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iPhone X FaceID and surgical masks
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Similarly in a lot of situations Touch ID doesn’t work. They’re more of convenience than anything else.
And how would that work? I see two options:
1. You can use Face ID or Touch ID. That's certainly a viable option, but I don't see Apple doing it. According to their own keynote last year presented by them, Face ID is considerably more secure. So to put Touch ID back, they would need to weaken the security of the device. There's not a chance they would do that. Not after bragging about how much more secure Face ID is.
2. You use Face ID and Touch ID together. This option makes no sense unless you're super worried about security. Since Face ID fails sometimes and Touch ID fails sometimes, combining them would make the whole process more frustrating. People in cold weather who would need to remove gloves and a scarf would be furious for example.
The only way we see both options on one phone is for them to come out with Touch ID 3 which is as secure as Face ID. I know someone has cracked the "under the screen" thing already, but I've not followed that news to know if it's up to Apple's standards yet or not. It would need an extremely high success rate reading through the glass and it would need to be completely invisible to the user. I think they could do it. I just don't think they will. They're not a company known for given options to their customers. Hope I'm wrong as that would be a seriously cool phone.
For you surgical mask people, you're clearly an edge case. As much as it sucks, for the new few years I suspect you'll need to use an old phone, use a non-Apple phone, start typing in your passcode a lot or get used to pulling your mask down. It's unfortunate, but if it can't see your face, it's not going to work with today's Face ID.
I agree, which is why they should be used together. However Touch ID works a little bit more in most situations.
I think multiple biometric authentication method convolutes the clean and straightforward experience apple likes to go for.
Are you saying they’ll just work the same way in every situation depending on whichever option the user chooses to go for?
If you’re wearing a surgical mask, chances are you’re wearing gloves, too. So it doesn’t matter whether it’s Face or Touch ID anyway, you wont be able to use it.
Touché!!! Didn’t see that coming now did you cowboy????
But seriously, I don’t think that Apple should be designing for such exceptional cases...
Touché!!! Didn’t see that coming now did you cowboy????
But seriously, I don’t think that Apple should be designing for such exceptional cases...
If you'd read the thread, you'd know they already covered that. As I recall, gloves are changed in-between procedures, but the masks aren't. Let's see...
"I am a surgeon in a spay/neuter facility and have a surgical mask on for many hours every day. However, I change gloves between each surgery, and this is when I check my phone, using touchID."
It would seem they did see that coming since it was explicitly mentioned.
1) I haven't read the entire thread but I don't think anyone has shown any imminent danger in removing your mask for 3 seconds to unlock your phone in between surgeries.
2) Why did you explicitly ignore the bit about not designing for every exceptional use case?
I couldn't say. I'm not the person who said that. Go back and get caught up on the conversation if you'd like to reply to him.
Again, if you'd read the thread, you would have seen that I already made a similar comment higher up.
As for explicitly ignoring your comment, you're explicitly ignoring this thread and what has been said previously said. You jumped in at the end of a conversation, when you clearly hadn't read anything but the headline, and started saying things that didn't make sense in the context of the conversation. Then you call me out for not reading your entire post? Seriously? I did read your entire post by the way. I just didn't feel like commenting on something I agreed with.
Sounds like an Apple Watch would work well for you, unless you're using apps that don't support it for communication.
I work in a sterile compounding pharmacy.
It’s a no-go.
But it’s so much easier to pull down your mask a bit for FaceID than to remove gloves for TouchID.
I hope they don’t bring back TouchID.
Can you use a smartphone screen while wearing surgical gloves? Will touches register through the gloves?
Edit: Sorry, I just read through C DM's link. I see that you change your gloves after each procedure, but keep the same mask on.
This happened a few months back. Have no desire to be a nurse and would like to continue to run my company. What are you even involved here. Try to remember these are only forums here and my comment was in early summer and should not be bothering you
If it is, try to relax and understand that all of us have an opinion and the right to state it.
Oh and $700 iPhone is the best Apple can to for a budget iPhone.
If you have a surgical mask on you probably also have rubber gloves on. So then TouchID wouldn't work either.
In the situation described in this thread it seems like it's something that works: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/faceid-and-surgical-masks.2125450/page-2#post-26713993
I've been using FaceID on my iPhone X since December, and still use TouchID on my iPad every day. In my experience FaceID is more convenient for everyday regular use, but surgical masks are a case where TouchID is the option that works. Kind of like FaceID would be the option that works for people who spend a lot of time outdoors and wear smartphone-compatible gloves all day.
I agree that the best of both worlds would be to support both FaceID and TouchID on the same device, but we know Apple doesn't always follow the path of "best for everyone." Quite often they take the "best for most people" path, and personally I agree with them that FaceID is best for most people.
There is a solution for the OP that isn't terrible: Just set your passcode to a 4-digit PIN and use that to unlock your phone while wearing the mask. FaceID and TouchID are convenient, but we all managed to use our iPhones before either option was available... with one minor difference. Without FaceID or TouchID enabled, you can set the option to Require a Passcode to 5, 10, 15 minutes... but with TouchID/FaceID the only option is to require passcode immediately. If Apple would release a software update that would allow custom delays even with FaceID that would be much more convenient for people who wear masks. Until then, the OP should get used to inputting their passcode.
Surprisingly, yes.
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That is actually a useless solution.
First a four digit PIN isn’t as secure and second, it’s irreverent because a second after FaceID doesn’t recognize the face, the keypad pops up.
This happened a few months back. Have no desire to be a nurse and would like to continue to run my company. What are you even involved here. Try to remember these are only forums here and my comment was in early summer and should not be bothering you
If it is, try to relax and understand that all of us have an opinion and the right to state it.
Oh and $700 iPhone is the best Apple can to for a budget iPhone.
Not bothered at all. Guess you took my comment the wrong way. Was only answering your question with the only answer I had.
What phone does Apple sell for $700?
The keyboard doesn’t pop up if you use 4 digit pin. Just the number pad. The reason I suggested that is because if I had suggested entering a longer passcode the response would be, “I’m not entering a 12+ character passcode every time I want to use my iPhone!” Fine. Choose the balance between security and convenience that works for you. Either way you will need to punch in something for times when FaceID isn’t an option.
It's a pain in the... face. It doesn't work.
If you scrub in (surgeon, instrumentist nurse, etc.) you are already used to not being able to get at your phone while on the OR without shouting your password across the room for someone to type it into the iphone, since with the gloves and being sterile and all you can not touch it. You will still to shout your passcode for everyone to hear (and write down) in order for someone to get to your phone.
If you don't scrub in (circulating nurse, anesthesiologist, neurophysiologist, etc.), you'll loose the ability to get to your phone discreetly (using touch ID) because Face ID won't work. You either get used to type in your passcode repeatedly, or start practicing taking out and replacing the surgical mask frequently.
Yes, just not on the sterile area.
You don't. You just don't get it even near to the sterile area. You use it outside the gray area.
It doesn't work, as someone replied before, the mask should always be exactly the same, no variation in size, creases, position in relation to the nose and eyes, etc.
Not if the gloves are sterile, since you can not touch anything, including a face mask. But if you are outside the gray area, you can try it. I have and let me tell you, it is haggardly inconvenient.
If you scrub in (surgeon, instrumentist nurse, etc.) you are already used to not being able to get at your phone while on the OR without shouting your password across the room for someone to type it into the iphone, since with the gloves and being sterile and all you can not touch it. You will still to shout your passcode for everyone to hear (and write down) in order for someone to get to your phone.
If you don't scrub in (circulating nurse, anesthesiologist, neurophysiologist, etc.), you'll loose the ability to get to your phone discreetly (using touch ID) because Face ID won't work. You either get used to type in your passcode repeatedly, or start practicing taking out and replacing the surgical mask frequently.
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Yes, just not on the sterile area.
You don't. You just don't get it even near to the sterile area. You use it outside the gray area.
It doesn't work, as someone replied before, the mask should always be exactly the same, no variation in size, creases, position in relation to the nose and eyes, etc.
Not if the gloves are sterile, since you can not touch anything, including a face mask. But if you are outside the gray area, you can try it. I have and let me tell you, it is haggardly inconvenient.
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