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Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by Merkava_4, Apr 13, 2011.
Just for your information:
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Old news. And yes, it is awful. But unfortunately, it's China, so nothing will be done about it.
Old news? They just broadcasted the story yesterday.
Foxconn has been known for its human rights abuses of its workers.. this isn't new. While China economically is becoming more and more powerful over the USA, it still has a lot to learn about work place human rights.
This is why they are becoming more and more powerful. They feel that the end justifies the means regardless of the human toll.
And that is why they have our jobs.. hence another reason why we are in this mess for the long haul.. and it won't heal itself in one day.. try maybe several years, or perhaps longer than that.
What the hell is wrong with you?
They're not your jobs. How self centered of you. And the guy who just said meh...there is something seriously wrong with you. I'm constantly disgusted by lack of compassion of fellow human beings.
Its not just iphone production or Apple either. Foxconn makes stuff for every major electronics manufacturer.
So this is not an Apple issue. It's Foxconn's issue and the fact that the Chinese government allows them to get away with it.
Just for your information: If you had bothered to go to Apple's website, look around a bit, and find their annual report about working conditions for employees of their suppliers, you would have found that Apple investigated the case long time ago, Apple's supplier fired a contractor who was found to be using illegal methods and reported that contractor to authorities in China, and everyone whose health was affected is now actually back to work.
Yes. They re-broadcast a year old story yesterday, about a problem that has long since been resolved.
This happened at a contractor who produced parts for iPhones, so Apple actually made it their issue and resolved it. You can say all day long "problems in China are not Apple's problems", but Apple disagrees strongly with you. And maybe the Chinese government lets companies get away with things, but Apple doesn't.
Nothing will be done about it in the future, because something has been done about it, months ago.
Nothing, you can't do anything about it, so why bother?
You could stop buying Apple products if you feel so strongly about it, but I don't see that happening.
You still feel bad Abstract?
[/QUOTE]This happened at a contractor who produced parts for iPhones, so Apple actually made it their issue and resolved it. You can say all day long "problems in China are not Apple's problems", but Apple disagrees strongly with you. And maybe the Chinese government lets companies get away with things, but Apple doesn't.
THis is not what I am saying at all. Everyone is quick to blame Apple and pin it on them that these other factories cut corners when Apple is not looking. At best, all Apple, or anyone else for that matter, can do is check things out ahead of time, continually go back and check things unannounced and hope things work out. My point is that it is a shame that a company, like Apple, has to go to this length. That no one on the Chinese government side seems to be interested in addressing issues like this.
Yes. Wow, that backfired for you, didn't it?
Dude, I don't know about everyone else here, but I'm not hooked on Mac stuff, especially the iPhone. In fact, I can get any Mac laptop, iPad, or iPhone for 30% off, and even then I haven't bothered with them.
I'll drop iPhones just for you, if that makes you feel better.
I took that comment to means "the West's jobs" because thats where most of the iPhones are going. Plus Apple is from the West, and they created the iPhone.
So I really don't see the issue with their wording.
See you say that, but your actions speak louder then words. Do you have an iPhone or phone made in a similar fashion?
As for not taking a 30% discount on a product you plan on buying anyway, thats just ignorant, theres nothing impressive about that.
Yes, but would I get another one if I knew people were getting sick from making it? No. I found out about it yesterday, so.....yes... I have avoided buying iPhones, Nokia mobiles, and Garmin products over the last 2 days.
Did this new information affect my mobile phone choice from 18 months ago? Uh....no. Use your head.
And yes, I'm aware that there may be more mobile phones made in a factory where people are getting sick from n-hexane, but they specifically pointed out Apple, Nokia, and Garmin, and the workers specifically pointed out the iPhone screen (probably because it's the highest volume product, so they handle it more, so they know what it is).
I used the discount to get my MBP, but I still haven't bothered with the iPad, iPad 2, 11" or 13" MBA, ACD, or other things. I don't need to get the latest Apple product, so not getting an iPhone or iPad (if that's affected), whatever, would be pretty easy to do.
What iphone3gs16gb said made it sound as if he actually thought I, and others, couldn't possibly avoid getting new iPhones in the future. Well, sorry to break the news to iphone3gs16gb, a guy who probably isn't strong enough to resist getting new "i-toys", but it's easy to not get an iPhone. Just don't get one.
You try working there, at their "competitive wages", and see what happens. It won't be pretty, but since "regulations are bad", that's why jobs were being offshored. With Apple's clout and prices, surely they could find a more reputable factory to contract with and not pass the added cost onto its customers?
Reading that article made me sick. I feel bad for the workers of China, and why their management and government freely tolerates pollution, such mistreatment of its workers, et cetera... (Granted, China's ability to execute deliberately fraudulent bankers makes an interesting tangent, but that's still a tangent...)
That is absolutely true.