better be a killer feature that requires it.

Surely if apple did quad core, it's because they optimized iOS and iOS apps to actually use it. But it doesn't really mean all that much more heat and energy due to power gating unused portions. It would also finish the same task faster, using energy for less time and creating heat for less time subsequently.

Objective-C sits on top of C. C sits on top of Assembly. Machine translated code doesn't speak to the hardware as Objective-C or C.

Yes, but given this assembly seems to be commented, I have to ask if their Objective C compiler would insert comments into the assembly? What purpose is there to look at the assembly if you are coding in Objective C?

Poor example, Tegra 3 is a 5 core CPU. The 5th core is a low power/speed core that handles most of the work. (basically I am saying that Tegra 3 cheats)

Cheats is disingenuous. It does it by being designed smarter. Heterogeneous processing is the way of the future for mobile applications.
 
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You do realize none of those listed "Android" stuff would have happened without the iPhone right ?


"* Android tablets get cameras - Apple follows"

That should read Apple makes tablet- Android follows. Etc.

I do. I am on MacRumors forum - the place where many people believe that iPhone was the first smartphone out there.
 
And Apple continues to play follow the mobile industry leader (Samsung). Keep it up Apple, you may eventually catch up.
 
I do. I am on MacRumors forum - the place where many people believe that iPhone was the first smartphone out there.

The iPhone came out a year before the first Android smartphone. ;)


In 2007, Apple Inc. introduced its first iPhone.

The Android operating system for smartphones was released in 2008.
 
Why do people get so hung up on "Improving an existing product vs. Innovating a new one"? (i.e. Who copied who and who "came up with" XYZ)

Why is there such a negative connatation with the former, Improving an existing product? Why do companies have to be "innovative" to be great?

Don't take my questions as me conceding that Apple is NOT an innovative company. Quite the contrary... I feel like thery are just as innovative as any other tech company one would label as such. Not to mention they bring in many other aspects of business that other companies fail to see or do not make a priority and this is why they have achieved a cult-like following. You can hate Apple all you want -- call them copiers, whatever... the fact is, when you look at the big picture, they're obviously doing something that other companies aren't. Be it creating something new, improving something existing, or my favorite -- taking an existing product and showing consumers how/why the NEED them in their lives!
 
It has been so easy to predict the specs for upcoming iOS devices lately. Apple is just following Android manufacturers:

* Android gets dual core - Apple follows
* Android gets quad core - Apple follows
...
* Android phones/tablets get better hi-res cameras - Apple follows

That's one of biggest BS I've read, even from you. Those are largely dictated by the component suppliers not by the OS. Do you say Samsung followed LG because LG released a dual core phone first? No, LG just happened to coincide to release the first phone when Tegra2 chips were becoming available to the phone makers.

As for the topic of quad core, it's actually pretty interesting because I thought Apple might stay dual core but instead go with faster A15 cores unlike nVidia who chose to release quad core early but with the common A9 cores. I wonder if they can do both at the same time?
 
I don't think you guys are correct here.

It is core.x, not cores.x. The .x seems to be a reference to a specific core, especially since it is under the directory cores. Go to cores, which core? core.0, core.1, core.2 etc.

I'm not familiar with the language shown though, so this could be very wrong.



Surely if apple did quad core, it's because they optimized iOS and iOS apps to actually use it. But it doesn't really mean all that much more heat and energy due to power gating unused portions. It would also finish the same task faster, using energy for less time and creating heat for less time subsequently.



Yes, but given this assembly seems to be commented, I have to ask if their Objective C compiler would insert comments into the assembly? What purpose is there to look at the assembly if you are coding in Objective C?



Cheats is disingenuous. It does it by being designed smarter. Heterogeneous processing is the way of the future for mobile applications.

A lot of work is presently under heavy development and testing for ARM's chipsets, OpenCL C99 and LLVM/Clang. LLVM/Clang 3.1 is going to be a beast leaving it clear that you will never touch GCC again, unless you're a GPLv3 zealot.
 
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