Examples of Face ID fail

[G.bav]

Identical twin looks at your X to unlock it.

A stranger quickly grabs your phone without you even realising it and puts it in front of your face and runs off.

You’re at dinner with your other half, you’ve got your X on the table and because you keep looking at it, it’s always unlocking, and as it unlocks for the 47th time, you get a notification and your nosey other half quickly picks it up and swipes up to check it out.

You’re in bed asleep, you wake up in the middle of the night and accidentally look at your phone which unlocks it, and as you roll over to go back to sleep, your one night stand gets out of bed and quickly tip toes to your side of the bed to stalk what’s inside your phone.

Now some of you will say these are all extreme examples, but Apple has made a big deal about how water tight Face ID will be. Apple may have perfected Face ID to such an extent that it probably will be more secure than touch ID in terms of trying to knock down the wall, we don't know yet, but testing it in labs is different to real world use where the different permutations for fail are so much greater. And some of these permutations are not even a thing yet. Will Face ID discriminate between an intentional look and an unintentional look? Who knows, but I’m tipping it’s not that sophisticated to be able to differentiate between the two. Face ID will rely on the user looking at the sensor, intentionally or not, whereas touch ID relies on a press of your unique finger print. If you’re the sort of person who doesn’t like people browsing through your phone, then touch ID is perfect. You can leave it lying around,you can walk off, and no one can get in. In the 4 years that touch ID has been part of the iPhone, I have not heard or read one reported incident of someone accessing someone else’s iPhone because of a touch id fail. Not one. That is phenomenal. Yet Apple decided to fix something that wasn’t broken, not just unbroken, but close to being as perfect as you can get. Or maybe they weren’t trying to fix anything, maybe they couldn’t get the technology that they really wanted: touch id under the screen.

I said in an OP of mine last week not to underestimate how much you will be forced to change habits. The above examples won’t scare people off face id, which is not my intention anyway, but they demonstrate how you will be forced to change some of your habits. And if you successfully change habits, then all well and good, but don’t slip up, because one slip up is all that it will take. I anticipate that Face ID fail paranoia will be the new dropping your phone paranoia. With touch id, it was virtually impossible to slip up.

Here’s a couple more examples.

You’re having drinks with friends. You’re a little bit drunk so you’re not thinking properly. You get up to go get another drink, as you get up, you look at your phone and without realising it, it unlocks, only for you to come back and see your friends ‘hacking’ your Facebook account, or whatever. And this applies to any situation where you leave your phone for a moment.

You’re in hospital recovering from an operation. Your friends who love to annoy you unexpectedly pay you a visit. Before you even realise what's going on, one of them grabs your X from the side table and shoves it in your face, causing the X to unlock. Of course you can’t chase the friend because your leg is in a cast, all the while all your friends are playing with your phone, reading your messages, or whatever, just to annoy you.

The possibilities of these types of fail are endless. Endless!

While alot of you are counting down the days to the X hitting the stores, even as I type this, criminal gangs are probably devising new methods of how to go about unlocking your X right in front of your face. And they’re probably rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect.


Face ID more secure than touch ID??? I think not.

[doublepost=1506181337][/doublepost]my Friends wife go into his phone with Touch ID, he left it open when he went to the toilet so she grabbed his phone without him knowing and put her finger print into it. Now she can access his phone anytime he is asleep, and he has no idea that her finger has been added. Just shows all systems can be fooled.

 

[upandown]

OP its the end of the world! Rabble rabble rabble!

 

[joeblow7777]

[doublepost=1506181337][/doublepost]
my Friends wife go into his phone with Touch ID, he left it open when he went to the toilet so she grabbed his phone without him knowing and put her finger print into it. Now she can access his phone anytime he is asleep, and he has no idea that her finger has been added. Just shows all systems can be fooled.

Whenever I hear about these things or the fact that people are worried about them, I think that people should worry less about the latest gadget and more about the trust issues and secrets in their relationships. Priorities.

 

[I7guy]

okay that's it for me then.

First I was juggling between the 8 Plus and X.
After reading this topic I decided to leave Apple completely.

I am going ol' skool again: Just bought myself the brandnew 2017 Nokia 3310 (the on with a quad hd oled screen)

Enjoy your phone. Isn’t all that matters is you get what you want and like what you get.

 

[ronincse]

I'll add another nightmare scenario: Someone shoots and kills me and gets my phone out of my pocket and then uses my face to unlock the phone and posts some of my embarrassing pictures on Facebook!!!! OMG

 

[358547]

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[techspin]

[doublepost=1506181337][/doublepost]
my Friends wife go into his phone with Touch ID, he left it open when he went to the toilet so she grabbed his phone without him knowing and put her finger print into it. Now she can access his phone anytime he is asleep, and he has no idea that her finger has been added. Just shows all systems can be fooled.

He left it on the touch ID setup screen? Or she already knew his passcode..

 

[358547]

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[digitalexplr]

Me thinks someone needs a med change, get on meds or at least switch to decaf!

 

[Exile714]

[doublepost=1506181337][/doublepost]
my Friends wife go into his phone with Touch ID, he left it open when he went to the toilet so she grabbed his phone without him knowing and put her finger print into it. Now she can access his phone anytime he is asleep, and he has no idea that her finger has been added. Just shows all systems can be fooled.

Leaving aside that this isn’t technically possible, how would the “You” character in this story know she had this kind of access but he didn’t?

 

[G.bav]

Leaving aside that this isn’t technically possible, how would the “You” character in this story know she had this kind of access but he didn’t?

Because now they split up she is still friend with us, she copied posts from his phone as evidence because he denied he was cheating on her, which we have seen.

 

[iSayBoourns]

I do not agree with his arguments.... most of those hold true for Touch ID as well......( passed out using someone’s fingerprint etc.)..... BUT I do think that the face is will have issues with:
1. Sunglasses
2. Hats/tobagans
3. Bright sunlight

Which means that people will have to punch in their passcode MUCH more often....

1: Craig Federighi said most sunglasses will work
2: Hats won’t mess up FaceID. One of their examples on stage was someone wearing both a hat and a scarf at the same time.
3: I doubt bright sunlight would effect FaceID because it projects 30,000 dots on top of IR on top of camera to detect/find your face.

 

[Deeds500]

Aye you can all mock me if you like, but I got a terrible feeling about Face id. It's gonna send iphone backwards.

 

[44267547]

Aye you can all mock me if you like, but I got a terrible feeling about Face id. It's gonna send iphone backwards.

There's nothing wrong with having doubt about something that you don't have experience with, but some of the examples that you provided are not likely real world experience. Not to mention, Apple has some of the best engineers in the world that was developing and researching this technology long before you were aware of it. They wouldn't risk consumer security if they thought for a second it would jeopardize our privacy and confidential information. I do think however you should reserve your judgments until you have experience with this technology and allow it to debut first, that would be more logical.

 

[DoctorDoctor]

Identical twin looks at your X to unlock it.

A stranger quickly grabs your phone without you even realising it and puts it in front of your face and runs off.

You’re at dinner with your other half, you’ve got your X on the table and because you keep looking at it, it’s always unlocking, and as it unlocks for the 47th time, you get a notification and your nosey other half quickly picks it up and swipes up to check it out.

You’re in bed asleep, you wake up in the middle of the night and accidentally look at your phone which unlocks it, and as you roll over to go back to sleep, your one night stand gets out of bed and quickly tip toes to your side of the bed to stalk what’s inside your phone.

Now some of you will say these are all extreme examples, but Apple has made a big deal about how water tight Face ID will be. Apple may have perfected Face ID to such an extent that it probably will be more secure than touch ID in terms of trying to knock down the wall, we don't know yet, but testing it in labs is different to real world use where the different permutations for fail are so much greater. And some of these permutations are not even a thing yet. Will Face ID discriminate between an intentional look and an unintentional look? Who knows, but I’m tipping it’s not that sophisticated to be able to differentiate between the two. Face ID will rely on the user looking at the sensor, intentionally or not, whereas touch ID relies on a press of your unique finger print. If you’re the sort of person who doesn’t like people browsing through your phone, then touch ID is perfect. You can leave it lying around,you can walk off, and no one can get in. In the 4 years that touch ID has been part of the iPhone, I have not heard or read one reported incident of someone accessing someone else’s iPhone because of a touch id fail. Not one. That is phenomenal. Yet Apple decided to fix something that wasn’t broken, not just unbroken, but close to being as perfect as you can get. Or maybe they weren’t trying to fix anything, maybe they couldn’t get the technology that they really wanted: touch id under the screen.

I said in an OP of mine last week not to underestimate how much you will be forced to change habits. The above examples won’t scare people off face id, which is not my intention anyway, but they demonstrate how you will be forced to change some of your habits. And if you successfully change habits, then all well and good, but don’t slip up, because one slip up is all that it will take. I anticipate that Face ID fail paranoia will be the new dropping your phone paranoia. With touch id, it was virtually impossible to slip up.

Here’s a couple more examples.

You’re having drinks with friends. You’re a little bit drunk so you’re not thinking properly. You get up to go get another drink, as you get up, you look at your phone and without realising it, it unlocks, only for you to come back and see your friends ‘hacking’ your Facebook account, or whatever. And this applies to any situation where you leave your phone for a moment.

You’re in hospital recovering from an operation. Your friends who love to annoy you unexpectedly pay you a visit. Before you even realise what's going on, one of them grabs your X from the side table and shoves it in your face, causing the X to unlock. Of course you can’t chase the friend because your leg is in a cast, all the while all your friends are playing with your phone, reading your messages, or whatever, just to annoy you.

The possibilities of these types of fail are endless. Endless!

While alot of you are counting down the days to the X hitting the stores, even as I type this, criminal gangs are probably devising new methods of how to go about unlocking your X right in front of your face. And they’re probably rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect.


Face ID more secure than touch ID??? I think not.

LOL. This post is a fail.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I do not agree with his arguments.... most of those hold true for Touch ID as well......( passed out using someone’s fingerprint etc.)..... BUT I do think that the face is will have issues with:
1. Sunglasses
2. Hats/tobagans
3. Bright sunlight

Which means that people will have to punch in their passcode MUCH more often....

Well the good news is FaceID works with any of them. It really does work so well it becomes transparent and you for get what it is doing.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Aye you can all mock me if you like, but I got a terrible feeling about Face id. It's gonna send iphone backwards.

People are laughing at you because you sound nutty. Even if there are issues, they can likely be fixed. We aren't talking about heart surgery here.

 

[DiveKitty]

I do not agree with his arguments.... most of those hold true for Touch ID as well......( passed out using someone’s fingerprint etc.)..... BUT I do think that the face is will have issues with:
1. Sunglasses
2. Hats/tobagans
3. Bright sunlight

Which means that people will have to punch in their passcode MUCH more often....

Good news is I have tried each of these scenarios and heck even wore sunglasses, a toque, AND was in bright sunlight all at the same time and Face ID worked perfectly. My touch sensitive gloves also work for gestures, which they don’t for Touch ID. Face ID is a big win for me.

 

[bflowers]

Even if you unlocked someone's phone with FaceID, the best you could do is read their email and send some messages. You can't change the password or disable FaceID, so as soon as you stop playing with it, it will lock and then you have a brick.
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Does no one remember how when TouchID first came out people came up with all these scenarios, like your partner touches it against your finger while you're asleep, or someone lifts your prints off a surface you touched, etc?

If you're too afraid of these ridiculous scenarios that never actually happen in real life then don't use the feature.

My kids learned to do this with the iPad when they wanted to watch youtube without permission on a Saturday morning.

 

[calderone]

it unlocks, only for you to come back and see your friends ‘hacking’ your Facebook account

You scare-quoted the wrong thing, those aren't friends.

I suspect the OP has never had a healthy relationship of any sort.