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FBI Issues Denial About Leaked UDID List

Matt-M said:
Thank you, no. I learned long ago that it is impossible to have reasoned debate with anyone at your level of conspiracy theory paranoia.



Impressive how you made the leap from two guys demoing a concept at a Black Hat conference to the US Govt. deploying 15,000 of them to "lock on everyone" (your words).

Must be a scary place in your mind.
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Your twisting my comments. Those are seperate issues. The drone program already started and is in use by police forces and army whithin the US already. Mainstream Media has already reported on 15000 drones over US by 2015.
The wifi spy drone is a different animal coming into light now.

Use any *cliche* you want *conspiracy theorist etc..*. What is scarier are people who are in denial and un-interest to be informed.

PS Drones over US are camera spy drones and some of them armed. (like the ones that are in use now by US government to assasinate people overseas).
 
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munkery said:
Not close to being able to hack into every wifi network. Cellular data other than phone conversations is not compromised.

Last time I checked I didn't talk about things that anybody in the government would care about on the phone.

Nobody wants to hear me whine about my problems. Not even the people that are supposed to listen. Such is life.
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I hear you on that lol. apparently it's for sale for $6,000 in another article I read. Guess who is front line to get it?
 
thewap said:
I hear you on that lol. apparently it's for sale for $6,000 in another article I read. Guess who is front line to get it?
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Other than the equipment to mitm cell signals, everything else is relatively cheap and I have seen some estimates as low as $600 to build yourself.

I think the real bad guys know how to mitigate the impact of voice conversations being monitored given that this isn't a new technique by law enforcement. Burner phones being an example.

So, I don't see how devices such as the wifi drone are anything more than interesting proofs of concepts.
 
munkery said:
Other than the equipment to mitm cell signals, everything else is relatively cheap and I have seen some estimates as low as $600 to build yourself.

I think the real bad guys know how to mitigate the impact of voice conversations being monitored given that this isn't a new technique by law enforcement. Burner phones being an example.

So, I don't see how devices such as the wifi drone are anything more than interesting proofs of concepts.
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hopefully you are right.

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Matt-M said:
Thank you, no. I learned long ago that it is impossible to have reasoned debate with anyone at your level of conspiracy theory paranoia.



Impressive how you made the leap from two guys demoing a concept at a Black Hat conference to the US Govt. deploying 15,000 of them to "lock on everyone" (your words).

Must be a scary place in your mind. :)
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/7/coming-to-a-sky-near-you/


Wahington times states 30,000 by 2020, if I recall ABC stated 15000 by 2015, other sources have confirmed hundreds already have been sold to police/riot swat teams all over the US.

PS.. remember not to mention that congress already passed the drone bill and that the president has signed on it... you might be called a conspiracy theorist...
 
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OrangeSVTguy said:
I wonder if it came from that Russian hacker that exploited the In-App purchases exploit a few months back?
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Do you have any info on those Russian hackers?, I couldnt find anythingexcept the allegations made by the feds. They also did a shut down of the internet in India I think a week after ours. Some are thinking that it was an exercise by the feds for their new internet *kill switch* in case of martial law.
 
The fact these hackers scrubbed peoples information before the release makes me dubious. I mean if it was real, you would think it would make their case more credible if they dumped a few names as well.


I wonder if there is any real way to prove it was the FBI's file now regardless?
 
MrVinney96 said:
So…. if the UDIDs aren't from the FBI computer, where are they from?
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Considering app developers have been able to collect your UDID and other identifying info since iOS 2.2, could have been anyone with 12,000,000 downloads of their app
 
thewap said:
Do you have any info on those Russian hackers?, I couldnt find anythingexcept the allegations made by the feds. They also did a shut down of the internet in India I think a week after ours. Some are thinking that it was an exercise by the feds for their new internet *kill switch* in case of martial law.
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Can you quickly explain this "kill switch"? Thanks!
 
Orange Furball said:
Can you quickly explain this "kill switch"? Thanks!
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With the NDDA and more bills in congress that are trying to have control over the internet, it has been rumored that the Feds have been developing a system method to instantly kill all internet service (black out) in the US should an *emergency* arise. For example if there was an uprising against government, or civil unrest, or martial law, effectively shutting down the only non-controlled by special interest news media source left in the US. Some believe the FBi's declaration of Russian hackers was a false flag and was actually the kill switch test the feds now may have.
 
mlmwalt said:
This is a great read!!! Thanks guys!!! :D

Remember the old saying: Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me.... :p
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Lol.. a healthy suspicion of government is as American as Jefferson and the basis of the constitution of the United States. The Gov. it seems have been passing many bills that have eroding the people's rights in secret, supported by both parties. There is no difference IMO between the parties and their policies.
All we ever hear is rhetoric and social issues as their platform...as they gain more power and we loose our rights.
 
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TheWap:

There is a difference between a healthy dose of paranoia and being a nutjob who seems to have on a mercury-alloy foil hat, and lives in a world of paranoia
 
G33kX said:
TheWap:

There is a difference between a healthy dose of paranoia and being a nutjob who seems to have on a mercury-alloy foil hat, and lives in a world of paranoia
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Very true, which also applies to people who are paranoid to learn the truth about what goes on behind closed doors in government.
:D
 
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Matt-M said:
Must be a scary place in your mind. :)
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I've said from the start that this could easily be faked. The UDIDs may be entirely random and made-up.

It could be an attempt by the FBI or NSA or others find out who wants to download the csv file. One of the servers that hosted the file may be owned by them or by someone they control.

The way law enforcement people think is, if you want "stolen" UDID information, you're already a bad guy. They are very narrow minded. They aren't out to protect people, they want to get promotions and raises.

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G33kX said:
There is a difference between a healthy dose of paranoia and being a nutjob who seems to have on a mercury-alloy foil hat, and lives in a world of paranoia
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You seem to be paranoid of paranoid people, therefore a nutjob.
 
thewap said:
Lol.. a healthy suspicion of government is as American as Jefferson and the basis of the constitution of the United States.
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You're trying to make a sheep think for itself. All it knows is how to sniff other sheeps' asses.

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johncrab said:
Never believe anything until it is officially denied.
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How to spot the truth:

1. The person saying it was assassinated or jailed by our Leaders.
2. The person saying it was mocked by people in power, or their lackeys.
3. The person saying it went into exile.

Galileo Galilei was a conspiracy theorist.
 
So, wait a minute, ...

... When I read the article about the stolen data first, the comment suggested that this is the kind of data an App producer would get through his App on phones through purchasing, interacting etc. My first thought was: 'I don't know of any App the FBI would publish.' Then I thought further: 'Maybe there is an App which correlates with suspicious activity.' but that didn't lead anywhere. So I thought of stolen iPhones and that some phone companies wanted to create a list so that with the modern GPS capabilities and UDID, you could track them down, but then again, that list would not need many user specific numbers because once the phone is found, the phone companies or Apple could find the rightful owner.

In essence: That the FBI has a list of 14mio phones of which 13mio are filled with blanks does not make any sense at all. I work as a social investigator for a state department (of a state, not the State Dept. in Washington D.C.) and having such a list would rather hinder my work than help it. There are way better lists of information - plus, as law enforcement, the FBI can subpoena wire traps on phones and all the information case by case. Also, criminals usually use prepaid phones to avaid tracking - not iPhones...

...you know how I figured? I put my tinfoil hat down! ;)
 
FBI, LOL

I dont believe you.

If Eric Holder resigned and was replaced, I would have an easier time; but this clown is about as trustworthy as Alberto Gonzales
 
kkamann said:
However, I'm certainly not saying the FBI is incapable of having such a list and that it was hacked. I'm just saying this social hack theory is also a real possibility, and I don't trust the hacker(s) either.
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Remember it's been less than a year since Apple cut off access to UDIDs for apps and really started their whole "you must tell folks you are accessing their private information or we will cut your app out of the store" stuff. Who knows how old this info is but they might have gotten it before that time.

Also, remember that free IAP hack. How do we know that they weren't part of that. At one point it made you sign in your Apple ID and password. With that they have access to all kinds of info. and possible access to get more. How many folks out there aren't tech heads and do things like use the same email and password for things like Amazon. I get your deets and see you have downloaded the kindle app so I could go try the same info on Amazon with a good shot it will work. And who knows what other info was being sent when folks used that hack.

and so on.

As for why they would drag the FBI into it. Two big reasons. One is that the whole privacy thing guarantees that linking the government into this will get blogs to post it. Two is that the FBI etc are looking to shut down these groups so they like to do whatever they can to embarrass the government as a kind of payback/taunt. Not to mention that such a link can raise the perceived value if they try to sell the info



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b166er said:
This story has been out a whole day and no one has spun it into an election season "issue"

I'm proud of you guys.
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One of these Senators up for election will, especially if it's one that already has a digital rights/security bug up his butt.

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thewap said:
According to many reports, the gov. agencies have set up a huge database to contain every single bit of information of any and all citizens in the US.
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Yep. That show Person of Interest is actually true. They just figure if they let it out as a fictional story folks will not realize that it isn't fiction at all.
 
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