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I believe this to be true. Everyone misses that feeling we all had back in 07. Including myself. But products like the iPhone don't pop up every year or 2. More like every decade or 2. Before iPhone, what was the prior "big thing"? HDTV? And look how that's been progressing. Prices have come down, TV's have gotten bigger and thinner, and we now have half baked 3D. But other then that, there hasn't been any big leap in the TV industry in a long time.

The iMac changed personal computing as did the iPhone and the iPad.

It could be argued that the iPad was an incremental step, and perhaps it was but I'm expecting a Big Bang in the near future.
 
how well did apple do under him again? he can't really talk about lack of innovation.

If Apple didn't innovate under Scully, he might be the best person to see history repeating itself, and talk about it.

But Apple did innovate during his reign. They did the Newton, from whence came the mobile/tablet app business, which led to Hawkins doing the PalmPilot, which Jobs thought about buying before deciding to roll his own.

Apple also created the first PowerBooks during Scully's era, which changed the laptop computer market (they all copied Apple's form factor).
 
Roses

Sculley is now well over 70. He should stick to pruning his roses instead of interfering in a younger company.
 
oh lawd. who else created a unibody cell as thin & light and sleek as the iphone 5 in the past couple years? who else created a tablet as thin & light w/ as much battery as the mini in the past couple years? who else created an all-in-one as thin & light as the imac? who else has a smart hybrid drive like the Fusion drive?

these things may not matter to you, but they do to millions of other customers like myself. which is why i buy them.

All good and true except maybe for the imac reference but still lots of good and interesting stuff being done during earlier periods.
 
Sculley is now well over 70. He should stick to pruning his roses instead of interfering in a younger company.

You're so right. We all know anybody over the age of 25 is, by definition, a hopeless, out of it, moron.

Important to know the age of anybody with any ideas. It's not the ideas that count, it's the age of the source of the ideas.

:rolleyes:
 
Sculley

Why is anything that Sculley says relevant? He was better at making sugar water.:eek:
 
Really? So, what you're saying is that the wright brothers airplane was not innovative? Because it was just an experiment that barely flew for a little while, rather than a commercially successful product?

Amazing!

errr..
What can I say..
What or who are you arguing with?
 
I don’t think that it’s because Apple has lost its ability to innovate. My guess is that it has nothing to do with Apple at all, but with the current stage of technology.

Moore’s law has been completely predictable for 40 years. You really need about a generation between each of [the] big innovations [but] there are just moments when all the stars are aligned for breakthrough products. Steve had a tremendous talent to be able to spot those ahead of everyone. The question is, who is going be the one to spot the next big trend, the alignment of stars? .....
Article Link: Ex-Apple CEO John Sculley Believes 'Innovation Lull' Will End, Smart Watch Likely Key Product Focus

Can someone shut this guy (Sculley) up? The last thing this guy knows about is innovation. Why is he coming out of the woodwork now that Steve is gone, has anyone actually missed him?

Yeah, that came kinda out of left field, but aside from his ability, or lack thereof, to be the visionary to run APPLE, I believe Sculley is correct in the above assessment of the current state of innovation. We've become so jaded about the great things that have come our way, in the last dozen or so years, that we now seem to expect miraculous new technologies to come down the pipeline with uncanny regularity. I believe that for a little while anyway, we'll have to settle for incremental improvements.

But there is no doubt that sooner or later, great things will come again, and not necessarily just from APPLE.
 
If you are talking about the denotative meaning of the word, I was unable to find, in any definition, the requirement of "commercial success".

If you are saying that in your opinion, innovation per se is not enough without the commercial success of the innovation...that's a different story. It is your opinion, however, not the word's definition.

:D
Not really. I will quote wikipedia today as my dictionary:
Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a better and, as a result, novel idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.
Invention is the idea, the product, whereas innovation requires a result.
 
If you are talking about the denotative meaning of the word, I was unable to find, in any definition, the requirement of "commercial success".

If you are saying that in your opinion, innovation per se is not enough without the commercial success of the innovation...that's a different story. It is your opinion, however, not the word's definition.

:D

Not really. I will quote wikipedia today as my dictionary:

Invention is the idea, the product, whereas innovation requires a result.

Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a better and, as a result, novel idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.

Sorry, I still don't see where innovation, in it's denotative definition, says anything about "commercial success", as was the heart of my original reply post on this subject.

The Wikipedia quote suggests that innovation refers to the use of a novel idea, invention, etc., while "invention" refers to the the creation of a novel idea, method etc.

I never questioned, once again refering to my original reply, that there was not a difference in the denotative definitions of the two words. What I challenged then, and challenge now, is that the denotative definition of "innovation" requires "commercial success" to be inherent in it'e definition. I don't see anything in the Wikipedia quote above that challenges that assertion.
 
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To be fair nobody wanted TO PAY FOR innovation. They wanted CHEAPER, and Microsoft underbid everybody.

Add:TO PAY FOR

And to also be fair, under Steve Jobs it wasn't just 'innovation' but huge amounts of restructuring that took place such as slimming down product lines, outsourcing production into China etc. The return to profitability had as much to do with innovation (aka standing out from the pack) as it did with restructuring the organisation so that it was focused and streamlined.
 
What are you all on about, apple are innovating all the time, new retina macs, ipad mini, iCloud etc. There has only been an industry wide slow down in tech. You can't make something new from tech that is the same as last year, you can only refine as apple have done.

For those that get bored with their iOS device. Apple don't want you, seriously if you are bored of iOS you really need to calm down and go and find something with flashing LEDs all over it. It's an os not an entertainment park or roller coaster.

Scully is a very good innovator and was ahead of his time, Newton was the forerunner to all this tech now. It was very user friendly and only killed by Steve because he felt it was an apple success at the time that he wanted to reinvent.

Yes apple developed great products with him they just didn't see the need to push forward relentlessly. Remember this was the time of windows just exploding and everyone made a computer out of anything in a back room and sold it. Apple could not make grey boxes like everyone did. Steve only saw that with help from Ive.

They made the colourful white and blue iMac and the rest is history.

Apple are still the only company making quality industrial design in tech, I still think it is Ive not jobs who is responsible for success, the same way woz was the creator of the modern computer but jobs claimed all the glory.
 
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