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Face ID in iPhone X vs. 'Face Unlock' Facial Recognition in OnePlus 5T

gavroche said:
This... and its remarcable how many people think they need Fort Knox level encryption on their phones, as if they are walking around with secrets of the world in there...
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I do. My entire life is on my iPhone. Including things like my banking and investments. Don’t need my identity stolen and my accounts drained.
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Rob_2811 said:
If you're referring to the Chaos Computer club fooling it with a dummy eye thats not much different to FaceID being spoofed with a mask is it?
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Totally different. But you already knew that. FaceID is far more secure than anything Samsung has.
 
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Nunyabinez said:
Face ID isn't perfect, but people act like Touch ID never had any issues.
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The difference is when touch id failed, you could generally just put your finger back on the sensor. With face id, you are stuck staring at your phone. I think people are just more annoyed when face id fails. That is why comparing failure rates is really pointless.
 
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Overall, I like FaceID in more use cases than TouchID EXCEPT (and it is a big except) when it on the table at my work desk. In all other use cases, it is like having a phone BEFORE everyone had passwords. From websites to apps, it simply works much better 90% of the time.

A new wireless charger that mounts the phone at 70degrees would be perfect.
 
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deanthedev said:
Totally different. But you already knew that. FaceID is far more secure than anything Samsung has.
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Apple hasn't showed us anything that says Face ID is even more secure than Touch ID. What they have said is it is far more likely to not have a false positive with a random person. That is not the same as being more secure. I don't think anyone is worried about a random person being able to unlock their iPhone.
 
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Touch ID had its downfalls when It first launched, but has matured, became more refined with speed and accuracy when unlocking the iPhone. Face ID truly is unique, and I'm excited to see how this ultimately develops over the course of time. But for being the first generation of Face ID in the iPhone X, it really is impressive in terms of its capabilities. But no technology is perfect, no matter how many years it's been revamped.
 
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Rob_2811 said:
No it isn't.
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You can't argue a secure lock isn't any different than a less secure one (especially lacking implementation details and flashy examples), then fall back on your claim by saying "well they're not totally different". Any lock can picked my friend, doesn't change the fact that the effectiveness among them is drastic from one to another.

pl1984 said:
Few people cared about mobile phone security until Apple released Touch ID.
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People with secure information used (or were forced) to use passwords. In fact, roughly 50% of people at that time DID use a passcode. And today, 8 years later, we are using our phones to access and store more secure data than ever before. Times change. It's ridiculous to compare something so flat.
 
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“My fingers might be covering any part of the notch area”....and I was done watching. Is this guy for real? I mean...who are these videos for? Wow. I’m dumbfounded. o_O :confused: Waste of time. :mad:
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gijoeinla said:
Personally, I am not having trouble with Face ID. I like it and am so happy the home button is GONE. I was over it 2 years ago and hated pushing to do everything. Face ID gets better by you inputting your Passcode, make no mistake it actually is helping your FaceID when you use your Passcode. My personal experience just 15 days in with FaceID is that it feels its getting faster and better. Knowing that its machine learning my facial details, I'm totally ok with entering my passcode. The interface of iOS 11 and the X is just so smooth. Yes I hear some of your complaints but for me its working. Battery life so far seems to have improved for me with 11.2. Love the animojis too.
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It’s like this guy in the video doesn’t understand how it works.
 
Mascots said:
You can't argue a secure lock isn't any different than a less secure one (especially lacking implementation details and flashy examples), then fall back on your claim by saying "well they're not totally different"
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I've re read this a few time and still don't understand what you're trying to say. My point is that the iris scanning on the S8/Note 8 hasn't been proven to be any less secure than than FaceID has.

Both have been fooled using mock ups.
 
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Rob_2811 said:
Both have been fooled using mock ups.
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All locks can be picked; you can't use that as a standard to compare whether any or all locks are worth using or not. It's why I would suggest a Kryptonite over Master even though they both can be unlocked with persistence and time.
 
deanthedev said:
Yes it is. Samsung iris was fooled with a picture and a contact lens. Only “slightly” more difficult than just using a picture on their face unlock. They never used a “dummy eye” (like a mask as you claimed). The guys who did it (CCC) also stated it was easier than fooling a fingerprint sensor.
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No it isn't :D

It required a camera to capture a picture of the iris in night mode from close range and a printed infrared image with a contact lens on the top of it to effectively create a mock up of the iris registered to the phone.
 
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Rob_2811 said:
No it isn't :D

It required a camera to capture a picture of the iris in night mode from close range and a printed infrared image with a contact lens on the top of it to effectively create a mock up of the iris registered to the phone.
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Breaking the iris scanner locking Samsung’s Galaxy S8 is laughably easy

The hack required taking a picture of the subject's face, printing it on paper, superimposing the contact lens, and holding the image in front of the locked Galaxy S8. The photo need not be a close up, although using night-shot mode or removing the infrared filter helps. The hackers provided a video demonstration of the bypass.
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C'mon. I literally looked up the source and found the accurate information you were attempting to reference. Requires nothing you mention. I'm not saying that Face ID is unbreakable, but Samsung's Iris scanning, while being more of a hassle to use, is hardly lauded in the biometrics security community.
 
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People here are complaining about FaceID not working when they have half of their face buried in a pillow.

Apple obviously didn’t think it through. It means once I will be missing half of my head, I will be not able to unlock my phone
 
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Rob_2811 said:
Great, did you actually watch the video? Shows exactly what I've just described.
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Did you not read the quote pulled from the article? Let me again quote it:

The photo need not be a close up, although using night-shot mode or removing the infrared filter helps
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Trivial.
 
mi7chy said:
What do you expect when you compare it to a phone that costs half as much using a face unlock feature that's declared a convenience. Do a proper comparison against:

- Iris scanner
- Windows Hello with IR depth sensing and Iris scanner
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Translation: "Even I have to admit that Face ID is pretty good, better plant some easily moveable goalposts that will hopefully make Apple look bad!"
 
Rob_2811 said:
No it isn't :D

It required a camera to capture a picture of the iris in night mode from close range and a printed infrared image with a contact lens on the top of it to effectively create a mock up of the iris registered to the phone.
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Close up pictures of eyes are being taken when people enter or leave the US.

Mascots said:
Did you not read the quote pulled from the article? Let me again quote it:



Trivial.
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And all of that ignores the fact that governments are starting to use iris scanning when people are entering their country. Well, the US is anyway.
 
Tubamajuba said:
Translation: "Even I have to admit that Face ID is pretty good, better plant some easily moveable goalposts that will hopefully make Apple look bad!"
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You have to have pretty low standards to consider this good.





 
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