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[m1stake]

True, but the really sad part is, I've met plenty of both, and the DeVry people knew more about what they were doing. They got far more hands-on, and the experience made a big difference. Given enough time, the uni educated will hopefully learn. I did, but I also had the benefit of learning from some really good engineers at Lockheed just shy of retirement. I always felt I learned more from those guys than I ever did in a classroom for undergrad material.

Undergraduate degrees teach you how to think. It's a waste of time trying to teach students the specifics of anything, unless they're going to work in academia. The job of the institution is to prepare the student for a job, where he will learn the specifics of his job.

 

[Tesselator]

It seems like it takes longer for engineering. Closer to 10 or even 15 years behind in some cases.

Wow... that sounds like really poor administration!

True, but the really sad part is, I've met plenty of both, and the DeVry people knew more about what they were doing. They got far more hands-on, and the experience made a big difference. Given enough time, the uni educated will hopefully learn. I did, but I also had the benefit of learning from some really good engineers at Lockheed just shy of retirement. I always felt I learned more from those guys than I ever did in a classroom for undergrad material.

Yup. That's the way of it. m1stake said it good. After (and somewhat during) your master's you can dig into specifics more I guess. It's mostly theory like m1stake is saying, prior to that - well, it varies but... generally.


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[nanofrog]

Undergraduate degrees teach you how to think. It's a waste of time trying to teach students the specifics of anything, unless they're going to work in academia. The job of the institution is to prepare the student for a job, where he will learn the specifics of his job.

I understand that, and agree with it.

The problem is, employers don't keep the more experienced people any more who can teach those fresh out of college. They don't want to pay them what they're worth. Forced early retirement and such.

So they expect fresh graduates to posses greater skill levels than they acutally do. Those left are still a little green themselves, or don't have enough time (too few as well), to teach what they do know. I teach what I can, but time constraints prevent me from giving the time necessary to really help, and I consider myself still learning. Always. I was very fortunate, that I had the time and access to the people I did.

I don't see corporations change such practices, so it's up to the university system to pick up the slack. It's not fair, as something will be short changed. That, or a BS will become a minimum of 6 years.

Wow... that sounds like really poor administration!

Yup. That's the way of it. m1stake said it good. After (and somewhat during) your master's you can dig into specifics more I guess. It's mostly theory like m1stake is saying, prior to that - well, it varies but... generally.
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Yes, he did.

I'm just a little disheartened these days, as I truly think we should be doing better.

I still think the apprenticeship aspect of an education still has it's place.