Will ‘quantum mathematics’ ever blow the doors off encryption? My understanding is that if we ever manage to wield quantum computing, it will be so powerful that it could crack the most complex pass phrases in moments. Not sure how much of that is truth and how much of it is science fiction. I guess the 10-strikes rule could still thwart any and all attempts at brute force...?
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FBI Has Still Not Managed to Unlock iPhone Used by Mass Shooter in Florida Last Year
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William Barr probably wants to know if they can use this to pass anti-encryption legislation
I suspect that it could work both ways; those same tools could be potentially be applied to encryption to make it just as impossible.
I'm using 12 character alphanumeric.
We'll still be waiting in 100 years for a brute force.
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That just means the number of bits in the encryption algorithm grows to reflect the computing power.
It won't get easier, the keys and the algorithms become more complex.
If you create a better mouse trap, someone will create a better mouse.
We'll still be waiting in 100 years for a brute force.
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That just means the number of bits in the encryption algorithm grows to reflect the computing power.
It won't get easier, the keys and the algorithms become more complex.
If you create a better mouse trap, someone will create a better mouse.
telling everyone that info has defeated the very purpose in setting a 16 digit passcode to begin with.
that info now has effectively decreased yr passcode's effectiveness to (around) only an 8 digit passcode.
That exclamation mark at the end doesn't make it more secure. Force people to use mixed case, numbers, and symbols, and most of the time you'll get Somepassword1!
Any why would a government official be on your phone?
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Generally speaking, in a post mortem investigation... and in no particular order:
Motive
Psych (see #1)
Accomplices
Source(s) of radicalization, if applicable
Source(s) of weapons/ammunition, IEDs, if applicable
Previous crimes not known to law enforcement
Location or information leading to additional evidence (i.e. cloud storage, additional devices, password storage, etc)
The more you learn about an offender, the better equipped you are to identify the next.
If the government threw up their hands every time a criminal died and said "welp, he/she is dead, guess it's on to the next case", that would be a colossal mistake. Especially when you're talking about a mass homicide. If one of the Tsarnaev brothers had died in the Boston bombing and the government had called it quits, they would've never found the other. Never assume it's a lone wolf, and never assume you know everything.
Most on this board are just paranoid and watch too many movies, for the most part, no one cares what's on your phone/watch/tablet/computer.
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"Apple faced a similar situation in 2016, when a U.S. federal judge ordered the company to help the FBI unlock an iPhone owned by Syed Farook, one of the shooters in the December 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, California. Apple opposed the order, noting that it would set a "dangerous precedent." "
However, we never hear much about that now, so the assumption would be "they got access"
The FBI wouldn't keep this stuff secret, unless it wanted to avoid public media..The same thing happened then as "still hasn't" and the same thing happening now...
It will be over before too long, and everyone wlll get back to work.
Says you. It's the first thing i go poking about,
However, we never hear much about that now, so the assumption would be "they got access"
The FBI wouldn't keep this stuff secret, unless it wanted to avoid public media..The same thing happened then as "still hasn't" and the same thing happening now...
It will be over before too long, and everyone wlll get back to work.
Says you. It's the first thing i go poking about,
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Alphanumeric encompasses uppercase, lowercase, and digits. “Symbols and anything else” just means punctuation. So throw in a comma or some such - search space goes way up. But I’d hardly describe alphanumeric (upper/lower/digits) as “so insecure”. 62 symbols is a huge improvement over 10. The big thing after you get past digits-only, is to use sufficient length.
That's because you are alive. Your wife watches you and your password! Really not that hard at all.
The dead man's iPhone is a different story.
good for aapl for their security strength
curious how much money the govt is spending to crack this one
curious how much money the govt is spending to crack this one
If you write down a six-digit number, your range of possibilities is 000000 to 999999, i.e. there are indeed 1 million possible values.
If, on the other hand you use alphanumeric values, i.e. each character is A-Z, a-z or 0-9, that gives you 62 possibilities for each character. Six alphanumeric characters gives you 62 to the power 6 possible passwords, which is 56,800,235,584 possible passwords, much stronger.
Adding special characters like + or _ into the mix makes things even stronger.
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This buys you about 11 days.
Assuming you can get by iOS with a jailbreak or ZDE:
The secure enclave requires a minimum 80 millisecond hardware delay between guesses. Average time to guess:
4 digit numeric password ~ 7 minutes
6 digit numeric password ~ 11 hours
8 digit numeric password ~ 46 days
10 digit numeric password - 12.5 years
4 digit alpha numeric (sufficient randomness)~ 7 days
6 digit alpha numeric (sufficient randomness)~ 72 years
8 digit alpha numeric (sufficient randomness)~ 276,000 years
That's what I use, mine might be harder to remember than your example, but more secure.
what did law enforcement do before technology? I mean why do they care so much what is on someones phone? People having been doing serious crime for longer than 10 years before all this crazy cell phone era what did they do before all of this? Seems like real detective work is not enough nowadays?
This is just pure stupidity. You are a product thus corporation want and get your data; Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc. Don't take it personally but the government couldn't give a **** about your existence.
”The Holocaust was legal. Slavery was legal. Segregation was legal. People who hid Jews in their homes were criminalized. People who freed slaves were criminalized. People who stood up for equality and justice were criminalized. Legality is not a guide for morality!”
I’d rather be the judge of whether the government of the day should be allowed to snoop my private data.
Honestly, I don't really care about law enforcement doing what they need to do to keep the country safe - I have nothing to hide from them. Sadly, there is no way to create a way into devices for legitimate law enforcement that cannot also be exploited by bad actors.
A criminal with access to my devices will have access to my bank accounts, credit cards, mortgage, payroll and tax information; contacts, photos, and other personal communications. Gaining access would allow them to wipe me out financially and steal my identity. "Don't put those things on your phone!" is not a solution - security is a solution.
There are many other bad actors who should not have this access. Authoritarian governments would have a field day with this - the Saudis, the Russians, the North Koreans and the Chinese are doing everything they can to undermine western democracies, squash dissenting voices, and assert control. Depending on your political viewpoint, you might also believe the current US government is veering in that direction too.
The terrorists and criminals being pursued by law enforcement will move on the second they deem a channel insecure for coordinating their efforts. They can and do adapt. In the meantime, you would have completely obliterated a legitimate need for privacy and security among citizens for little gain.