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Evidence that Next iMacs and Mac Minis to use NVIDIA Chipsets
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I hope apple doesn't leave the previous model at about the same price a la macbook white and introduces the "new" mini with a 800 say price tag, because the demand is indeed high....Whatever the price though the put on it we should do a +100 for that fu...ing display port adapter....
I seriously doubt very many who are in the market for an entry level computer are going to pay $900 for a monitor.
Most of the time they already do. Apple uses desktop branding on mobile GPUs. The 2600 Pro in my iMac is a mobile 2600XT and the 8800GS in the 24" is actually an 8800M GTS. The all in one and small form factor enclosures Apple uses cannot cool desktop GPUs.
White Macbooks are not that down-rev in specs compared to the aluminum models, especially comparing the CPUs. But the old minis would be so out of date compared to a new model that they wouldn't be attractive at all.
At first the notion of the display going with the mini made sense. It makes more sense then them trying to fit it with the notebooks.
Then it didn't make so much sense when I realized it is a $900 monitor with a $600 mini.
I think it is plausible that there will be a very low end mini they could do the whole sell the current overstock like someone mentioned like they are doing with the Macbook and sell it for $399 or less? Then it would make more sense for people to buy that and the monitor instead of going for a 24" high end iMac.
Then it didn't make so much sense when I realized it is a $900 monitor with a $600 mini.
I think it is plausible that there will be a very low end mini they could do the whole sell the current overstock like someone mentioned like they are doing with the Macbook and sell it for $399 or less? Then it would make more sense for people to buy that and the monitor instead of going for a 24" high end iMac.
I can see it now: $15 off.
ahhahahahahah, post of the day.... $15 in the mini/display combo plus another $100 saved from the adaptor for the mini display that you 'd use in pretty much EVERY other display on the planet, ahahahahaha...
point taken, but my/apple's suggested strategy could go well with their recent one step forward two step backword, shoot myself in the foot kind of strategy, introduce gorgeous unique unibody design and f. up with standard glossy across the board, luck of firewire for macbook, and mini dsiplay port....
Btw if they do keep the price at about $500 it will be really fun how the display port adaptor will cost 1/5 of the computer's price, the friggin adaptor!!!!
another poster mentioned something about nvidia's ion and the atom (a first time poster): Makes the mini look big a fat, no easy fit:
MS already are becoming a major hardware company...
and...You'd better check the accuracy of some of my past predictions before you make such absolutes.
Can you not see how easy it would be for MS to hobble future Mac h/w, Snow Leopard & Open CL simply by taking control of Nvidia and just 'slowing' things down a little?
If Apple have the courage and intelligence to buy Nvidia (at half the market price of 6 months ago I should add!) then that will signal to me that Apple will indeed continue it's current rate of forward momentum and capture 25-30% market share by the end of 2010.
I'll say it again MS will buy Nvidia late 2009 if Apple don't.
MS+ Nvidia = next gen Xbox ( 720 ) and Windows Mobile phone - in fact, I'm really surprised it hasn't happened already.
Apple would leave Nvidia alone essentially - perhaps slick a few things up in the corporate sense - maybe bring some focus, but still definitely two separate companies just with a high end focus towards Apple and Apple's needs.
Kind of like Pixar and Disney...
Again Apple could integrate better and retain top end exclusivity on graphics hardware.
Steve Jobs is very fond of saying that if your serious about software you should be serious about hardware. Well graphics is where it's at and where it's going and I think they need this edge..
I agree that they should invest, but you mentioned pixar when Jobs invested in Pixar it took 10 years before they even made any money. Lets face it Apple is changing the way they look at things.
We Mac users have noticed this over the past few years. The let down of iMovie08, to make you move to final cut, glossy screens (which I don't mind, but..) To get back to my original thought Apple is out to make money, not always to make the best product that they could. (i.e. this new $100 adapter, why not $29.99 like all the others)
Mini
I know there are a lot of hardcore Mini fans out there, but isn't the Mini supposed to be a switch machine? I'm trying to convince my Mom to get one - if they nix the optical, no deal. She'd laugh me out of the room! Apple might lump time capsule and TV, and maybe airport, but they'd have to be nuts to remove the optical. People still back up files to CD/DVD you know.
I know there are a lot of hardcore Mini fans out there, but isn't the Mini supposed to be a switch machine? I'm trying to convince my Mom to get one - if they nix the optical, no deal. She'd laugh me out of the room! Apple might lump time capsule and TV, and maybe airport, but they'd have to be nuts to remove the optical. People still back up files to CD/DVD you know.
If it has decent graphics (MINI) it will not have firewire.
Apple will never in the greedy over medicined minds, ever let you have a machine that could potentially run pro apps on it which it could if it had good graphics AND firewire. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
Expected to be underwhelemed. The MACHINE will be good but LIMITED.
READ MY LIPS: APPLE WILL NOT RELEASE A MACHINE THAT COULD EVER BE USED FOR PRO APPLICATIONS THAT COSTS LITTLE MONEY. IT WILL NOT HAVE FIREWIRE, IT WILL NOT HAVE FIREWIRE, IT WILL NOT HAVE FIREWIRE.
Apple is afraid that it would lose sales to less than one percent of the user base to ever allow that to happen. NOT UNTIL JOBS IS GONE will you see machines that make sense. ala MACBOOK WITH DECENT GPU yet no FIREWIRE.
It was a switcher machine but as time has passed it has also become very popular with long-time Mac users. It's used both as a primary computer and as a secondary, HTPC or children's computer. I know people who are doing graphic design for a living on Mac minis because they like the monitors they already have and can't afford $2300 Mac Pros. And no, the optical drive won't be removed.
Perhaps a Netbook?...
If you ask me, the Nvidia chipset is an allusion to Nvidia's new 9400M with compatibility aimed at the netbook market. Get more coverage on the netbook movement (especially by Apple) at http://www.netbookstation.com
If you ask me, the Nvidia chipset is an allusion to Nvidia's new 9400M with compatibility aimed at the netbook market. Get more coverage on the netbook movement (especially by Apple) at http://www.netbookstation.com
removing the optical from a notebook makes sense but not from a desktop
Who ever suggested that..
Who ever suggested that..
Some People Don't get it
Okay....
So Apple won't make a netbook since they barely have a complete desktop lineup.
I may be in line to get an Apple netbook, and if it's priced right two of them, but I know that Apple is missing that wonderful mini tower which will always leave Apple with a missing machine.
We have plenty of laptops from them already.
Okay....
So Apple won't make a netbook since they barely have a complete desktop lineup.
I may be in line to get an Apple netbook, and if it's priced right two of them, but I know that Apple is missing that wonderful mini tower which will always leave Apple with a missing machine.
We have plenty of laptops from them already.
New Mac-Mini CPU choices.
Using the Atom 330 (or variants at higher Ghz) do make sense for the lower model of Mini. eg a 1.8Ghz or 2.0Ghz Atom would be slower than C2D penryn but heck of a lot cheaper.
Coupled with ion platform, the overall system speed would be faster, athough the raw CPU cannot compete with C2D. I would really like to see the 2.0Ghz penryn in ION for the high-end Mini at the same price as now. Potentially only 1Ghz of DDR3 RAM hardwaired and only one slot for additional 1Ghz, 2Ghz module.
To me Nvidia makes all the difference and this Mini will sell well in whatever shape of form. YES
Using the Atom 330 (or variants at higher Ghz) do make sense for the lower model of Mini. eg a 1.8Ghz or 2.0Ghz Atom would be slower than C2D penryn but heck of a lot cheaper.
Coupled with ion platform, the overall system speed would be faster, athough the raw CPU cannot compete with C2D. I would really like to see the 2.0Ghz penryn in ION for the high-end Mini at the same price as now. Potentially only 1Ghz of DDR3 RAM hardwaired and only one slot for additional 1Ghz, 2Ghz module.
To me Nvidia makes all the difference and this Mini will sell well in whatever shape of form. YES
You'd be much better off with a Pentium Dual-Core for that. Why go Atom in the mini?Using the Atom 330 (or variants at higher Ghz) do make sense for the lower model of Mini. eg a 1.8Ghz or 2.0Ghz Atom would be slower than C2D penryn but heck of a lot cheaper.
Coupled with ion platform, the overall system speed would be faster, athough the raw CPU cannot compete with C2D. I would really like to see the 2.0Ghz penryn in ION for the high-end Mini at the same price as now. Potentially only 1Ghz of DDR3 RAM hardwaired and only one slot for additional 1Ghz, 2Ghz module.
To me Nvidia makes all the difference and this Mini will sell well in whatever shape of form. YES
"Of course it will, if you can call LACK OF FIREWIRE an 'exciting feature'!!!!!!!"
Sorry I couldn't resist. I'm sure the FireWhining is gonna kick up something fierce in this thread. Oh well...NVIDIA yaaayyyy!!! 
Once again, I do not think it is possible to see an good Mac at $399. It does not make sense to buy a $900 monitor with a $400 computer. If someone did buy a computer that cheap, they would probably go and buy some cheap $100 monitor. Another thing to think about is if a computer is $400, it can not be a very good quality. Think of the cost of an HD, RAM, and graphics card together. If you buy these three items separate, you would end up paying around $400. (and remember this excludes all other costs like the logic board and other minor things) Lately, Apple has wanted to have the latest a greatest stuff in their computers. With a $400 budget, you would not be getting very much.
I think that the next generation of the Mac Mini will be the same price as it currently is, $599. Saying this, I think Apple will improve it a lot. I think that it will have at least a 2.0GHz processor and 2GB of RAM standard. This will improve the speed by far and make the Mac Mini a computer that people will consider buying. People don't want to buy a slow Mac, even if its cheap.
The Mac Mini should be similar in size to the current Airport Extreme but with an aluminum frame and a black Apple logo in the center. I am surprised that Apple did not use it with the new MacBook because its on the iMacs and Time Capsule. I also think it would look better with the Black display liner and the black keyboard.
For whoever is still interested in future low-end Mac ideas, check this one out. It looks real to me. I know that people could easily photoshop this in, but I think its real:
http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/photos/photo1jz6.jpg
Does anyone besides me think this is real?