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Biggest waste of time/battery power.

I used this feature with my new Iphone 15 PM from day one and after 3 months was already down to 97% after 35 cycles!
Got an iPhone SE through work over a year ago and charged it as and when needed to 100% and it still shows 100% capacity.

Weird. My 15 Plus is still at 100% after 189 cycles
 
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So you are saying that in order for my phone or iPad to last longer I can only have 4/5 of the battery life every single day??

I don't know if having the device last longer is worth losing 20% of the length of how long I can use it before it dies every day...seems like a bad idea to me
For real. Sounds like the trade-off is just... not worth it? I'd rather have 20% more battery every day for 3 years straight and have it lose 20% of its health, rather than have 20% less battery every single day and lose "only" 10%+ of its health after 3 years.
 
So you are saying that in order for my phone or iPad to last longer I can only have 4/5 of the battery life every single day??

I don't know if having the device last longer is worth losing 20% of the length of how long I can use it before it dies every day...seems like a bad idea to me
the battery neuroticism needs to end

maybe design devices so the one disposable part can be replaced more easily?
Exactly.

Typical Apple over-engineering another aspect of iPhone and making it a premium only available for the latest products.

Apple owners would not care so much about battery life if repairs and battery replacements were fairly priced or easily diy'ed.

But of course, profits are higher on selling us new devices rather than helping us extend battery life on the ones we have.

They really want us to buy a whole new device with brand new battery to get this very rudimentary feature.

You don’t even get this on iPhones 14 Pro despite them having the same chip as the $799 iPhone 15.

Nor does iPad Pro M2 get it even though iPad Air M2 got it.

Good thing they ditched that Mother Nature ad campaign after one ad. This ain’t helping anyone but the shareholders.
 
So you are saying that in order for my phone or iPad to last longer I can only have 4/5 of the battery life every single day??

I don't know if having the device last longer is worth losing 20% of the length of how long I can use it before it dies every day...seems like a bad idea to me
Depends on your usage. I plug in my phone whenever I can, in office or in car so my phone is always maintained between 50-80%. With this enabled, I can plug in and not worry at all.

For iPads, they last damn long, so even 80% will easily last me the entire day/days
 
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Apple owners would not care so much about battery life if repairs and battery replacements were fairly priced or easily diy'ed.
Actually, battery replacements for Apple products are very reasonably priced, and come with extended warranty (in EU). One can argue about the right to repair, but I personally prefer a compact phone to one with a replaceable battery (like the Fair Phone).
 
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Apple users right here in this forum have asked for this for years. For people like you Apple is always doing something wrong. It does not slow anything down so you might want to read the article before coming to your made-up conclusion.
I was joking about Apple adding a new switch with those features, not implying that’s what Apple just implemented. And nope, some things Apple does well. It’s just happening less often. I’m a long time loyal Apple customer who has become frustrated with the manner in which they treat us. I actually bought a new iPhone for my daughter this past weekend.
 
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Agreed with the sentiment here, feels like having a battery that’s 4/5 or 3/5 (if also not letting it go below 20%) of the supposed total charge.

Just like bank accounts that penalize you for going under $2000 or some other amount or else they will charge you hefty fees: you could have $8K in that account but in practice, due to those $2K held hostage, it’s like having $6K to avoid those fees.

Why not let it sit at 80% overnight up until 100% is warranted in the morning like the Apple Watch or AirPods (if I remember right)? Thought the problem was having it at 100% at all times, hence the smart charging of some devices.
 
Actually, battery replacements for Apple products are very reasonably priced
They are, however you cannot ever get one on the iPad. Apple stores simply do not replace batteries on the iPad like they do on the iPhone. They only ever replace the entire device and only if the health indicator drops below 80% which it only does after many years when the battery life has long since decreased noticeably. Many iPads cannot ever get any replacement as the battery remains above Apple's threshold until the device is declared vintage and replacements are no longer being stocked.

Good pricing is irrelevant when you can't get the service in the first place. My iPad's down to about 3 hours of battery life now but Apple tells me they can't swap the battery on my M1 iPad and the device is not eligible to replaced even though it's about 3 years old now. Maybe I can replace it in 1-2 years but that means suffering with the bad battery for that long and next year I am interested in upgrading to the M4 anyways.

So for all intents and purposes it's impossible to get a battery replacement.

I’m a long time Apple customer who has become frustrated with the manner in which they are treating us.
Sure but giving us extra features that are optional and disabled by default to cater to a small minority of customers that really want it is a good thing and Apple doesn't do it often enough. There are many times I wish I could change some behaviour even though my opinion wouldn't be a very popular one. The more such options we get the more versatile Apple products can become. And I do think the 80% option is a good one for people that don't use their devices too much and don't ever need the full battery charge.
 
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They can easily implement this in software. I don’t know why they make a big deal out of it and make a feature for the latest iPads 🤦‍♂️ somebody correct me if I’m wrong
 
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Originally I didn't like this feature on my Mac, I wanted to always have a full charge for traveling and stuff, but with Apple Silicon's great battery life, this feature should really be a big help for total battery heath.
 
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So you are saying that in order for my phone or iPad to last longer I can only have 4/5 of the battery life every single day??

I don't know if having the device last longer is worth losing 20% of the length of how long I can use it before it dies every day...seems like a bad idea to me

This isn't a new idea and one that is already widely employed in consumer electronics. Many E-bikes and other PEVs with large lithium ion batteries have this option to protect their expensive battery packs. My Sony Bluetooth speakers have this option. Samsung phones and tablets have this option plus an they have an "intelligent charge" mode where it can learn your charge habits and adapt. For example, if it learns you wake up at 6am it will slow charge all night to 80% and hold it there. Then at say 4:30am it will trickle charge to 100%. The idea is that the battery will spend as little time as possible at full charge thus extending battery life but without limiting capacity. I have a four year old Samsung tablet that still lasts all day thanks to this feature. The 80% option actually makes more sense on an iPad or other tablet where a lot of people don't need to use it all day as they would a phone. Those who do can simply toggle it off.

On the other end of the spectrum I doubt it matters if you drain the battery to zero. Lithium batteries already can't be drained to zero and already show 0% when technically it has
capacity left. This is because the battery chemistry deteriorates below a certain voltage and would damage the battery. Full is about 4.2-4.4 volts and empty is about 2.5-3.0 volts.
 
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They are, however you cannot ever get one on the iPad. Apple stores simply do not replace batteries on the iPad like they do on the iPhone. They only ever replace the entire device and only if the health indicator drops below 80% which it only does after many years when the battery life has long since decreased noticeably. Many iPads cannot ever get any replacement as the battery remains above Apple's threshold until the device is declared vintage and replacements are no longer being stocked.

Good pricing is irrelevant when you can't get the service in the first place. My iPad's down to about 3 hours of battery life now but Apple tells me they can't swap the battery on my M1 iPad and the device is not eligible to replaced even though it's about 3 years old now. Maybe I can replace it in 1-2 years but that means suffering with the bad battery for that long and next year I am interested in upgrading to the M4 anyways.

So for all intents and purposes it's impossible to get a battery replacement.


Sure but giving us extra features that are optional and disabled by default to cater to a small minority of customers that really want it is a good thing and Apple doesn't do it often enough. There are many times I wish I could change some behaviour even though my opinion wouldn't be a very popular one. The more such options we get the more versatile Apple products can become. And I do think the 80% option is a good one for people that don't use their devices too much and don't ever need the full battery charge.
Ah interesting. I didn’t know that about iPads. I have only ever replaced iPhone batteries.
 
This isn't a new idea and one that is already widely employed in consumer electronics. Many E-bikes and other PEVs with large lithium ion batteries have this option to protect their expensive battery packs. My Sony Bluetooth speakers have this option. Samsung phones and tablets have this option plus an they have an "intelligent charge" mode where it can learn your charge habits and adapt. For example, if it learns you wake up at 6am it will slow charge all night to 80% and hold it there. Then at say 4:30am it will trickle charge to 100%. The idea is that the battery will spend as little time as possible at full charge thus extending battery life but without limiting capacity. I have a four year old Samsung tablet that still lasts all day thanks to this feature. The 80% option actually makes more sense on an iPad or other tablet where a lot of people don't need to use it all day as they would a phone. Those who do can simply toggle it off.
Listen, we all (or at least most) understand and know this concept very well. We were not living under the rock for the last decade 😁 The Thing is it's good to get some perspective on what this means in practice if you want to follow all the rules of battery care. In the case of iPad Pro: 6h battery instead of 10h.
 
🤔 So is this the placebo effect?
When your battery health starts to go down you can turn off the setting and get an extra 20% of battery life. It’s like having an all new battery 🤣
 
Biggest waste of time/battery power.

I used this feature with my new Iphone 15 PM from day one and after 3 months was already down to 97% after 35 cycles!
Got an iPhone SE through work over a year ago and charged it as and when needed to 100% and it still shows 100% capacity.

Did you take your phone in for service and have that addressed? What did Apple say about that?

Battery health on my iPhone 15PM, which I purchased on release day, is still at 100%. Great that Apple offers choices, even though that appears to upset many here.
 
This isn’t a loaded question, but what’s the reason an M2 iPad Pro couldn’t have this feature?

(I have an 11” 2018 iPP, so I know I’m not getting it. :) )
 
This option means that should a day come when you need to charge to 100% (for example you will be travelling) the battery still has the health to do it. Without this feature* the battery might have degraded to 90% health after a year or so of heavy use so getting the full "100%" battery life would be impossible.

Exactly, this is what I do with my car. If I am going on a long trip I charge it to 100% otherwise for day to day use I just charge it to 80% since that’s way more than enough. That way when I do need 100% day I have that much more battery than if I wore it out pointlessly charging to 100% to go to work and back.
 
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