There's no such thing as a 100% secure platform. The FBI is only ever 1 OS upgrade away from losing their easy access, and only ever one unforeseen vulnerability away from getting it back.
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FBI Agrees to Help Arkansas Prosecutor Unlock iPhone and iPod in Homicide Case
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There's no such thing as a 100% secure platform. The FBI is only ever 1 OS upgrade away from losing their easy access, and only ever one unforeseen vulnerability away from getting it back.
I would say this is a bigger win than we expect. Not only did Apple stick to their guns, but we are now catching the FBI in their ********. No one will (or should) trust what they have to say here-on out. If the FBI says "just this once." For anything in the future, this will be the type of case we point to to say "remember how you're full of ****?"
Not trying to be a downer but I have 0 to hide. Let them eat cake if I become a murderer. Until then they have no reason to, nor would it benefit them in any way to look at my phone. In fact, I'd unlock it right now fr them if they asked.
Oh god this continues.
I'm starting to think that all of this has been long ago planned by the US government and they just used the california incident as an excuse to create all of this crap.
I'm starting to think that all of this has been long ago planned by the US government and they just used the california incident as an excuse to create all of this crap.
Can't wait for discovery to reveal the technique. My bet is still replay attack. Apple can get better on replay attacks even in the secure enclave era. My hope is they do.
How much does the FBI charge for a carrier unlock? So tired of paying AT$T's ridiculous international roaming rates...
Also, the whole exploit/patch never ending cycle actually works to the favor of the hacker (in this case FBI) when they have possession of the device. You can no longer patch and they can wait out the next exploit being discovered.
Not in my opinion. I think Apple was the loser in this fight even. It was a lose-lose situation for them. I knew FBI was going to crack that phone sooner or later. Basically FBI said FU to Apple, we cracked the phones and we made your security look bad.
On the surface, I think this is more in line with the way things should work. Does Apple need to continue working to make their devices as secure as possible? Yes. And if law enforcement has probable cause to hack into a device that's in their possession in order to potentially gather evidence for a criminal investigation, that's fine, too. But they need to do it themselves.
What it sounds like they wanted Apple to do was to re-weaken iOS security (and I think it was weaker before the Snowden revelations came to light) in order to create a virtual backdoor for law enforcement and intelligence gathering purposes that puts all our private data (including Apple's) at risk.
What it sounds like they wanted Apple to do was to re-weaken iOS security (and I think it was weaker before the Snowden revelations came to light) in order to create a virtual backdoor for law enforcement and intelligence gathering purposes that puts all our private data (including Apple's) at risk.
I understand the thought process, but that's really not how it works in the real world. They will twist and lie about anything they find on a phone to make someone guilty. It's not about truth it's about justifying their own existence and meeting quotas, doesn't matter to them whose lives are ruined.
As long as the tomorrow is way down the road. 20 characters of numerals, letters upper and lower case, and a few symbols sprinkled in should do the trick. Brute force that. Eventually you will come upon the right combination, but I will have long since departed this existence.
What happens if a relative + kid gets hold of your phone and tries repeatedly to unlock your phone to play games?
Yes. It got them out of liability cases by making a defective product. Welcome to to law suit ville USA....Someone finds the FBI method (or [poaches from the 3rd party source they use now), cracked my phone and caused damages. Someone has to be sued...may as well be apple in the list too. Remember people sue for hot coffee spilled in the lap. When common sense says put the damn thing in a cup holder. I know yada yada...MCD's overheats to reduce free refills....hot liquid, groin region, just don't do it.
and apple would not have control in time. Government doesn't work like that. Foot in door...well why I am here...lets make it a party. They'd also be gimped by the fact later research to make security better would always be hindered by the government saying now don't go overboard on this chief....we need that hole in the wall.
Government went 3rd party, apple can secure again.
Rest of this...here is my secret to not becoming the paranoid delusional IT freak like many become. I assume anything can be cracked. My job is to ensure on a post incident audit its not cracked by a low life script kiddy. This looks bad... I want them to work for it. I want auditors going damn...you did 100/100 off the things we check for. You got bad luck man... and you have a complex attack we have never seen before.
Put another way, locks keep honest people honest. All they do...find the right lock pick, lock will pop open.
so after all that PR press, and great speeches that apple was fighting for our privacy/security, should we expect the iPhone 7 to become more secure? Or was it all PR ?
If apple remains silent on this and nothing changes in iPhone 7, it would have all just been BS to push sales. I'm sure Tim would have preferred this dragging out through the courts, building more publicity and momentum ahead of iPhone 7 launch. Your move Tim.
My gut feeling is that nothing will change. Unless sales are hurt .
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Problem is 99.99999999% of iPhones will have 4 pin code. Average user is far too lazy to input a mixed 20 character passcode everytime they restart.
If apple remains silent on this and nothing changes in iPhone 7, it would have all just been BS to push sales. I'm sure Tim would have preferred this dragging out through the courts, building more publicity and momentum ahead of iPhone 7 launch. Your move Tim.
My gut feeling is that nothing will change. Unless sales are hurt .
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Problem is 99.99999999% of iPhones will have 4 pin code. Average user is far too lazy to input a mixed 20 character passcode everytime they restart.
FBI: "Only Apple have the technical capacity to unlock it".
Well that was BS.
Having said that - imaginably it wouldn't be difficult for FBI to get an Apple engineer / ex engineer to give them the tools; it's also probably naive to assume the secure enclave (current gen) is unbreakable. I mean yes it's the most valuable company's product - however in reality they're making it with $200-300 components; the device's main functionality is a cellular device (and not self destructing encryption tech) - these aren't the digital safe that their marketing make out by any means; maybe future generations are more secure - but it's never going to be completely so. If the FBI and the likes keeps cracking iPhones - the public perception into this "iUnbreakable tech" will soon see the boat sink".
Well that was BS.
Having said that - imaginably it wouldn't be difficult for FBI to get an Apple engineer / ex engineer to give them the tools; it's also probably naive to assume the secure enclave (current gen) is unbreakable. I mean yes it's the most valuable company's product - however in reality they're making it with $200-300 components; the device's main functionality is a cellular device (and not self destructing encryption tech) - these aren't the digital safe that their marketing make out by any means; maybe future generations are more secure - but it's never going to be completely so. If the FBI and the likes keeps cracking iPhones - the public perception into this "iUnbreakable tech" will soon see the boat sink".
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The carefully crafted image of a highly secure iPhone was rather fast and easy to destroy. Luckily Apple's frequently repeated story painting their smartphone as secure and superior convinced their devotees otherwise. Now what do the faithful have to believe in...
Yeah? Do you know which iPhone model did they unlock? What iOS it was running? That's right, you don't and they don't tell you. There are older versions of iPhone and iOS that can easily be hacked and there are newer ones not so easy.
Anyone setting up iOS 9 or restoring from backup will have a 6 pin code to enter unless they change it manually to a 4 pin code, so it's not 99.99999999
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Hate to go off topic but I hope that kid gets what he deserves if he killed his step-parents. Wonder what his motive was for biting the hand that fed him…
