I can't wait until Apple starts talking down on HTML5 years from now. Its going to be hilarious seeing you "kill flash" advocates turn into "kill html5" advocates.
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Fallout From Apple's Exclusion of Flash-to-iPhone Export Continues
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Apple did not create HTML5 if that is what you mean, but they are pushing for it.
And Adobe OWNS Flash but they didn't quite "create it" either (they bought Macromedia).
The big difference is, HTML5 is an open standard and in the long run everyone will benefit, instead of staying locked down to Adobe's lousy plugin.
You get to install everything you want. Great. Viruses too (even though you may not want to install them!<grin>).
Is there anything you wouldn't be able to do on an iPad that the Netbook allows you to install? I'm curious because people on here just spout, "closed system" and don't say what apps it's missing they would want.
Personally I could see a use for a Netbook for me, but that wouldn't preclude me from wanting and using an iPad. For me a laptop is pretty much overkill.
I've got a 15" Dell at work that I never bring home because it's too big and unwieldy. The IT Department just says, "yes, but it's so powerful." I don't need all powerful, I've got a desktop at home, and for work I don't need all powerful, just some basic functionality.
For casual stuff I need exactly what the iPad offers, and the form factor of it is what is most appealing. Less is more!
I'm surprised it took someone this long to mention this. I want no part of this battle of "wits" but goodness, thankfully someone finally brought it up.
You're wrong.
Now that that's out of the way:
from what I've read about the ongoing HTML5 spec saga, Apple is not the only one who doesn't support OGG/Theora as the default audio codec. In fact, since MS announced that they will have HTML5 / H.264 support in IE9 the tide has turned pretty heavily in H.264's favor.
As far as the 2016 licensing thing goes, wasn't that just for HD content? I'm pretty sure it was.
To your last point: Developers being "free to choose" what codec they use in HTML5 is part of the reason there's no standard yet.
I don't think this is the same.
There is a difference between not including BlueRay in Macs and prohibiting a third party manufactor from making an external BlueRay drive with Mac compatible software.
Christian
Yeah; they'll be pushing HTML6
The funny thing is; in your post you just basically acknowledged that Flash will die, in a relatively short time span.(guess you're running out of juice after being smacked down multiple times. Pity, since you're kinda funny, in a John Hodgeman "I'm a PC" kind of way...)
Civility, please!
I don't care what side of the argument you are on, but let's keep the discourse civil. Otherwise, it simply degrades into an exchange of ad hominems, which progress the discussion not one bit.
I'm here to discuss, not watch a bunch of children throw insults at each other. Please, let's be civil with each other.
I don't care what side of the argument you are on, but let's keep the discourse civil. Otherwise, it simply degrades into an exchange of ad hominems, which progress the discussion not one bit.
I'm here to discuss, not watch a bunch of children throw insults at each other. Please, let's be civil with each other.
Come on Kids, Let's play fair.
I don't know why Apple is doing what there doing, but I'm sure they have a good reason.
I don't know why Apple is doing what there doing, but I'm sure they have a good reason.
I'm not a blind follower of Apple and I certainly have some things I dislike, but people are just being neurotic and PMSing.
Would it be easy to create iPhone apps from Flash? Sure. And it would be cool, I'm a Flash developer myself.
Does it suck to have to learn a "new" language? No, it's just laziness. And "new" is in quotations because it's not completely different from AS.
Everyone who likes AS, go read this lol
http://www.amazon.ca/Essential-Guide-iPhone-Application-Development/dp/1430223553
And then learn Objective-C!
First of all... coding in the native language produces the most efficient program because there's no automated translation or generation of code.
Using Flash-to-iPhone will definitely not give you the most optimized code you can possibly write. Plus, if Apple changes something in the OS - as someone else has stated before - you can't just go in and update your code in Flash. Adobe needs to update it. And I'm pretty damn sure that Adobe doesn't have those Multitasking API links in their Flash-to-iPhone.
So then people will start PMSing about why their Flash-compiled iPhone app doesn't save state properly and doesn't switch over to background audio streaming.
It's like ... using Google Translate to speak to someone in another language all the time. Meanings of words change, and you can't update your sentence until Google updates their translation software.
Stop being lazy and learn the language lol
PS.
If Microsoft suddenly said people need to use their native coding tools (which would break iTunes for Windows I suppose, I read somewhere that it's coded using a non-native compiler, so Apple better use the native tools too), then go learn those tools! Jeez.
Would it be easy to create iPhone apps from Flash? Sure. And it would be cool, I'm a Flash developer myself.
Does it suck to have to learn a "new" language? No, it's just laziness. And "new" is in quotations because it's not completely different from AS.
Everyone who likes AS, go read this lol
http://www.amazon.ca/Essential-Guide-iPhone-Application-Development/dp/1430223553
And then learn Objective-C!
First of all... coding in the native language produces the most efficient program because there's no automated translation or generation of code.
Using Flash-to-iPhone will definitely not give you the most optimized code you can possibly write. Plus, if Apple changes something in the OS - as someone else has stated before - you can't just go in and update your code in Flash. Adobe needs to update it. And I'm pretty damn sure that Adobe doesn't have those Multitasking API links in their Flash-to-iPhone.
So then people will start PMSing about why their Flash-compiled iPhone app doesn't save state properly and doesn't switch over to background audio streaming.
It's like ... using Google Translate to speak to someone in another language all the time. Meanings of words change, and you can't update your sentence until Google updates their translation software.
Stop being lazy and learn the language lol
PS.
If Microsoft suddenly said people need to use their native coding tools (which would break iTunes for Windows I suppose, I read somewhere that it's coded using a non-native compiler, so Apple better use the native tools too), then go learn those tools! Jeez.
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There is always the internet for that. As far as I can tell Flash isn't dead yet. Next.
You'll have to ask the users. It all depends on where the market is headed and where users lay down their $.
Apple knows. Google knows. Seems Microsoft is waking up to it as well.
I have a mom, and she lives in Baltimore.
Seriously, I'm all for civil discourse: healthy, substantive debate is a GOOD THING. What I'm not for is BS. When I see it, I ridicule it.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
They've been developing that for years. Walter Bishop is behind it. He and Jobs and Leonard Nimoy are good friends.
[Fringe theme]
wtf
They've been developing that for years. Walter Bishop is behind it. He and Jobs and Leonard Nimoy are good friends.
[Fringe theme]
wtf
^^^^Nerd^^^^
I have a mom, and she lives in Baltimore.
I did think of that, and I apologise if I came across that way, but 99% of the posts I see around the iPad and the Flash issue are merely exchanges of insults and the discussion never progresses.
Yes, but you won't win anyone over by ridiculing them. When attacked, the normal response is to dig your heels in and defend your position (with whatever means you have) and at that point no matter how much reasoning is thrown your way, you only understand you're being attacked.
Well it lets you install a printer driver for example so that you can directly print .. it reads your SD card or usb key without a hitch .. I can install flash (which even in win7 starters does work ok for most stuff) .. you can install firefox with ad-block .. and have multiple email clients / accounts (one for everybody in the household) .. i have a 250gb harddisk allowing me to carry me about 15 times more data and multimedia files around.
... ah and at the end of the day I paid half as much.
That is at least why I bought a netbook.
T.
You're wrong.
Now that that's out of the way:
from what I've read about the ongoing HTML5 spec saga, Apple is not the only one who doesn't support OGG/Theora as the default audio codec. In fact, since MS announced that they will have HTML5 / H.264 support in IE9 the tide has turned pretty heavily in H.264's favor.
As far as the 2016 licensing thing goes, wasn't that just for HD content? I'm pretty sure it was.
To your last point: Developers being "free to choose" what codec they use in HTML5 is part of the reason there's no standard yet.
For an open standard, yes we do need an open source video codec, so every browser can implement it and we get rid of flash video for good. But in practice, since h.264 is the most widely recognized codec at the moment, switching from that to ogg, even if the video quality was comparable (which it isn't) would be a hard move on all ends. Hardware manufacturers need to build new hardware/software to support theora acceleration on mobile devices, while h.264 acceleration already exists for example.
And too bad websites cannot stream two different versions of the same video for people with theora supporting browsers and h.264 supporting ones, since that'd mean twice as much storage for any streaming service, which would be unacceptable.
This situation isn't ideal but it seems the lesser evil at the moment, making h.264 the standard for html5.
I hate all of this.
As a professional that make my living using Apple and Adobe products, I would be crushed if Adobe pull the plug developing software for Apple.
Most the creative community would be in that same situation.
I hope both sides can find a common ground on this whole mess.
As a professional that make my living using Apple and Adobe products, I would be crushed if Adobe pull the plug developing software for Apple.
Most the creative community would be in that same situation.
I hope both sides can find a common ground on this whole mess.
Did the majority of you fail to read the summary? There are plenty of threads already about HTML 5 versus flash.
Flash cannot be included on the iPhone browser because there is a prohibition of third-party interpreters of either non-compiled code or byte code. Allowing flash would mean that Apple would be under pressure to include Java as well.
Including flash and Java would make it near impossible for Apple to inspect the code for illegal operations and it would introduce dependancy hell where you would have to have a way of updating Java and flash to run the apps others create.
The way the flash exporter works is incompatible with multitasking as it loads all resources into one jumbled mess which both uses too much memory and is impossible for the OS to parse for the suspend and resume functionality.
To put this in as simple terms as possible for the laymen out there. The flash exporter creates bloated crappy exes like you see on windows with the gfx stuffed into the exe header instead of separate files like you see in mac app packages. Open up any application package in the finder by right click on it and selecting "Show Package Contents". If you click into "Contents" and then "Resources", you will see a bunch of PNG files representing icons and other stuff used by safari.
Apps created with the SDK in XCode will have a similar app package structure if you were to unzip an unencrypted iPhone app and look inside.
Flash cannot be included on the iPhone browser because there is a prohibition of third-party interpreters of either non-compiled code or byte code. Allowing flash would mean that Apple would be under pressure to include Java as well.
Including flash and Java would make it near impossible for Apple to inspect the code for illegal operations and it would introduce dependancy hell where you would have to have a way of updating Java and flash to run the apps others create.
The way the flash exporter works is incompatible with multitasking as it loads all resources into one jumbled mess which both uses too much memory and is impossible for the OS to parse for the suspend and resume functionality.
To put this in as simple terms as possible for the laymen out there. The flash exporter creates bloated crappy exes like you see on windows with the gfx stuffed into the exe header instead of separate files like you see in mac app packages. Open up any application package in the finder by right click on it and selecting "Show Package Contents". If you click into "Contents" and then "Resources", you will see a bunch of PNG files representing icons and other stuff used by safari.
Apps created with the SDK in XCode will have a similar app package structure if you were to unzip an unencrypted iPhone app and look inside.