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I don't understand why everybody what's to lead towards the magsafe on a mini. Don't get me wrong it's possible but then it would need a battery for a just in case scenario. (i.e. pulling out usb and slip the magesafe off by accident.)
Are you familiar with the power connector on the current mini? It would be just as easy to pull out as a USB cord or a Magsafe cord. Really, I don't see this being a problem.

I do think Apple will sell more displays, to go with a "mini with magsafe" if they make a 20" model just like the new 23" and give it a more reasonable price. Unfortunately, until the glossy fad fades away, they won't sell one to me. :(
 
"Of course it will, if you can call LACK OF FIREWIRE an 'exciting feature'!!!!!!!" :D:D:D Sorry I couldn't resist. I'm sure the FireWhining is gonna kick up something fierce in this thread. Oh well...NVIDIA yaaayyyy!!! :D :D :D :apple:

I know, makes too much sense to release firewire.

Why are people PINHEADS? Especially fan boys lifers? I remember saying DEDICATED GPU and got answers like
maybe Apple doesn't care about gaming market" - I then went on to state that it was larger than music biz, then it came out and NO FIREWIRE impounded my "AFRAID OF PRO MARKET, even though less than 1%, only no FIREWIRE hurt not only PROS but MOM AND DAD CAM CORDER, millions of musicians, IT who used target mode, and many more. Okay fanbot have another. It wasn't until Steve pulled out of MW that the lifers got a taste of how it feels to be excluded. About time.


A mini should be a mid range machine, not the low end piece of crap headless macbook.

Don't mean to sound well, negative, just sick and tired of APPLE making MORON moves all timid and afraid, all worried and BOYZ not reading between lines and realizing things like lack of FIREWIRE was to keep PRO users from having a cheap solution yet this time it hurt a larger audience. Makes me crazy that Apple does such stupid things for stupid reasons. If they did there research, they would find users would own both HIGHEND and lowend and would sell MORE machines, not less. There marketing department is one person, Jobs, and glad he will be stepping down soon.

Apple will make more $$$ once Jobs steps down.
 
I wasnt aware you make apples strategy for them......

One only has to read between the lines that its made by one person right now and yes, I used to be in marketing. Apple has gone from a PRO developer, ONE TO ONE for LOGIC, SHAKE, FCP, PRO CARE USED TO BE SAME AS TRAINING to little old lady's learning how to do emails, attachments and how to import her photo's from her retirement trip to Florida.


You don't have to be a genius to see that Apple has lost it and cares only about iPhones, iLife (trainers are 90% trained on iLife and many do not KNOW PRO APPS), and puppy dog owners. LOL LOL LOL :D:D:D Sad but true.

Apple has fallen from the cool hip creative place to barking dogs, crying babies, and iLife Pro's - how sad.
:D:D:D
 
no more rumors?

is there no other rumor other than this last thread?

If this is any indication, this January may be either boring (no rumors or speculation or leaks) or fantastic ('one more thing' that none saw coming :)

Oh well. We'll see...
 
Apple has fallen from the cool hip creative place to barking dogs, crying babies, and iLife Pro's - how sad.
:D:D:D

What an elitist post.

Does it really matter whos buying them? The point is that their strategy clearly works. Sure some people get hurt feelings that their old friend apple isnt catering specifically to them, but its a company, nothing more.
 
I used to think those rumors about the Mac Mini and the AppleTV being merged were bunk but the more I think about it, the more it seems like the logical move to make and the fact that we're seeing evidence for only one model of the Mini with a real graphics card is a nod in that direction.

Apple could eliminate the AppleTV and incorporate its features into a "high-end" Mac Mini. You could have 2 models of Mini that could replace the existing lines. There would be the low-end, entry-level Mini at $300-400 with integrated graphics, and then the "media center" (hate that phrase) Mini with a real graphics cards and a DVD slot (please... Apple if you go this route, please include a @#$%& DVD slot) at $400-500.

At this point, you have a lot of Mac owners out there who I think have no interest in the Mini and no interest in the AppleTV because of the shortcomings of each, but put them together and I think you'd gain a lot of interest. I have no interest in either but if Apple were to put out a machine that allowed me to replace my DVD player, stream, store and download videos, pics and music and also offered a full computing experience (i.e., being able to stream Netflix and Hulu to the TV screen) then you could count me in.
 
One only has to read between the lines that its made by one person right now and yes, I used to be in marketing. Apple has gone from a PRO developer, ONE TO ONE for LOGIC, SHAKE, FCP, PRO CARE USED TO BE SAME AS TRAINING to little old lady's learning how to do emails, attachments and how to import her photo's from her retirement trip to Florida.


You don't have to be a genius to see that Apple has lost it and cares only about iPhones, iLife (trainers are 90% trained on iLife and many do not KNOW PRO APPS), and puppy dog owners. LOL LOL LOL :D:D:D Sad but true.

Apple has fallen from the cool hip creative place to barking dogs, crying babies, and iLife Pro's - how sad.
:D:D:D

Apple's interest in the iphone is very smart-as handheld computing is the future of the computer. The tv/phone/computer/mp3/etc will merge into one device, this can be seen already. This is where the future of tech is taking us and that is a good thing.

As for Apple as a whole, I have also noticed in the last couple of years, that as it has grown, it has also moved away from the pro group. it is the nature of the beast-company to corporation-(few pro) to (meager millions). This is not necessarily bad but apple should not forget who got them where they are today.
 
Why do people keep saying $400-$500??? If the entry line mini now costs $599 why would an upgraded mini cost less? if anything it would cost more. This is Apple we are talking about, price never goes down. sad but true.
 
Of course it does.



And that's the sad part because for a lot of us it used to be more.

To the underlined: Why, why does it matter? Does being a "Pro" buying a product make you better somehow than a regular consumer?


And to this nostalgia, why people seem to have this glory days connection with a company i dont get? doesnt that define fanboyism?

Its a company who happens to make nice products.
 
If it has decent graphics (MINI) it will not have firewire.

Apple will never in the greedy over medicined minds, ever let you have a machine that could potentially run pro apps on it which it could if it had good graphics AND firewire. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Expected to be underwhelemed. The MACHINE will be good but LIMITED.

READ MY LIPS: APPLE WILL NOT RELEASE A MACHINE THAT COULD EVER BE USED FOR PRO APPLICATIONS THAT COSTS LITTLE MONEY. IT WILL NOT HAVE FIREWIRE, IT WILL NOT HAVE FIREWIRE, IT WILL NOT HAVE FIREWIRE.

Apple is afraid that it would lose sales to less than one percent of the user base to ever allow that to happen. NOT UNTIL JOBS IS GONE will you see machines that make sense. ala MACBOOK WITH DECENT GPU yet no FIREWIRE. :D

ran logic on mini a couple years back , no trouble !.

Of course it does.



And that's the sad part because for a lot of us it used to be more.


thought they always dumped on the previous gen customers , certainly looks that way , unless the fanboism takes hold then its seen as progression ;)






rj
 
I used to think those rumors about the Mac Mini and the AppleTV being merged were bunk but the more I think about it, the more it seems like the logical move to make and the fact that we're seeing evidence for only one model of the Mini with a real graphics card is a nod in that direction.

Apple could eliminate the AppleTV and incorporate its features into a "high-end" Mac Mini. You could have 2 models of Mini that could replace the existing lines. There would be the low-end, entry-level Mini at $300-400 with integrated graphics, and then the "media center" (hate that phrase) Mini with a real graphics cards and a DVD slot (please... Apple if you go this route, please include a @#$%& DVD slot) at $400-500.

At this point, you have a lot of Mac owners out there who I think have no interest in the Mini and no interest in the AppleTV because of the shortcomings of each, but put them together and I think you'd gain a lot of interest. I have no interest in either but if Apple were to put out a machine that allowed me to replace my DVD player, stream, store and download videos, pics and music and also offered a full computing experience (i.e., being able to stream Netflix and Hulu to the TV screen) then you could count me in.

I with you... Perhaps even a B-Ray Player.
 
To the underlined: Why, why does it matter? Does being a "Pro" buying a product make you better somehow than a regular consumer?

I don't buy into "pro" and "consumer" labels; I think they are largely pushed by Apple to get people to fit into their marketing goals. Lots of "pros" also do consumer-type things and vice versa. But it does matter who your customer base is because that's how products are defined. For example, when Apple built systems with a mostly open, proprietary bus (Nubus) architecture, there was a vibrant third-party market in producing cards for that market that satisfied a number of customer needs. This created a loyal Apple community that revolved around Apple architecture, was very creative, and influenced the products of both Apple and third-party companies. In those days Apple was geared to the creative, computer-savvy customer. Now, it's true that today proprietary technologies have mostly been replaced by industry standards, like USB. This creates a more "generic" type of consumer because these devices can be plugged into any computer manufacturer's architecture. But unfortunately it also allows Apple (meaning Jobs) to fall back to its preference for closed, appliance-like products. One result is a loss of that community that was passionately bound up in Apple's HW designs. (People still follow Apple's HW closely from an intellectual standpoint, but there's little involvement and certainly no input into Apple's decisions.)

And to this nostalgia, why people seem to have this glory days connection with a company i dont get? doesnt that define fanboyism?

If you don't get it, you don't get it. Fanyboyism? Yes and no - even Apple's loyal customers weren't happy with everything they did, but they were firm in a belief that Apple was better than the competition. Today I can say two things that I thought I would never say in my life - 1) I use Windows as much as I use Mac OS (even though it is on my Macbook), and 2) for future computer products I will consider other companies' HW. Because, as you say, now Apple is just another company.
 
Today I can say two things that I thought I would never say in my life - 1) I use Windows as much as I use Mac OS (even though it is on my Macbook), and 2) for future computer products I will consider other companies' HW. Because, as you say, now Apple is just another company.
Me too. Apple's recent desisions (glossy screens) and refusal to budge on prices has set me firmly on the road toward OS independence. Where as I used to think using Windows was out of the question, I now think of it as necessary to get what I want in the hardware. And Windows ain't so bad.
 
ran logic on mini a couple years back , no trouble !.




thought they always dumped on the previous gen customers , certainly looks that way , unless the fanboism takes hold then its seen as progression ;)






rj



While that may be TRUE, LOGIC on a MINI a few weeks ago, you (and others I assume), CLEARLY MISSED MY POINT.

No kidding, you can RUN LOGIC on a older MACBOOK and current mini ....

however with the LACK OF FIREWIRE, (NEW MB) you are limited to crappy USB devices

New MACBOOK and presumably, the NEW MINI (lack of fire wire) will have to use USB.

PRO DEVICES ARE FIREWIRE and old mini's and MACBOOKS had FIREWIRE, the new MINI WILL NOT - and even though it's not texas instruments, it was 1000 fold better than USB as USB takes CPU cycles and DOES NOT have the throughput to play 192k/24 bit audio, 30+ tracks. You COULD do this with FIREWIRE.

Apple could prove me wrong, realize that not only did they shut out <less than 1% of the PRO market with LACK of 1394 on new macbook but realize that mom/pop cam corder, I.T. users and target disk and the millions of musicians NEED the 1394 on the mini. Probably not though as Apple just doesn't care anymore.

They care about consumer, charge $700 for a machine that has 1394, pciexpress slot, 2 more inches (macbook pro) yet its the same production uni-body and their cost is much cheaper now, yet do they pass the savings? No....

I could go on and on....

Another example, iMacs are strong machines but no MATTE = no PRO GRAPHIC work, gotta get a MAC PRO if you want MATTE.

Older macbooks and iMACS used non TEXAS INSTRUMENTS FIREWIRE which some said caused audio/video problems but saved apple a few dollars. They even released MAC BOOK PROS with non TEXAS INSTRUMENT FIREWIRE from JAN 08-ARPRIL 08, then brought it back in MAY.

There are a lot of things Apple does or rather, doesn't do, if you are smart enough, read the tech blogs, sites, info, INTEL, ATI, NVIDIA, TEXAS INSTRUMENT news and so on...
 
A mini should be a mid range machine, not the low end piece of crap headless macbook.

No, there should be a PROPER mid-range machine, with essentially half the specs of a Mac Pro (1 CPU, 1 PCIe x16, 1 PCIe x4, 2 hard disks, single optical drive, singel gigabit, etc).

The Mini should stay at the low-end. It's a more than adequate machine for the average user (albeit a somewhat expensive entry point). The integrated graphics are irrelevant to anyone not playing games.
 
Apple could eliminate the AppleTV and incorporate its features into a "high-end" Mac Mini. You could have 2 models of Mini that could replace the existing lines. There would be the low-end, entry-level Mini at $300-400 with integrated graphics, and then the "media center" (hate that phrase) Mini with a real graphics cards and a DVD slot (please... Apple if you go this route, please include a @#$%& DVD slot) at $400-500.

There is no need for a discrete video card in a machine targeted at this segment (indeed, given the extra power draw and heat, it would almost certainly be a disadvantage). All the current integrated chipsets (and most even a generation or two old) are quite adequate for a media-centre style computer.

Heck, I used to use a Core Duo (not even Core 2) Mini for my MCE machine a while back (with 3 USB tuners connected) and even it could handle anything short of high-bitrate 1080p video.
 
Eidorian:

Optical media is too sensitive, balky for its size, slow and the drive itself is massive for what it provides. I don't know, am I being to out-there? What do other think?


That it is, but its currently the standard. Are there better potential options out there? Aboslutely there are. Technologically, we've advanced past optical media. Why is it still here? Shortsightedness and greed. Some companies/organizations want the consumer to have to re-buy their video library. Some have developed a vital piece of technology they want to keep proprietary. Until we work past the non-technical issues, they're sticking around.
 
Optical drives....this is a poor-dying media but it will be part of the new mini. I'm sure apple wants to phase out optical drives but will not be the first. Look at the backlash that they got from axing firewire from the macbook. The sooner people abandon optical media the sooner companies stop making billions of a dying tech. Not only are cd/dvds a horrible media type, the are also wasteful-Flash is the future.

Optical media is definitely not dying.

If you hadn't noticed, CDs still greatly outsell digital music. Rightly so. I used to buy music from the iTunes Store then I realized what a fool I had been for buying DRM'ed 128kbps files when, most of the time, a much better sounding CD cost around the same amount and sometimes cheaper. You look through the Sunday ads and you'll always find a ton of CDs for less than $10.

Plus there was an article recently explaining why movies had been disappearing or replaced on iTunes. Digital downloads only represent 0.06% of movie studios revenue stream. DVDs outsell downloads by a margin thats about as wide as the Earth is far from the Sun.

And for the most part, people can't abandon optical media.

As people already discussed in this thread, internet connections outside of Japan and South Korea just aren't up to the task. Why would people wait an hour or two or three to download a movie, that they paid for, that isn't even CLOSE to DVD quality? Have you seen the iTunes stuff? Sure it looks good on a small notebook screen. But it doesn't even come close to an upscaled DVD on a decent HD set. Plus you don't get Dolby Digital or DTS sound. Even the "HD" stuff from Apple TV doesn't scale very well to 1080p, plus those movies that DO have DD sound don't have as high of an audio bitrate as the DVD of the movie. So while the picture might or might not be better than an upscaled DVD, it still doesn't sound as good and, unless you have a 10Mbps connection (most people don't) that 4Mbps "HD" movie on your Apple TV is going to take hours to download.

And there are other problems with downloadable movies. If I buy a movie on iTunes I can play it on my computers, but only in Apple's software, and on an iPod or iPhone. I can't play it on an Xbox, I can't play it on a PS3, I can't stream it using another media set top box, and I can't convert it to DVD Video and play it on my DVD player. Likewise with Amazon and other downloadable video from other online stores.

So basically, if I buy a movie from iTunes and I want to watch it on my Xbox360.. oh guess what? I can't. I have to buy the version from Xbox Live Marketplace. Now what if I want to watch that one on my PS3? Can't. I have to buy it from the PSN store. Now if I want to watch any of those on my DVD player? Can't. Have to go buy the DVD.

But if I buy the DVD I can watch it anywhere. I can watch it on my computer, I can watch it on a portable DVD player, an upscaling DVD player, a PS3, a PS2, an Xbox360, that DVD player I bought half a decade ago that still works.

People may be willing to abandon CDs in favor of downloads. But thats far different. Most music these days is DRM free and can be played on anything. Plus you can burn it to CD and legally strip that DRM away without any hassles by reripping the song back into the format you want, just with a loss of quality.

And even high quality DRM free songs are only a few MB in size that can be downloaded in a matter of seconds even on a 768Kbps DSL connection.

Video is an entirely different beast though. "DVD quality" is several GB in size and has ridiculously restrictive DRM that essentially requires you to obtain a different copy for each device you want to play it on. And there is currently NO download service that offers anything even remotely near the quality you get with current blu-ray discs.

And flash memory may be the future, but its not yet. And not for a long time for most people.

A QUALITY 4GB flash chip that will not corrupt or die easily still costs around $30.

A high quality Taiyo Yuden 4.38GB DVD-R is about 20 cents. I can go get 438GB worth of DVD-R storage for about $20. Not even HDDs are that cheap.

And even though blu-ray discs are expensive for optical media, they're still cheaper than flash. Around $15 gets you 25GB worth of storage.

Downloads may be the "future" as well as flash memory. But that is a very DISTANT future. We have to see downloads finally reach the TRUE quality of DVD and blu-ray, we have to see ISPs finally offer necessary bandwidth to at least deliver that media in real-time with no hiccups, and we have to see content providers finally agree on a format standard and usage "rights" that are as flexible as current DRM free music rights and a format that will play on anything without conversion and the resulting loss of quality.

I then went on to state that it was larger than music biz, then it came out and NO FIREWIRE impounded my "AFRAID OF PRO MARKET, even though less than 1%, only no FIREWIRE hurt not only PROS but MOM AND DAD CAM CORDER, millions of musicians, IT who used target mode, and many more

Uh oh. Here we go with this nonsense again.

M-Audio, E-Mu and others sell USB versions of all of their recording equipment.

Nearly all camcorders and HD cameras from the last several years have been USB capable or USB only.

Target Disk Mode is a non-issue considering, if theres an issue with the drive or file system, it'd be better to boot from an OPTICAL disc and do things that way.

however with the LACK OF FIREWIRE, (NEW MB) you are limited to crappy USB devices

M-Audio and E-MU are regarded as two of the best in the business. They make USB versions of every product they have, or in some cases, they don't support Firewire at all.

USB is hardly crappy. It's just that you and others here can't accept the fact that USB devices caught up to and surpassed Firewire years ago and that Firewire is no longer relevant.

USB takes CPU cycles and DOES NOT have the throughput to play 192k/24 bit audio, 30+ tracks. You COULD do this with FIREWIRE.

How do you know USB 2.0 doesn't? Real world bandwidth is EVERY bit as good as Firewire. It's only on the Macs that USB 2.0 wasn't as good as Firewire, but on the PC side, USB 2.0 has ALWAYS performed as well as Firewire. And benchmarks show that the new MacBooks and MBPs have USB 2.0 performing nearly as well as PCs.

And, again, M-Audio and E-MU have been making USB 2.0 versions of everything for years that perform just as well.

LACK of 1394 on new macbook but realize that mom/pop cam corder,

Again, nearly every camcorder and HD camera from the last few years has either been USB capable or USB only. Firewire for video IS A NON ISSUE.

I.T. users and target disk

Because they can't boot off of a DVD? Or take the drive out and put it in an external enclosure?

Another example, iMacs are strong machines but no MATTE = no PRO GRAPHIC work, gotta get a MAC PRO if you want MATTE.

Why is that?

Matte screens distort color and blur text. Some people MISTAKENLY believe that matte is more like print. But thats not true. You can't compare the two mediums at all. That is a true apple to oranges comparison. Print is not only using an entirely different technology than LCD to get the text and colors to you, but it also relies on ambient lighting to be seen, where LCDs generate their own light.

Arstechnica had a good article/discussion on this issue and it pretty much mopped the floor with all of the pro matte arguments.

Glossy is more realistic and outperforms matte in every way. Plus, didn't you notice? Apple is moving their cinema displays to glossy as well.
 
Why is that?

Matte screens distort color and blur text. Some people MISTAKENLY believe that matte is more like print. But thats not true. You can't compare the two mediums at all. That is a true apple to oranges comparison. Print is not only using an entirely different technology than LCD to get the text and colors to you, but it also relies on ambient lighting to be seen, where LCDs generate their own light.

Arstechnica had a good article/discussion on this issue and it pretty much mopped the floor with all of the pro matte arguments.

Glossy is more realistic and outperforms matte in every way. Plus, didn't you notice? Apple is moving their cinema displays to glossy as well.

I have to agree, I do paid graphics work on a glossy display and my clients are sticking with me *shrugs*
 
I have to agree, I do paid graphics work on a glossy display and my clients are sticking with me *shrugs*

Yeah. I know an artist who switched from a matte to a glossy display earlier this year and her workload has doubled since then because the company she works for has liked her work that much better since she switched to glossy.
 
Software such as vlc don't require the region code on a drive and disk to match. This article covers how vlc does its thing on a Mac.

Except with newer Matshita drives. VLC can't bypass the region coding on those (trust me, been there, done that twice now. I required region free firmware on the drive to enable multiregion playback through VLC)...
 
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