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By far the dumbest thing I've read all day, and I've read some pretty dumb things today.
Browsers have been able to throttle unruly scripts for a long time now. Notice how many browsers, including safari, now pause the script and pop-up a warning about it when a script appears to eat up too much cpu time.
There is choice. Get a Droid. Oh wait droid doesn't do flash either. Well I'm sure you can find a smart phone that allows flash if that's what you want.
Oh, is that right? Explain yourself. I guarantee that if Apple was backing Flash, you'd be saying something along the lines of:
Do some research on the decline of the roman empire. Cycles suck.
Good, **** Flash. It's high time the web moves on.
I wouldn't be so against flash if it wasn't a buggy, cpu-hogging, closed-source piece of **** that has been behind NUMEROUS serious exploits, allowing viruses to spread very easily just by visiting a webpage that exploits Flash (Google "flash virus exploit" and you get millions of hits).
Besides, they've reveled in being the #1 interactivity technology for the Web for over a decade(!), and now that HTML5 does MOST of what Flash was used for (video and animations), it's time we move on.
This can ONLY be a good thing.
Developers will soon learn how to make games with HTML5, using javascript for the core logic, and a HTML5 Canvas element to draw characters, play sounds, etc.
It can be done, and it WILL be done. Soon enough we'll have gamemaking libraries and the world will fully move on from the buggy, ****** security risk that is Flash.
edit: SPOKE TO SOON! THERE ARE GAME LIBRARIES FOR HTML5 ALREADY! WOW! VIDEO OF QUAKE2 RUNNING IN FULL 3D AND 30+ FPS WITHOUT ANY BROWSER PLUGINS (JUST JAVASCRIPT AND WEBGL)! OR HOW ABOUT A GAME DEVELOPMENT HUB FOR HTML5 DEVELOPERS? Check these out and stop bitching about "OMG NO GAMES WITHOUT FLASH"! ;-)
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That's a perfect analogy, well done!
There is a chance Adobe can save itself here. Why not figure out how to use its tools to make HTML5 stuff? No idea really the size of that effort but I suppose it'd be a HUGE re-write. If they were to move in that direction, surely Apple and others would lighten up? Point is, they have one way out of this - embrace it. They can deny it exists, fight it (losing battle) or see this challenge as an opportunity. They're in the spotlight right now, I'd seize the day if I were them.
If you're talking about Flash, that credit goes to MACROMEDIA, NOT Adobe. When a larger company acquires a smaller company for their tech, the larger company usually gets the credit if they can build on what the smaller company created; see Apple's acquisition of SoundJam to create what we know as iTunes. Adobe brought nothing really new, fresh or innovative to Flash, therefore does not deserve the credit for "changing the face of the internet".
No, if HTML5 does change the face of the internet... it wouldn't be Apple's doing, it will be the creators of HTML5. Once again, Adobe owns Flash. Apple doesn't own HTML5. In your logic, all supporters of HTML5 are changing the face of the internet now, Google, etc...
No.
With all due respect, you wouldn't know a cohesive argument if it slapped you in the face.Please make some sense!
Why is this a problem
After reading almost every post in this thread, quite a few analysis pieces (good and bad) and thinking I came to a realization:
This is a move that can be justified both technically and from a business perspective. It in no way harms the customer, does not "milk" the developer for more money, and only causes headaches for developers who want to "write once deploy many times" which at best is only good for the developer.
So besides crying "unfair" what is the problem exactly? And yes I have read and parses all the various reasons, they just don't hold water.
If you don't like it as a developer focus development on Android.
If you don't like it as a customer don't by iPhone/iPad/touch. It's not like it's windows and you have no choice and are being screwed.
For the rest of us (both as a developer and a user) it improves things, and all I had to pay was $99.
P.S. for all the people who posted "how would you fee if Microsoft made you use visual studio" THEY DO. I have been around long enough to remember superior development environment that were killed off by MS via anti competitive environments only to be left with an overpriced, buggy and god awfully slow visual studio as the only viable alternative. Try compiling a large project sometime on Xcode then visual studio on a 4 core machines and then we'll talk.
After reading almost every post in this thread, quite a few analysis pieces (good and bad) and thinking I came to a realization:
This is a move that can be justified both technically and from a business perspective. It in no way harms the customer, does not "milk" the developer for more money, and only causes headaches for developers who want to "write once deploy many times" which at best is only good for the developer.
So besides crying "unfair" what is the problem exactly? And yes I have read and parses all the various reasons, they just don't hold water.
If you don't like it as a developer focus development on Android.
If you don't like it as a customer don't by iPhone/iPad/touch. It's not like it's windows and you have no choice and are being screwed.
For the rest of us (both as a developer and a user) it improves things, and all I had to pay was $99.
P.S. for all the people who posted "how would you fee if Microsoft made you use visual studio" THEY DO. I have been around long enough to remember superior development environment that were killed off by MS via anti competitive environments only to be left with an overpriced, buggy and god awfully slow visual studio as the only viable alternative. Try compiling a large project sometime on Xcode then visual studio on a 4 core machines and then we'll talk.
They merged into one entity. Thus Adobe, the successor of Macromedia changed the face of the internet. Everything still stands. Adobe changed the face of the internet.
Who is pushing and promoting HTML5 at every turn?
Under Apple's marketing strategy, HTML5 has gotten further in the span of only a few months than Microsoft has gotten with Silverlight in three years.
Apple put HTML5 on the map. It's not about *what* your standard is, it's about *who* is backing it.
No, Apple doesn't allow any cross compilers even if you use an "approved" language with it.
And btw. someone has to tell Apple that they have to ban almost all EA apps as these have been written with EA internal librarys (that get mapped to iPhone API functions). Too bad.
There wasn't any cohesiveness that I'm aware of. And certainly no argument started yet, and there shouldn't be. If you can't comprehend history imitating history, history repeating itself, analogies, and the such... then... I will gladly take the slap to the face.
No.
But what point are you trying to make anyway?
Adobe seems to be the one holding it back now. It makes no difference what they did years ago!
LOL
Apple did not put HTML5 on the map. Don't get "putting on the map" misconstrued with "being on a Apple news site who reports Apple moves" together. Seclusion, proximity, news allocation... don't get it confused. HTML5 was not put on the map by Apple. You are scaring me.
I'm trying to figure out what point you are trying to defend... when it comes to facts... points don't have to be made, they exist in the existence of the fact.
Adobe changed the face of the internet, has Apple done this?
No.
Thank you. I don't need a smartphone at all but something similar to the iPad. I im glad there is choice. I got a netbook just yesterday. I never liked Microsoft but they let me install everything I want. And the netbook is nowhere as bad as Steve Jobs wants it to be...
Christian
Let's compare this with how Steve Jobs has handled Bluray...
He has complained that licensing issues are a nightmare, and that's holding up adding Bluray hardware and movie decoding support.
Has he complained that Mpeg-LA are exherting undue influence and trying to crush them, no.
Has he boycotted Sony products, no.
Has he been telling everyone that DVD-HD is the way to go, no.
Did he throw a public tantrum about it, no.
He just bit the bullet, and accepted that they can't do Bluray support right now, and is just altering his plans around it.
He has complained that licensing issues are a nightmare, and that's holding up adding Bluray hardware and movie decoding support.
Has he complained that Mpeg-LA are exherting undue influence and trying to crush them, no.
Has he boycotted Sony products, no.
Has he been telling everyone that DVD-HD is the way to go, no.
Did he throw a public tantrum about it, no.
He just bit the bullet, and accepted that they can't do Bluray support right now, and is just altering his plans around it.
Allow me to bring back a classic as Apple, once again, spreads it tyrannical arms...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db7pKjUrNXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db7pKjUrNXQ