FBI Director Says Method of Unlocking iPhone Can't Be Used on iPhone 5s or Newer

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    After disclosing its method of accessing the iPhone 5c of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook to a few U.S. Senators, the FBI today released a new sliver of information regarding the highly secretive invasive steps the organization has taken to get into the iPhone in question.

    FBI director James Comey gave a few hints about "a tool" from a private party that it used to gain access to Farook's iPhone (via CNN).

    In a speech at the Biennial Conference at Kenyon University, Comey mentioned that the tool purchased from the private party -- reportedly Israeli mobile developer Cellebrite -- only works on a "narrow slice of phones," which does not include models of the iPhone 5s and after. Although that range allows the FBI to enter into Farook's iPhone 5c, the beefed up security of the A7 chips of the 5s and onward limits the organization's ability to use Cellebrite's tool for any of its more recent security-locked iPhone cases.

    After the FBI said it found a method of getting into the iPhone used in the San Bernardino terrorist attacks, the Cupertino company promised it would insist on obtaining the details of the exploit if the case were to move forward. Since the Justice Department officially dropped the case against Apple, the company can't ask for that information, and Comey said the government is contemplating the pros and cons of looping Apple in on the situation.
    Even though the official legal battle is over, Apple's statement at the end of the lawsuit referred to the company's continuing promise to "increase the security" of all its products as the threat against user data becomes "more frequent and more sophisticated."

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  2. DoctorTech macrumors 6502


    Jan 6, 2014
    Indianapolis, IN
    It just means the "showdown" that was going to happen last month has been delayed until the next major incident occurs where the FBI wants Apple to unlock "just this one phone, just this one time". The 5 & 5c model are a couple years old so not only do they represent a small percentage of iPhones, but that percentage is shrinking every day as millions of 6, 6s & SE phones enter the market. Get ready for round 2.
  3. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    The FBI shouldn't have to explain anything, they went to Apple, who said no way and then got it done through someone else, that simple. The last thing Apple deserves is an explanation of how someone else was able to do in two weeks what they claimed couldn't be done at all, Apple either lied about it or weren't qualified to do it.
  4. NT1440 macrumors G5


    May 18, 2008
    Ah, the posts of someone who is clearly completely unaware of the digital forensics industry that is funded by the likes of the NSA, GCHQ, etc.....
  5. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    Not as unaware as Apple is of how to access their own device, apparently.
  6. mmartinezs macrumors regular

    Oct 10, 2014
    But the iphone 5c is "newer" than the iphone 5s
  7. Xavier macrumors 68030

    Mar 23, 2006
    Apple won't build a "secret" way into the house, and the FBI won't tell how they broke into the house. Win, win. Win!

  8. foobarbaz macrumors 6502a

    Nov 29, 2007
    That's what you suggested anyway, remember? That Apple should create that one-time loophole and then destroy it. That its just about this one case. Does that ring a bell?

    Not that we believed that for a second ...
  9. soupcan macrumors 6502a


    Nov 21, 2014
    So they went with NAND mirroring, something you can't do with any iPhone with an A7 and up. The FBI knew this, so they wanted Apple to create the software to get into the newer phones. Apple politely said **** you to that, and now they're stuck with iPhones below the 5.
  10. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    What? No it isn't, and was never marketed as such. It's an iPhone 5 in a different shell.
  11. SMIDG3T Suspended


    Apr 29, 2012
  12. NT1440 macrumors G5


    May 18, 2008
    Apple did outline exactly how it could be done. The problem was that tool, in the wrong hands, could be used by anyone who got it to break into iPhones. There was never a statement that it was impossible, just that it was impossible without destroying nearly half a billion iOS device's security paradigm.

    But hey, you clearly just want to rant off about how inept Apple is at not allowing state actors to trample on citizens rights so I'll just let you continue.
  13. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    It's just my opinion on the matter with Apple, not sure of the need for personal attacks here.
  14. gpat macrumors 6502a

    Mar 1, 2011
    Man, that San Bernardino shooter should feel real bad for getting an iPhone 5C instead of a 5S.
  15. 2457282 Suspended

    Dec 6, 2012
    FBI, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You are, in an earnest and transparent way doing everything you can to get information that could lead to the prevention of terrorism in the USA. But here is the rub, your shortsighted need for an easy and immediate solution put us in danger in the longer run. If you pursue this again and somehow win to force phone makers in the USA to install back-doors, I guarantee that other countries will due the same -- so that it is clear this means that the FBI actions now make it easier for other countries to snoop on American Citizens. But even worse, a back door also gives access to bad people. Please due your job to protect the American people, but do so in a way that does not end up putting them in even more danger a few feet down the road. Thank you.
  16. vertsix macrumors 65816


    Aug 12, 2015
    It still amazes me how secure iOS is for the FBI to go through such lengths to unlock an iPhone.

    Definitely one of my favorite features of iOS.
  17. Chatter macrumors 6502a

    Jun 10, 2013
    Uphill from Downtown
    So basically the FBI is waiting for another tragedy to file the next lawsuit for the next "one-time only" event.
  18. naeS1Sean macrumors 6502a


    Oct 14, 2011
    Scranton, PA
    That seems like a big, ugly, please-the-public lie.
  19. frankdogg macrumors 6502


    Mar 24, 2011
    Mid-Wilshire LA
    Hmmmm. So they jailbroke it. Ssh'ed their way into the phone and possibly ifiled.

    Jk I know that's not possible with a passcode enabled.
  20. cmwade77 macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2008
    Considering how many people store sensitive information on their phones, including information that could be used to take down our infrastructure, such as power grids, etc. it would truly be in the best interest of national security to ensure phones are as secure as possible.

    No, they will never be 100% secure, but when an exploit is found, it should be reported so that it can be fixed.
  21. dannyyankou macrumors G3


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
    They're both the same age, but one has a secure enclave and the other one doesn't.
  22. nostaws macrumors 6502


    Jan 14, 2006
    Apple has to love this. FBI just told everyone they need to upgrade their phones.

    Apple sales/upgrades spike tomorrow ;)

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