I didn't pay much attention about anything on CP2077 until a month ago while spending a few days hanging with PC enthusiast outside Micro Center waiting for RTX 30 series card vouchers for me and my son. I had no expectation... just saw a few ray tracing vids. I do notice the bugs... some are annoying, but doesn't hinder game play. It shouldn't have been released as is... I'm enjoying the game... but it doesn't mean I will like it in the end. I enjoyed playing TLOU2... but I'll never replay it again. I just keep it to myself... because I know people love the game and don't want to ruin their experience... so don't ask me why I won't replay it... hahaha
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Fallout 4 vs Cyberpunk 2077
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I was aware of something called Cyberpunk and how it's been delayed and delayed but until recently wasn't really playing too much attention
Agreed, I think the developer committed to a 2020 release date and they really should have stopped hyping and started focusing on the quality of the game.
Maybe its the industry, where its getting harder and harder to rollout games that are increasingly complex, both visually and game play, across a wide variety of platforms. My personal opinion is that CDPR should have committed to a PS5/XBox X rollout and jettisoned the legacy consoles. That probably would have streamlined some of the development time and reduced the bugs (just guessing)
Yes and no, as what we got isn't what I paid for, CDPR set the expectation not the customers which is on the record for anyone to see right up to launch. I expected bugs with a game as big and such a level of complexity, understanding it would take CDPR some time to patch the game similar to many other major releases. What I didn't expect was shallow gameplay, that's basically on rails with near zero player choice/decision with multiple broken systems - CDPR flat-out lied...
As a looter/shooter the game is just OK, however nothing special beyond the design of Night City & graphics with many of the game systems already done better years, if not decades ago; police, crafting, looting, driving, enemy AI, economy, perks etc. Don't know how far your in with the game, however after 5 or so hours to me it was obvious that there was little to no player choice and the alleged deep dialogue that would drive the game is non-existent beyond an illusion in gameplay. After over a 100 hours the game is mostly filler beyond the main story and the character driven side quests with very few meaningful player decisions to drive the game bar the ending.
I paid for a deep, rich, dialogue driven RPG set in an open world Cyberpunk landscape with a strong focus on FPS, what we got was a looter/shooter with near zero player agency, fixed story arc's irrespective of player choice, broken systems & AI, and unfinished to boot. I didn't even expect the game to be fully fleshed out on the initial release, again due to the sheer complexity. Taking several updates and DLC's to reach the promoted content, that now seems highly unlikely as CDPR clearly misled and blatantly lied to the waiting customers simply to cash in on sales...
Worse there's very little if any reason to replay the game as your choices up until the very end are literally meaningless from the very start to the Point of no Return. The whole game is just a well polished facade with the city being devoid of life outside of quests. You can pick different starting paths, they all result in the same, you can conduct entire side mission paths and they all mostly end the same, irrespective of choice. it ultimately just becomes repetitive busy work with the minor side missions being the same few tropes...
So sorry I cant give this game a pass nor recommend, until CDPR deliver on what they promised admittedly I have very low expectations and suspect the recent push by investors to get the online multiplayer out ASAP is to cash in before the "chips get cold" as more players realise just how shallow the game really is...
There are good parts to Cyberpunk 2077 as some of the characters and story telling is very good, Night City's design is spectacular, graphics with a reasonable PC are impressive. Frankly there's many games out there that are far better, however Cyberpunk 2077 puts the player in a unique environment with sadly so much wasted potential.
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You should for comparison of course!
What Cyberpunk 2077 has going for it:
- A complex, vibrant populated city at least superficially, just don’t expect conversations from average citizens.
- Punks on every corner ready to fight poorly.
- A complex character perk system which seems to have potential, but I have not yet seen the end game.
- Superficial on most levels, however I have not seen the end game though the main quest line.
- The character perk system maybe over powered.
- Side quests all have the same feeling, it does not take long to recognize they are shallow and predictable with little in the way of story elements.
- It’s been reported that despite the promise, character choice means little to the end game story.
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I just pushed passed the repetitiveness of the minor side quests and completed the game last night. Not going to speak on that further as I don't want to spoil the game for others.
Overall there's good and there's bad with Cyberpunk 2077, for me the shallowness, lack of depth in the gameplay, multiple poorly implemented/broken game mechanics and CDPR's false promises absolutely killed the experience.
If your wanting great visuals, straightforward looter/shooter, fair melee combat, with a decent main story and some genuinely good character driven side quests Cyberpunk 2077 is OK. If your expecting a fully fleshed out deep and meaningful, dialogue driven action RPG with a focus on FPS forget Cyberpunk 2077, as it simply doesn't deliver. It's not a bad action game, nor a particularly good one beyond Night City, graphics and the Cyberpunk setting.
The game can be enjoyable, however your constantly pulled back to the fact the vast majority of the gameplay is on rails as is V's character and all rather superficial. It's all been done better in the past, barring the graphic fidelity. Outside of the main story and a handful of character driven side quest the game is mostly filler content; go here fetch something, go here plant something, go here kill/incapacitate or save someone, repeat Ad Infinitum 😴
Save your $$$ as the game will be on discount soon enough, It's certainly not worth the $60 asking price, given the current state of the game and missing content...
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Overall there's good and there's bad with Cyberpunk 2077, for me the shallowness, lack of depth in the gameplay, multiple poorly implemented/broken game mechanics and CDPR's false promises absolutely killed the experience.
If your wanting great visuals, straightforward looter/shooter, fair melee combat, with a decent main story and some genuinely good character driven side quests Cyberpunk 2077 is OK. If your expecting a fully fleshed out deep and meaningful, dialogue driven action RPG with a focus on FPS forget Cyberpunk 2077, as it simply doesn't deliver. It's not a bad action game, nor a particularly good one beyond Night City, graphics and the Cyberpunk setting.
The game can be enjoyable, however your constantly pulled back to the fact the vast majority of the gameplay is on rails as is V's character and all rather superficial. It's all been done better in the past, barring the graphic fidelity. Outside of the main story and a handful of character driven side quest the game is mostly filler content; go here fetch something, go here plant something, go here kill/incapacitate or save someone, repeat Ad Infinitum 😴
Save your $$$ as the game will be on discount soon enough, It's certainly not worth the $60 asking price, given the current state of the game and missing content...
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That's my philosophy on all computer games when they are just released
.I buy on Steam and I wait till they go on sale.
That's my assessment of CP2077 as well. And I'm a newcomer to videogames.
It's in my Steam wishlist and it will stay there until it is massively discounted, either 66% or 75% off the regular price. And once I do buy it that's not an automatic green light to play.
Although I am sitting on the sidelines, from various reviews and comments, it appears this game is realistically worth maybe $15-17 on the Windows PC platform in its current state. And my GeForce 2070 SUPER is no slouch of a GPU.
But you can only play RPGs for the first time ONCE so it is likely best to just push this aside. I will wait for some excellent mods to clean up what the CDPR devs don't have the vision to see.
At least one game reviewer opined that Cyberpunk 2077 was a punk rock as John Lydon doing a butter commercial.
@Queen6 you mentioned the Metro franchise In this thread. I see they have a bundle on sale at Steam. Are they all worthwhile, or just play the Redux version at this point? Thanks!
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I could not possibly wait for Fallout 4 to go on sale when it first hit the streets.That's my philosophy on all computer games when they are just released
I buy on Steam and I wait till they go on sale.
They are all good, with exodus being the standout with it's semi open world. First two games are mostly confined to the underground and are typical linear shooters, equally storylines are good.@Queen6 you mentioned the Metro franchise In this thread. I see they have a bundle on sale at Steam. Are they all worthwhile, or just play the Redux version at this point? Thanks!
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I could not possibly wait for Fallout 4 to go on sale when it first hit the streets.
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That's my philosophy on all computer games when they are just released
I buy on Steam and I wait till they go on sale.
That's what I do as a rule, Cyberpunk 2077 I got in early via GOG with discount and yes I'd say $20 tops for the game as the main storyline is very short with only a handful of fully fleshed out character driven side quest and a ton of repetitive filler. TBH I was at the point of no return with the main story on normal difficulty at around 10 hours with some side quests. I hadn't levelled up any cyber-ware or upgraded weapons via crafting as the game simply isn't that demanding barring some predetermined bullet sponges.
Yes there's a lot of content in Cyberpunk 2077, yet the real meat and bones is far too short for a AAA game and your $60. Anyway the more people play, the more will see just how shallow & superficial the gameplay is and how pitifully short the main storyline is with little if any replay value.
I can see why the investors are pushing hard for the online multiplayer as without that, I can see Cyberpunk 2077 being relegated to the $10 bin in BestBuy. Yes there's a great deal of effort been put into the game (graphics), yet the game is just a mess on so many levels as CDPR looks to have sold out to a big Hollywood name and changed the entire direction of the game in the last couple of years of development.
One if not the most disappointing game releases ever, the bugs I could live with as they can be patched, the blatant lies and deceit by CDPR just no...
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CDPR outright lied about the state of Cyberpunk 2077 and it's direction, the most anticipated game of the decade is now the most disappointing and misleading game of the decade. Game will likely be patched, yet the game many of us wanted and more to the point paid for is gone...
CDPR personally I will not pre order or buy their games at launch again, if at all as they have only served to illustrate that they are no better than many others. Actually worse with blatant lies, compounded by more lies and media manipulation.
As for Cyberpunk 2077, only thing left is to uninstall...
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CDPR personally I will not pre order or buy their games at launch again, if at all as they have only served to illustrate that they are no better than many others. Actually worse with blatant lies, compounded by more lies and media manipulation.
As for Cyberpunk 2077, only thing left is to uninstall...
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I got a PS4, just so I could play Fallout 4I could not possibly wait for Fallout 4 to go on sale when it first hit the streets.
Here is my Jan5, appraisal, subject to change.
What I’ve noticed is that F4 is wonderful all around and is my current gold standard of RPGs, hitting on all cylinders. Even though it’s older than CP77 and consequently at a lower technical level, the amount of effort put into the writing for the quests, the faction quests are all interesting, as interesting as the main quest. A lot of work was put into this outside of the main quest line. Consequently, the sum of F4 becomes greater than the individual parts.
Upfront CP77 is Holy Sh*t!! status, and outshines F4 but hits on just a couple of cylinders, in a way a victim of what it has achieved, which is stunning, visually stunning, with an unparalleled impressive main quest (as far as I’ve gotten in it) an engaging tech tree, and all of the effort went there.
The city environment, design is technically amazing, superb with bustling activity, but because if raised the bar so high, subsequently parts of it feel shallow, superficial to me. I acknowledge this is not fair. But so far from what I’ve seen everything else outside of the main quest serves as filler used to level your character to support the main quest. And the main quest as far as I’ve gotten is very impressive, if not amazing.
Here is the main basis of my critique: game reviews that describe the CP77 environment as vast from a quest standpoint don’t bother to explain the filler nature of all of the side quests. The writing that went into them, at least the ones I’ve seem are minimalist, just an excuse to tactically engage hostiles, break heads, collect loot and XP. So it would not be fair to call it a one trick pony, but by virtue of it knocking my socks off, I subsequently expect more than I should, basically an artificial reality that feels real on more levels than CP77 provides.
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I disagree, its packed full of people, and while the dialog choices open to us, is limited, I see that more of a limitation of the state of technology, time and money. I don't know any game where you can go up to any NPC and start full dialogs
Actually I agree with you. I’m not as hard core as @Queen6, yet the other day I was walking down the street talking to every citizen I passed on the street and no one had a word to say other than a “get lost.” However, see my next reply to Plutonius.
In a way CP77 is a victim of it’s own success, and consequently, I admit putting unrealistic requirements on it. Everything feels so real, I almost expect more engagement from stray citizens. Now realistically I really don’t expect everyone to talk to me, but this is the first artificial environment where it feels so real and compelling, the environment has been raised to such a degree that while realizing it’s a game, it’s at a higher level where I automatically am expecting more.
Consequently, the immersion in the pulse of Night City, these short comings or inability to engage make it feel shallow, if that makes sense. This is the basis of my critique of shallowness and I admit, I not being fair. But it’s also a testament to the new level of city environments that CP77 sets. Is there another game that matches it in this regard?
What I’ve noticed is that F4 is wonderful all around and is my current gold standard of RPGs, hitting on all cylinders. Even though it’s older than CP77 and consequently at a lower technical level, the amount of effort put into the writing for the quests, the faction quests are all interesting, as interesting as the main quest. A lot of work was put into this outside of the main quest line. Consequently, the sum of F4 becomes greater than the individual parts.
Upfront CP77 is Holy Sh*t!! status, and outshines F4 but hits on just a couple of cylinders, in a way a victim of what it has achieved, which is stunning, visually stunning, with an unparalleled impressive main quest (as far as I’ve gotten in it) an engaging tech tree, and all of the effort went there.
The city environment, design is technically amazing, superb with bustling activity, but because if raised the bar so high, subsequently parts of it feel shallow, superficial to me. I acknowledge this is not fair. But so far from what I’ve seen everything else outside of the main quest serves as filler used to level your character to support the main quest. And the main quest as far as I’ve gotten is very impressive, if not amazing.
Here is the main basis of my critique: game reviews that describe the CP77 environment as vast from a quest standpoint don’t bother to explain the filler nature of all of the side quests. The writing that went into them, at least the ones I’ve seem are minimalist, just an excuse to tactically engage hostiles, break heads, collect loot and XP. So it would not be fair to call it a one trick pony, but by virtue of it knocking my socks off, I subsequently expect more than I should, basically an artificial reality that feels real on more levels than CP77 provides.
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Post in thread 'What Game You Play'n?'
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-game-you-playn.1693452/post-29452828
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I disagree, its packed full of people, and while the dialog choices open to us, is limited, I see that more of a limitation of the state of technology, time and money. I don't know any game where you can go up to any NPC and start full dialogs
Actually I agree with you. I’m not as hard core as @Queen6, yet the other day I was walking down the street talking to every citizen I passed on the street and no one had a word to say other than a “get lost.” However, see my next reply to Plutonius.
Usually there are short, not engagement replies, things like leave me alone, you need a friend? with finality or they ignore you.
In a way CP77 is a victim of it’s own success, and consequently, I admit putting unrealistic requirements on it. Everything feels so real, I almost expect more engagement from stray citizens. Now realistically I really don’t expect everyone to talk to me, but this is the first artificial environment where it feels so real and compelling, the environment has been raised to such a degree that while realizing it’s a game, it’s at a higher level where I automatically am expecting more.
Consequently, the immersion in the pulse of Night City, these short comings or inability to engage make it feel shallow, if that makes sense. This is the basis of my critique of shallowness and I admit, I not being fair. But it’s also a testament to the new level of city environments that CP77 sets. Is there another game that matches it in this regard?
That was a pretty entertaining funny vid. I have to admit... I've seen a lot... not all.. of those bugs and glitches. My PC never crashed during the game though... maybe once at start up. As I mentioned, I didn't know anything about CP2077 until talking to pc enthusiasts while waiting in line for an RTX 30 series GPU at Micro Center... so I had no idea of what CDPR promised in the game. Now I can relate to those who are disappointed... and I would be upset too if I was expecting what was promised at release. Informative funny vid... I didn't agree with little bits in the vid... but a pretty good watch.
That was a pretty entertaining funny vid. I have to admit... I've seen a lot... not all.. of those bugs and glitches. My PC never crashed during the game though... maybe once at start up. As I mentioned, I didn't know anything about CP2077 until talking to pc enthusiasts while waiting in line for an RTX 30 series GPU at Micro Center... so I had no idea of what CDPR promised in the game. Now I can relate to those who are disappointed... and I would be upset too if I was expecting what was promised at release. Informative funny vid... I didn't agree with little bits in the vid... but a pretty good watch.
Is very true and exactly what has angered many. I don't think anyone expected Cyberpunk 2077 to be flawless and bug free, or for that matter to deliver 100% of all gameplay. Yet to blatantly mislead customers and investors to such extents CDPR deserves and should be called out...
I've used Apple as an analogy before; if you went to the Apple store purchased a new M1 MBP specifically for the Apple Silicon experience only to open the box and find a 2016 Intel MBP you'd have every right to be pissed off, that's exactly what CDPR has done and they have well and truly burned their reputation with a good deal of the PC gaming community.
During my playthrough's I didn't have any hard crashes, numerous graphical bugs some hilarious, had to restart a few missions as NPC's spawned in the wrong place and prevented completion. Ultimately I've uninstalled Cyberpunk 2077 as there's little else to do in the game for me. Ironically I started a new game of Mafia 3 which got slated on release, yet the game plays miles better than Cyberpunk 2077 does and has way more depth LOL.
Anyone interested in Mafia 3 go for the version with all DLC's as that breaks up the repetition that many open world games suffer from including Cyberpunk 2077. I got my copy off GOG for silly money on discount, something like $8/$9.
TLDR CP2077 is too shallow in it's current form to sustain, CDPR management knew, blatantly misrepresented the game to cash in.
As more complete CP2077, they will see the sheer lack of reply value. The game can be fun, equally save your $$$ for a discount and or all included DLC's as right now CP2077 is a $25 game at best beyond the graphics if you've got the HW.
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F4- I just checked out Pickman Gallery for Hancock, and talked to Jack Cabot (in Cabot House) about aliens and heading up to Parsons State Insane Asylum, where I'll fine Valkyrie (content mod). This game has more character and atmosphere in it in it's little finger than average GIG and Cyperpunk 2077 Side Quests....the difference is pretty stark. Ok, yes the Cyperpunk 2077 main quest is impressive, but in the atmosphere department, F4 more than holds its own.
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CP77- Just finished Act 1, holy smokes what a roller coaster ride! I am impressed.
I have to research what happened to V though.
Tip- Do every side quest, GIG, and illegal activity icon on the map before you do The Heist.
I have to research what happened to V though.
The entity in her head, did it get there because she died when the relic was in her noggin? Or was it a death experience that sort of merged their souls?
Tip- Do every side quest, GIG, and illegal activity icon on the map before you do The Heist.
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Wow, I'm impressed - I thought you were far beyond act 1. I've put the game down during the holidays and haven't picked it back up yet. At this point I'm thinking that I'll pick the game back up in a week or two. I decided to build a new PC and the parts are trickling in. I'm hoping to have everything I need by Friday so I have something to do over the weekend. Maybe at that point I'll start playing.CP77- Just finished Act 1, holy smokes what a roller coaster ride! I am impressed.
I'm hoping that performance may be better on the new PC, even if I'm only using a RTX 2060 Super. My Laptop uses an RTX 2070 Max-Q, and the 2060 Super gets close to a non-super desktop 2070 so I'm hoping that I'll see better performance.
Since I had the card lying around and I didn't want to mortgage my house to buy a 3090, I'll wait until those prices are a bit more normal.
I'm not sure if I'll be starting over or continuing. I'm pretty happy with how my character is and I did do most of the side stuff that was showing up on my map
Without details it's the function of the relic.CP77- Just finished Act 1, holy smokes what a roller coaster ride! I am impressed.
I have to research what happened to V though.
The entity in her head, did it get there because she died when the relic was in her noggin? Or was it a death experience that sort of merged their souls?
Tip- Do every side quest, GIG, and illegal activity icon on the map before you do The Heist.
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You get an explanation of what's going on pretty early on once you get to the ripper doc
I did the Heist then stopped the main story, then I finished all the side quests, and available gigs. I'm at lvl 50, street cred 50 with 1 mil eddys... Intelligence=20, Body=20, Reflexes=6, Tech Ability=6, Cool=6. I also have 14 attributes and 21 Perk points still available, and then I stopped playing. I'll play again after the patch 1.1 and 1.2 is released.Tip- Do every side quest, GIG, and illegal activity icon on the map before you do The Heist.
What are these patches supposed to accomplish, anything besides bug fixes? Of note, playing on my PC I have really not noticed any significant bugs.
Read the patch notes. Just enter "cyberpunk 2077 patch notes" into your favorite search engine and you will see what each patch does. I skimmed through the notes for Patch 1.06 and it appears to be entirely bugfixes, no additional functionality.
Adding new features would make the return of the PS4 version even less likely. CD Projekt RED needs to focus on cleaning up their mess. CDPR cannot ignore the legacy console market. There are over 100 million PS4s out there, a substantial user base. The next-gen PS5 probably won't surpass the current PS4 user base in numbers for another 4-5 years.
At least one game reviewer from one of the big sites said that he logged 50+ hours on CP2077 on PC and couldn't remember ever going more than 10 minutes without seeing a bug. Not all damaged gameplay but many of the bugs were just distracting enough to jar him out of the mood.
The clock is ticking for CDPR. The PS4/Xbox One physical media was going for $30 on Amazon and there's a discount coupon from TheInventory right now that knocks down the PC version to $31.
Being discounted 50% barely a month after launch does not paint a cheery picture for CDPR's revenue forecast. They need to fix things quickly before the entire marketplace collectively decides that this is a really a $11.99 or $14.99 game.
Adding new features would make the return of the PS4 version even less likely. CD Projekt RED needs to focus on cleaning up their mess. CDPR cannot ignore the legacy console market. There are over 100 million PS4s out there, a substantial user base. The next-gen PS5 probably won't surpass the current PS4 user base in numbers for another 4-5 years.
At least one game reviewer from one of the big sites said that he logged 50+ hours on CP2077 on PC and couldn't remember ever going more than 10 minutes without seeing a bug. Not all damaged gameplay but many of the bugs were just distracting enough to jar him out of the mood.
The clock is ticking for CDPR. The PS4/Xbox One physical media was going for $30 on Amazon and there's a discount coupon from TheInventory right now that knocks down the PC version to $31.
Being discounted 50% barely a month after launch does not paint a cheery picture for CDPR's revenue forecast. They need to fix things quickly before the entire marketplace collectively decides that this is a really a $11.99 or $14.99 game.
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