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Facebook Doesn't Want to Give Apple Requested Documents in Epic v. Apple Fight [Updated]
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I have this old timey silent film in my head where one guy pushes another guy in the mud, then the first guy gets pulled in too, and then the bystander laughing at everyone else gets dragged in...
From what old Hollywood taught me, this is all going to end with some respectable old lady getting subpoenaed while walking her dog and chasing them all away while swinging an umbrella handle.
From what old Hollywood taught me, this is all going to end with some respectable old lady getting subpoenaed while walking her dog and chasing them all away while swinging an umbrella handle.
Facebook doesn't play fair, you know what this is companion base and if Facebook doesn't want to give document to help apple next time Facebook needs something apple won't give it either. you never know when you're going to need help from who. you don't care about your consumers and now you don't care about your business either? without apple, Facebook thinks they can shine all by themselves?
Not really. You don’t have to like apple in order to hate facebook.
I purged it from my life back in 2010. Like anything new and hot online I checked it out and for a bit it was fun. Then the ads came. Then seeing unwanted photos of “friends” showing their food and pets constantly. Their manicured and curated awesome lives via Facebook photos. I was done.
Facebook: We sell your information to anybody ... unless its Apple, in which no, screw you. Get your own info stealing methods.
“Customers” 🙄 right. Facebook has over a billion products not customers.... very few have ever bought a thing—however they’re all constantly being manipulated, spied on, & mined for profit. It’s the advertisers & bulk data purchasers that are the real Facebook customers. I thought everyone knew this by now?
Good job Mark. Stand up to the big bully.
Facebook and Apple are squabbling over document requests in the ongoing Epic v. Apple legal battle, according to a new discovery letter filed with the court today. Facebook is involved because Facebook executive Vivek Sharma is set to testify on behalf of Epic.
Apple wants a "limited set of documents" that are needed for a fair cross examination of Sharma, who plans to testify about Apple's restrictions on iOS app distribution, the App Store process, and Facebook's interactions with Apple, but Facebook does not want to produce the documents that Apple is asking for.
There are apparently more than 17,000 documents related to Sharma that Apple feels are relevant in the case, but Facebook says that producing tens of thousands of documents is an "untimely, unfair, and unjustified request to redo fact discovery." Facebook has already provided Apple with more than 1,600 documents, including 200 involving Sharma, but Apple does not believe that is sufficient.
According to Apple, Facebook has been continually ignoring requests for documents and using delaying tactics. Apple says it served multiple subpoenas to Facebook starting in December and met with Facebook several times to narrow the scope of the requests, but Facebook has refused to produce many of the documents in question.
Apple was fed up with Facebook and ultimately agreed not to pursue additional documents if no Facebook executives testified, but Epic added Sharma to its witness list, and Apple again wants the documents.Facebook claims that Apple waited to ask for the documents after the discovery period had closed (and before Apple confirmed Sharma would be a witness), making the timing of the request "improper." Facebook also claims that Apple is asking for additional unrelated documents pertaining to iOS 14 and Facebook's response to App Tracking Transparency that are irrelevant to the case. Apple is asking the court to order Facebook to comply with Apple's request for Facebook's documents so that "Apple has a fair opportunity to cross examine the newly-disclosed trial witness." Facebook argues that it should not be compelled to "review tens of thousands more documents because Apple wants to go fishing for some theoretical additional cross material," and therefore the court should deny the request.
Article Link: Facebook Doesn't Want to Give Apple Requested Documents in Epic v. Apple Fight
All these butthurt Apple fanboys LMAO. There's a difference between a "fan" of their products and crazy "fanboy" cultism.
🍏 makes me🤮, they need to get a big antitrust face punch... at least I hope they will...
Tbqh I think Epic may be in the wrong on this issue.
Epic is precisely the type of business who should be paying the app store fee because they require more work for Apple (bandwidth, dev resources, etc.). Small fry and indy shops dont really command nearly the same level of resources.
I dont like all these freeloading corporations using up the bandwidth making the platform slower but then dont want to pay their faire share to keep the platform working in tip top condition for other developers.
Epic is precisely the type of business who should be paying the app store fee because they require more work for Apple (bandwidth, dev resources, etc.). Small fry and indy shops dont really command nearly the same level of resources.
I dont like all these freeloading corporations using up the bandwidth making the platform slower but then dont want to pay their faire share to keep the platform working in tip top condition for other developers.
Is it? id's first few engines were significant. Unity is significant.
But Epic? I know that there's tons of games that have been built on the engine, but I can't help but think that most of those games would have still been made, just on a different engine.
Were it not for Epic, then Valve's Source and id's engines would have just been used by more games. Or maybe more games would have had new engines made for them, and maybe one of those engines in our hypothetical alternative universe would have been as big as Epic's has been.
If we didn't have Epic, we wouldn't have the Unreal series of games... and I don't think anyone would care. The biggest game from Epic is Fortnite, but that didn't invent a new genre - PUBG predates it.
Edit: PUBG was made on the Unreal Engine, so there's that, but is there a reason it couldn't have been made in Source or Id Tech instead?
It’s function is to give a voice to the mob and make their echoes sound louder than they really are. The last 6 years would have been a much better place without all the cesspools, and that one is the most rotten.
I hope Apple has to do everything they are asking others to do up to this point in some future case where they are at a disadvantage, just to hear their excuse to weasel out of the request. Even if Apple thinks this case will go nowhere they would resort to doing things that would rack up legal fees for those who took them to court. There are no innocents wronged here. This is a little group of sharks fighting with the bigger shark because greed. I'm rooting for the consumer in this case, may the best outcome for the consumer come out of all this.
I agree, but these cases could fundamentally change how Apple devices work. Possible delays if they have to follow a ruling. So it’s kinda important to be informed about the company, to know what they might be doing with their products.
Facebook being a whining little bitch like Tile now...
Seems like all tech companies resort to these annoying, whining tactics once they know they are going to loose big time facing Apple.
Seems like all tech companies resort to these annoying, whining tactics once they know they are going to loose big time facing Apple.
I honestly know jack about laws and processes, but goddamn it does feel 100% like that. And if we aggregate it with all the antitrust, lobbying, etc cases when read out loud it reads to me almost as if they were making the rules as they go... childish corporate squabbling.
I find this quite a solid post... I do wonder too what would have happened if instead of Epic another engine would have taken the tech lead position.
To be honest, id Tech engines at around the first Rage early previews it was looking insane for the time so if it had had mass adoption it could probably had been a solid contender.
However, to be honest, Epic did have an explosion of sustained insane technological advancements, the latest MetaHumans and MetaPets are just boggling, the gap to movie CGI levels is minute I think.
From my experience, the go to engines are only two, Unity and UE4+, and the day UE ends up exposing C# as a potential programming language I think is the day Unity will start to finally feel the threat face on.