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To turn the question around. How much more in taxes are you willing to spend to buy and maintain the technology to allow people to forget to carry their licences? Remember that adding this ability costs money. As someone who hasn't had to show their licence in, oh... decades at least, to a police officer why should I pay more taxes so you can not carry yours?



I remember a number of years ago reading about Oklahoma issuing driver's licenses to blind people. With the restriction that the person not drive. The initiative was seen as an efficient way to give that demographic an ID that was recognized as the de-facto standard for identifying yourself. I wish more government departments would think outside the box like this. Why create a whole new ID card when you are already set up to issue driver's licenses.

i thought it was already like that everywhere, that you can get a non-driving license. isn't it?
 
I was pulled over for ~90 in a 55, but I was let go after they took me in and verified my ID.

Damn, hope you got one hell of a ticket for that. It is very reckless.

RedReplicant said:
Drinking and riding is asking to die. I don't drink and drive either, ever.
Nice try, but that's a sore spot with me.

But it is ok to be doing almost twice the posted speed limit?
 
Damn, hope you got one hell of a ticket for that. It is very reckless.
No ticket. :) If it were to be a ticket it'd only be $397.

I see where you are going with this based on all of your posting in the political forum; I will pass on the debate.
 
Come to think of it, considering today's technology, isn't it time to change this old law?

I am not 100% sure but I'd assume the laptop in the police vehicle can easily verify the driver's legal status and photo with the driver's SSN and address.

When will we see this change?

Just pretend you're an illegal alien and not speak English. Then you're okay.
 
That's nothing. Here we need to carry our driver's license AND our national ID card. And it has to be our national ID card, it can't be our passport or any other form of ID. :rolleyes: Stupid law.
 
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I am not 100% sure but I'd assume the laptop in the police vehicle can easily verify the driver's legal status and photo with the driver's SSN and address.

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This is one of the interesting differences between Canada and the US. In Canada the equivalent to American SSN (Social Security Number) is the SIN (Social Insurance Number). This is the number you use on your income taxes, and need to give it to your employer (so they can send in your paycheck deductions to the government) and to the banks (so they can report interest income to the government). And that's just about it (they may be some exceptions, but I can't think of any).

A police officer can not demand your SIN#. No provincial government (equivalent to American states) can demand your SIN#, except perhaps if the program ties into federal income tax.

Heck - at least at one point, if you were collecting benefits from the federal unemployment insurance program (the pogey) you had the right to refuse to divulge your SIN# (don't know it that is still the case).

You certainly don't have to divulge your SIN# to purchase anything, even on credit. Which is why Canadians are told to engrave their driver's license numbers on valuables, not their SIN numbers. If the police recover a stolen item with a SIN# they can't track down the owner. Though, of course if you could still prove it was your should you happen to ask the police if they had recovered any stolen widgets lately.

On the other hand, in British Columbia, if I get pulled over the police can easily check to see if my vehicle is insured on their central system - even if I forget my registration papers (registration and basic insurance and driver's licences being handled by the same Crown Corporation.)
 
any reason why the DL doesn't double as an id card like it does in the us? kinda intrigued

I have no idea. One would think you would be able to use other official documents (passport, driver's license) for ID but we can't.

But now I'm curious, what do people in the US without a driver's license use for ID?
 
anjinha said:
But now I'm curious, what do people in the US without a driver's license use for ID?

There is this thing called Non-driver photo ID.
 
I was pulled over for ~90 in a 55, but I was let go after they took me in and verified my ID.

You're lucky that wasn't in Virginia; there speeding in excess of 20 mph over the posted limit (or over 80 regardless of the posted limit) is a reckless ticket. That particular ticket is a class 1 misdemeanor charge with: 1) fine up to $3000; 2) suspension of license for up to a year; 3) jail sentence for up to a year.
 
In the UK a lot of police cars are equipped with cameras which check whether a vehicle is taxed, insured, has a valid MOT and the registered driver has a license based on the number plate. All without having to pull the car over.

We certainly do!

Cars are equipped with whats called ANPR, Automatic Number Plate Recognition.

It is able to automatically scan numberplates and bring up all the details listed in the post above. Its really quite nifty! It's amazing how many people get caught out by it on those cop shows.

Technology ay :D
 
You're lucky that wasn't in Virginia; there speeding in excess of 20 mph over the posted limit (or over 80 regardless of the posted limit) is a reckless ticket. That particular ticket is a class 1 misdemeanor charge with: 1) fine up to $3000; 2) suspension of license for up to a year; 3) jail sentence for up to a year.

That'll never happen in Virginia. These morons can't get remotely close to the speed limit. They still get into accidents everywhere, even with current vehicle safety inspections. Can't drive worth a ****, but their sticker is current. :mad:
 
In the UK a lot of police cars are equipped with cameras which check whether a vehicle is taxed, insured, has a valid MOT and the registered driver has a license based on the number plate. All without having to pull the car over.

see I have no problem with that.

In TX we have a problem with uninsured cars on the road. It is fairly common to hear about someone getting in a wreck and the other person had no insurance. The stated got a insurance companies to send information to a database police departments can use in running plates and change the law to were driving with out insurance is an offense that they can pull you over for. Before hand they could only nail you if they pulled you over for something else. Also the law grants police departments the right to impound cars on the road with out insurance. Gets them off the road completely until insurance is bought.

I will say that data base does make registering my car a lot easier every year. Used to be I would have to send in a copy of my insurance form if I wanted to do it by mail or bring a copy in if I went to the court house to do it. Now I just go online enter my plate number and done they mail me everything. If I go to the court house I can still get it done if I leave my copy of my insurance in my car.
 
I have no idea. One would think you would be able to use other official documents (passport, driver's license) for ID but we can't.

But now I'm curious, what do people in the US without a driver's license use for ID?

The DMV issues ID cards. In Texas for example they look a lot like a DL. Some times the color on the top is a little different to make it easier to see the difference. I am not sure how the current generation difference but the last generation had the world Texas ID card in green where Drivers licensees is red.

If you are under 21 in the state of TX your DL/ID card is printed in a vertical format.
 
I'm hopefully getting my driver's license Thursday. But they just reuse your ID card number for your driver's license here in California. And an ID card is just as good as a license for identification.
 
In the UK you don't have to carry any ID or DL. If stopped, you may be given a "producer", which says you have to present your DL/insurance/MOT certificate at a police station within 7 days.
 
see I have no problem with that.

In TX we have a problem with uninsured cars on the road. It is fairly common to hear about someone getting in a wreck and the other person had no insurance. The stated got a insurance companies to send information to a database police departments can use in running plates and change the law to were driving with out insurance is an offense that they can pull you over for. Before hand they could only nail you if they pulled you over for something else. Also the law grants police departments the right to impound cars on the road with out insurance. Gets them off the road completely until insurance is bought.

I will say that data base does make registering my car a lot easier every year. Used to be I would have to send in a copy of my insurance form if I wanted to do it by mail or bring a copy in if I went to the court house to do it. Now I just go online enter my plate number and done they mail me everything. If I go to the court house I can still get it done if I leave my copy of my insurance in my car.

What about the person driving the car? That's what matters. Just as I hate red light cameras, they ticket the registered owner, and not the driver.
 
In the UK you don't have to carry any ID or DL. If stopped, you may be given a "producer", which says you have to present your DL/insurance/MOT certificate at a police station within 7 days.

If you have absolutely no ID (not even a bank card with the name you are claiming) then you might be arrested until the Police can confirm your identity.
 
What about the person driving the car? That's what matters. Just as I hate red light cameras, they ticket the registered owner, and not the driver.

if you noticed I was talking about the registration, and insurance and those have nothing to do with those annoying as hell red light camaras.

Those instead have to do with the cops have cameras on their car scanning plates. They will in turn pull you over and write the ticket on the driver who is accountable for driving that car.
 
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