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I'm with you, and I hope they lose.
Amazon and Apple might be even right at this one, i find such wrapping business shady too, but I also find that Company A should not be able to stop Company B from doing business without a „official“ injunction relief. And not to forget that users freely have chosen to use Fakespot. Amazon should have requested an injunction relief, that would be the right way.

Apple is playing the Court here, and I hope that antitrust with sideloading puts a end to this.
 
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Amazon and Apple might be even right at this one, i find such wrapping business shady too, but I also find that Company A should not be able to stop Company B from doing business without a „official“ injunction relief. And not to forget that users freely have chosen to use Fakespot. Amazon should have requested an injunction relief, that would be the right way.

Apple is playing the Court here, and I hope that antitrust with sideloading puts a end to this.
This is only the tip of the iceberg should Apple actually be forced to allow alternative app stores and sideloading.
 
How is it remotely the same? The barcode is essentially a product serial number. The above is plain false equivalence.
How is the URL on Amazon any different? The URL uniquely identifies the product, same as a barcode.
 
This is only the tip of the iceberg should Apple actually be forced to allow alternative app stores and sideloading.
Maybe, but the only one who shall be able to decide what's right or wrong is a judge, and not Apple.
And in this case it's even something that users installed freely, they decided to install it, it wasn't a malware or so.
The App even passed Apples current security testings in AppReview, which also sucks btw.

IF(I doubt), but IF Apple wins this all, I hope that at least they will forced to stop throwing out apps without requesting a official injunction relief first.

No company should be able to end an other company business.
Amazon should have requested an injunction relief, deposit a security sum, then requested the removal if the injunction relief was accepted, then sued Fakespot, then after winning the case request damages, whatever.
That's the right way to go.
 
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Fakespot is fantastic and in my experience, way more reliable than amazon reviews. Amazon reviews use to be the gold standard but now Amazon stars are difficult to trust.
 
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It also depends on what kind of product it is. If you're looking at a Samsung SSD... chances are it will be fine. Samsung typically makes good components.

However... if you're looking at a Faocheng SD card reader... it could be a piece of junk.

I also look at the number of reviews of a product along with its star rating. If a product has 5,000 reviews and a 4.5 star rating... it's probably fine.

I doubt a shady manufacturer is sending $40 gift cards in exchange for good reviews to 5,000 people.

If they were gonna do that... you'd think they'd take that money and put it into making an *actual* good product.

Because if you make a good product... then you don't have to chase people all over the internet begging for a good (fake) review.
 
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I agree with your assessment. It is what it is. But I also like the fact that Amazon complained -- that being a presumption that the FakeSpot service is actually useful (to consumers). Good news is, on a Mac, you can load their browser extension and it works fine.
 
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I've used FakeSpot for years. In the old version of the app, you had to "share" the product from Amazon to FakeSpot. Not terrible but not the integrated experience the browser offers. Now FakeSpot has really gone full-out with their browser extension. I highly recommend it -- it even flags eBay sellers for things like bad reviews and having a brand-new account. You can ignore its recommendations but they seem to be a good baseline for avoiding bad sellers and bad products.
 
Maybe I'm confused but Amazon charged my credit card and if I didn't complain to the bank I would have paid the cost. At first I thought it was an Amazon screw up but they denied charging the card and sending the product, but then it was delivered by amazon :)
Actually sounds like the same scam then. I was charged. The only reason I didn’t notice earlier was that the amount almost matched a purchase I did make so I just assumed I’d used the wrong card. But the second one I caught because I happened to check something the same day it was made.

The scammers had acquired my CC info somewhere and we’re hoping to sneak by relatively low-value purchases.
 
Why would you do this without knowing whether or not Amazon would let yours their data? If Amazon doesn't provide an API, then they probably don't want their data accessible to other companies.
Why should Amazon have the right not to let you do so? Those reviews are effectively advertising, which is governed by a mountain of law about false advertising, because advertising speech is highly non-protected. Amazon should not have any legal standing for refusing to allow anyone to analyze whether their glorified advertising is, in fact, false.

Furthermore, even if that were not the case, it does not appear to violate Amazon's policies. I just looked at their Terms of Use on the Amazon.com site. At no point do they say anything at all about using automated tools to scrape their content en masse, much less say anything about using automated tools built into a web browser to analyze what you're actively looking at.

So:
  • This clearly isn't an acceptable use issue, because Amazon's policies don't prohibit it.
  • This clearly isn't a copyright issue, because any content that they are copying is not owned by Amazon, but rather by the original poster, and was created for public consumption under a presumptively gratis/libre license.
  • Amazon's behavior in this area violates the public interest in numerous ways.
  • This does appear to violate Apple's rules, because unless I'm missing something huge, they never needed Amazon's permission to do what they did in the first place.
This has nothing to do with following the rules, and everything to do with Amazon not liking being called out for their failure to keep their house in order, and being a big enough company to bully Apple into silencing fair criticism. Apple should have had big enough breeches to say no. Shame on Apple.

But the biggest problem here is that Amazon has a strong conflict of interest. They benefit greatly from those fake reviews, so they don't *want* them to go away. And then they take advantage of every little angle they can come up with to silence anyone who points out that Amazon reviews are just barely above the level of garbage. That's just unacceptable behavior for a major company.

I hope this company lawyers up and sues Amazon and Apple jointly for conspiracy to commit mass fraud, and I trust that the next time the Senate looks into Amazon for antitrust violations, this company will testify. It's time to separate the review system from their sales platform, so that no one company has too much power.

My purchases on Amazon are a fraction of what they were 2 years ago. B&H for cameras. Apple & B&H for computing. Manufacturers online sales for a surprisingly wide variety of purchases. I now get out and visit the Home Depots and shopping malls I had abandoned. I’m sick and tired of cheap junk sold on Amazon, at times wildly inflated prices, fake products, fake reviews and crappy marketplace vendors.
Likewise. When I realized that people were buying all the paper towels and toilet paper at Walmart, then scalping them on Amazon for 10x the price, that's when I realized Amazon had completely lost control of its marketplace. I still buy some things on Amazon either because I can't get them elsewhere or because I don't trust the return policies of random minor web stores, but I've spent more money in the last year at Apple and B&H than Amazon by a factor of ten or so. (I still buy from Adorama through Amazon, because I'm lazy.)
 
Why should Amazon have the right not to let you do so? Those reviews are effectively advertising, which is governed by a mountain of law about false advertising, because advertising speech is highly non-protected. Amazon should not have any legal standing for refusing to allow anyone to analyze whether their glorified advertising is, in fact, false.
Because amazon owns the data. They create the data for their products, -have right to allow who they want to access the data. If the app only showed the reviews and whether or not they are legit reviews, would be one thing, but the app allows you to buy Amazon products through their site via a wrapper.
 
Amazon has become a cancer on society at this point.

Unbelievably anti competitive, tax avoiding and flooded with knockoffs, fakes and just loads and loads of "junk".

late stage capitalism , it creates monsters. For capitalism to thrive, there should always be a competition and new comers to the market- not monopolies not oligopolies .

that being said, I love Amazon customer service and their site is build around the user experience. I always find what I want and even when I think "It would be cool if X could be" and I find it by them like samples of a book, similar products, first released date, Q&A, detailed specs...etc .

As for the chinese knockoffs, well, thats up to the people. I think in the USA people think if its sold by Amazon it must be of high quality. No. Buy quality brand name products I do not have a problem with that. A Canon camera is a Canon camera like every where else, and a Sony tv is a Sony tv like every where else.


I wish I’d have already downloaded the app before it got pulled. Oh well, there’s a website for it with browser plug-ins.

you can always create an icon bookmark for the website, any site, works like an app.

Amazon should buy Fakespot, not ban it.

I like how you think, they themselves say they are fighting fake reviews
 
Because amazon owns the data. They create the data for their products, -have right to allow who they want to access the data. If the app only showed the reviews and whether or not they are legit reviews, would be one thing, but the app allows you to buy Amazon products through their site via a wrapper.
I don't recall signing a copyright assignment agreement when I submitted my last review. Amazon has licensed the right to make the data available as part of their terms of service, but the original creators own the data.
 
Amazon has become a cancer on society at this point.

Unbelievably anti competitive, tax avoiding and flooded with knockoffs, fakes and just loads and loads of "junk".
You are so right. But who’s made them the giant they’ve become? People are like lemmings, all running in the same direction. Very few have enough critical sense to stop for a moment and ask themselves why. Much less to turn around and go somewhere else.
 
In my area (rural midwest) Amazon is a joke anymore. Amazon Prime is about 5 days at the shortest now. (It used to be guaranteed 2 days delivery.) I usually use Target, Walmart, or even Ebay that this point. I can order something on Ebay--which will use the USPS and it will get here quicker than UPS and Amazon.
 
Amazon is hit or miss for me right now. Some products still 2 days, but i'd say at least half now have crept closer to the 4-5 day mark.

(Sadly, this is still usually a lot faster than retail stores that tend to be more like 10-14 days with processing and handling).
 
In my area (rural midwest) Amazon is a joke anymore. Amazon Prime is about 5 days at the shortest now. (It used to be guaranteed 2 days delivery.) I usually use Target, Walmart, or even Ebay that this point. I can order something on Ebay--which will use the USPS and it will get here quicker than UPS and Amazon.
Have you tried Walmart's $50 a year service yet? Somewhat tempted to see how I like it.
 
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Never heard of it...have some deets?

Normally $13 a month but you can find one year deals for 1/2 off:


Looks like I was slightly off though and it's more like $78 though
 
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