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Fun Fact: If you use an "Firewall App" like Lockdown and you block Facebook, your apps works. Useless crap SDK, which should be banned by the app store rules.
 
If you are logging in w Facebook you are doing it wrong (I expect the app developer is getting a kickback from FB for offering this button) as you are making it easier for FB to track you.

secondly, if the app developer isn’t offering you sign in with Apple you need to wonder why the developer wants to know about you, how are they monetizing you?

finally, if you are still using Facebook you are enabling a Sociopathic megalomaniac to generate profit while damaging society and you should consider deleting Facebook.

If you, as a developer, need your users need the user to sign in you are likely providing them a service. Do you really think it is inappropriate for a company to know to whom is is providing that service? Is this not essential for support, engagement, communication of new product and updates?

Apple sure as hell know every one of their customers – I find it a little rich of them to be blocking other companies from having some knowledge and engagement with their own customers.

Check out this post for some good reasons why Sign in for Apple (or Facebook sign-in) is not necessarily a good path: https://blog.anylist.com/2020/06/sign-in-with-apple/
 
If you, as a developer, need your users need the user to sign in you are likely providing them a service. Do you really think it is inappropriate for a company to know to whom is is providing that service? Is this not essential for support, engagement, communication of new product and updates?

And what if I don't want any engagement from the developer? I uncheck that box every chance I get!

The only reason to collect user info is to sell it.
 
Apple's QA testing has been slowly disappearing over the last decade each release is getting buggier and buggier. Yet you have one of the biggest tech companies with more money than what they know what to do with. They are acting like they are a FOSS project and letting the public be their QA department. Apple take some of that huge pile of money and build up your QA department.
 
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Nobody is asking the real question. Why is Apple allowing this tracking behavior on their platform when they market themselves as the champion of privacy while it's a non-issue on other platforms?
 
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Nobody is asking the real question. Why is Apple allowing this tracking behavior on their platform when they market themselves as the champion of privacy while it's a non-issue on other platforms?

I'm not really sure this is an Apple problem, its seems to be the app developers poor coding combined with facebook "login" (tracking) functionality.
 
I work in Us Cybercom im very aware of the various ways I can track a traget across devices its basically my job. Id still argue on a personnel Ios device where you block Facebook at the DNS level and use the onion browser your fairly safe enough so where the benefits outweigh the cost. I seriously doubt they go to the same lengths state actors do to determine the location of an onion user the time,effort and computational power needed would undo any profit brought in by feeding me accurate ads based on my location. Whats honestly easier would be linking my trusted traveler ID to my account and tracking my flights or utilizing the agreements they have with state governments to track my cars license plate on interstates. Both of which I know they do since I collaberate with them from time to time on domestic incidents. Tor isn't the weak point living a life is and even if I delete the account they will just keep a shadow one on me.

Works in US security. Uses Facebook.

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I'm not really sure this is an Apple problem, its seems to be the app developers poor coding combined with facebook "login" (tracking) functionality.

Why is it not an Apple problem when they have the final say in approving apps? Prior to this, consumers can avoid Facebook tracking by not installing the Facebook app. Now, it's gone more stealthy from single app layer to API layer that allows tracking across multiple non-Facebook apps.
 
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Why is it not an Apple problem when they have the final say in approving apps?

Apps have the right to allow users to login using facebook credentials for score tracking and multiplayer, I don't think Apple can or should stop that.

Just so we are clear, I do not use facebook, never have, but people can use it if they want to.
 
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We know why companies offer Facebook sign in: it was pretty much a given for a while that if you were a human being with a smart phone, you had a Facebook account. A single button to register and sign in is low friction, which converts people much faster than if they had to fill in some form to get going. It's also easier using the SDK to achieve that than having to write and maintain your own code that talks to their APIs.

I'm seriously hoping that wider awareness of security issues, events like this, and Sign In With Apple convince developers to migrate away from this SDK at least, and Facebook sign in ideally.
 
Why is it not an Apple problem when they have the final say in approving apps? Prior to this, consumers can avoid Facebook tracking by not installing the Facebook app. Now, it's gone more stealthy from single app layer to API layer that allows tracking across multiple non-Facebook apps.

So, they should reject all apps that use a FB API then?

What after that, what if a Twitter API goes bad, drop that as well?

Drop all APIs?

Yeah, that ain't going to work....
 
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So, they should reject all apps that use a FB API then?

What after that, what if a Twitter API goes bad, drop that as well?

Drop all APIs?

Yeah, that ain't going to work....

Yank them and force them to republish with correction if they violate privacy standards regardless of who they are. Apps have been yanked for lesser reasons.
 
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Yank them and force them to republish if they violate privacy standards regardless of who they are. Apps have yanked for lesser reasons.

OK, you do that and let us know he that works for you.

I hate FB with a passion. I think it's a security and privacy disaster of epic proportions.

I'm also a realist.
 
Yank them and force them to republish with correction if they violate privacy standards regardless of who they are. Apps have been yanked for lesser reasons.

I am with you in theory because I realize that most people have no clue as to how they are being tracked and the depths that cell providers, cable companies, Facebook, Amazon, etc, etc. will go to track you but at the same time some people just do not care at all about their privacy and willingly give out all of their personal info, who am I or anyone else to play nanny.
 
Understood. See point 3.

At any rate, that’s a bet you would lose. I have two non-stock apps on my phone. Guess what they are.
Ok, fair enough. I don’t know anyone with less than about 20 non-stock apps.
By non-stock, do you mean non-Apple or do you literally mean, apps you’ve installed that weren’t on it when the phone came out of the box? Is your phone an iPhone?
 
Works in US security. Uses Facebook.

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Its a security threat how? Works without Javascript and with a .onion is way ahead of other social media sites. Lets face it if you want to work in politics or a polictical career which the upper end of the officer side of the military is you need to prove a clean past to the general public its not assumed like the 1950s and having a Facebook with the general rah rah stuff of current events is what people like to see it is the golden ticket. It sucks but hard work is meaningless playing ball is whats key at the F500s and upper government positions anymore. I wouldnt be adavancing in my career without it. I doubt we will see a popular politician in the next decade without any social media presence the PC crowd wont allow it because they will assume somthing is messed up with the individual to not be out there in any capacity. Honestly if I wanted off the grid I wouldnt consider Apple at all it would be Arch linux or maybe Cubes OS on specific CPUs or just not having a computer at all and even then they still pull public data its literally impossible to live legally and stay private.
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Better watch out, he's an "officer in US cyber command", according to one of their previous posts. Points for trying though! I can confidently say as a civilian: an officer in any form of strategic role won't ever say they're in said role on the Internet, especially on a public forum.
We are allowed to use social media without talking about specifics otherwise how would we use Linkedin or apply for other jobs? This account has been mine for over a decade you can even go back and see where I posted like an idiot back when I was in ROTC if your bored.
 
Better watch out, he's an "officer in US cyber command", according to one of their previous posts. Points for trying though! I can confidently say as a civilian: an officer in any form of strategic role won't ever say they're in said role on the Internet, especially on a public forum.

Reminds me of the time I worked with an AV specialist. Well, he said he worked with "infecting virii" so that's what I guessed he meant... 😂
 
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We are allowed to use social media without talking about specifics otherwise how would we use Linkedin or apply for other jobs? This account has been mine for over a decade you can even go back and see where I posted like an idiot back when I was in ROTC if your bored.

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"officer in US cyber command" - that is pretty specific if you asked me...? Not talking specifics would be "military" or "government". Maybe to just drag us back on subject somewhat: social media is horrid and we shouldn't be using it if we actually cared about our privacy, or what happens to our data.
 
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"officer in US cyber command" - that is pretty specific if you asked me...? Not talking specifics would be "military" or "government". Maybe to just drag us back on subject somewhat: social media is horrid and we shouldn't be using it if we actually cared about our privacy, or what happens to our data.

If Officers in the military these days use run-on sentences and no punctuation, then the US is surely doomed.
 
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Apple's QA testing has been slowly disappearing over the last decade each release is getting buggier and buggier. Yet you have one of the biggest tech companies with more money than what they know what to do with. They are acting like they are a FOSS project and letting the public be their QA department. Apple take some of that huge pile of money and build up your QA department.
Not sure how it falls on Apple when it comes to how some particular feature feature in an app can result in some problems if something it depends on (which is also not connected to Apple) stops working correctly.
 
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