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FBI Reportedly Gained Access to iPhone Used by Mass Shooter in Florida After Apple Refused to Help
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Asking Apple was just a political move so they can go on TV and say Apple won’t help them catch terrorists. They already knew Apple wouldn't add a back door to their phones before they asked
In the short term. For the FBI. It was good for the FBI in the short term. Bad for everyone else, including the FBI.
...Apple always complied with handing over iCloud data. They just don’t have the *means* to unlock a device.
If I ask you to lift a car over your head today, is asking again tomorrow going to change the fact that it’s physically impossible for you to do so?
Again, the FBI is now days away from *legally* searching not only your email, BUT YOUR INTERNET HISTORY, *without a warrant*
This entire story is a repeating propaganda campaign to pressure Apple into building them a back door. The SAME type of story has been popping up every 6 months since the big news blow up that actually got headlines years ago.
I think everyone is missing the relevant point here. There are so many Apple exploits that a firm that buys Apple exploits has stopped buying them.
That says all one needs to know about the current state of affairs in Apple software. But the good news is none of those exploits seem to relate to emojis, so Apple is pretty happy.
That says all one needs to know about the current state of affairs in Apple software. But the good news is none of those exploits seem to relate to emojis, so Apple is pretty happy.
Thank you for your condescending tone. It’s always a pleasure to read knee jerk comments from those who themselves have lost any semblance of critical thinking.
I work in telecommunications, have not lost my ability to think critically and am intimately familiar with telecommunication carrier obligations like Lawful Access, which you probably have no clue as you drone on about America's inability to think critically citing some obscure TV show as the basis of your claim.
I know that Apple is not bound by Lawful Access regulations, but when the phone was created, it did not store information locally as smartphones do today. If law enforcement presents a valid court ordered search warrant, like they must do if requesting a Lawful Access "tap", then the recipient of that search warrant should comply.
The key here is "court ordered search warrant" where law enforcement must present their case before a court of competent jurisdiction. If you’re going to say you don't trust the courts, then I guess you have lost all reason and assume the entire American judicial system is corrupt or collapsing.
The bottom line, companies like Apple can and should play their part to help law enforcement solve or prevent crime.
There's a lot of reason for the FBI (or law enforcement in general) to ask as opposed to needing to find some other way. There are also plusses and minuses for Apple to comply. The thing is, Apple now cannot state "what happens on your iPhone stay on your iPhone" and at the same time has no idea how access was attained by the FBI, how prevalent it is, whether it's iOS version specific… anything at all.
If Apple were to offer a means for entry at any time it could be closed, or modified, via a software update if any abuse was determined. That "door" would provide Apple with control over the means of entry. Now, the FBI can presumably do what it like and when it likes without having to ask anyone. I don't see how that's better. It's not like it's hard for Apple to create a system that still requires an action on their part to offer access, or not, no different to say how 2FA works.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand the concerns of both abuse, consent and privacy but Apple's closed door policy only incentivises the busting open of iOS. Do you really think the FBI (or whomever is actually doing this) has stopped finding doorways just because they found the one to work? It's a constant investment in time and funds and maybe a middle road can be found that works for everyone. Law enforcement is funded by the taxpayer after all.
Seriously? So Cellebrite and other similar companies, can easily get into an Apple phone, but Apple, the company that designed, engineered, and manufactured iPhone, would not be able to? That's a real knee-slapper.
Of course Apple could, the issue is they're not compelled by law to engineer a method to get into a password protected phone in order to comply with a law enforcement request.
Which is totally different than Apple providing decrypted stored iCloud data to law enforcement when presented with a warrant signed by a judge.
Very old news. It's widely known that the FBI got into one of the phones a very long time ago without the help of
Except for the fact that the FBI is the most corrupt government agency in the history of the US government. As such no-one should cooperate with them. They have a history of prosecuting people when no crimes have been committed solely for political purposes. The fact that no one on this forum is in the FBI's sights right now should not obscure the risk to everyone.
More than anything it reminds you of the dangers of a police state. Law enforcement is very necessary, but the kinds of things they're willing to do in the pursuit of justice, makes you happy we don't live in one. All things in moderation.Yeah, that's my take away as well. You can't really fault the FBI if Apple is unwilling to assist. And I'm glad Apple's stance is what it is. But the FBI is going to do what the FBI's going to do.
EDIT- Whoops, wrong Florida shooting (reading fail), was thinking of Pulse. Can't keep them all straight. Regardless...
And there we have it ... the real underlying sentiment ... the entire US law enforcement system is corrupt (that's sarcasm if you are unable read between the lines) ... how novel and people like you want to talk about America loosing it's critical thinking
What in the world are you talking about? The existence of a *legal procedure* does NOT change the fact that the iPhone is not designed in anyway to get accessed if Apple waves a magic wand (key).
How does having a court ordered warrant change THAT Fact, which is the entire point here?
Exactly like the iPhone belonging to the San Bernardino shooter a couple years ago.
If you believe Apple has absolutely, positively, beyond the shadow of a doubt no way on earth to access data in the iPhone, you have drunk waaaaaay too much of their cool aide.
I believe they have to pay for Option 2 and I am sure their procurement requires them to show that they tried the cheaper route of asking Apple to open the phone first, before going to option 2 which means paying big money to get access.
Looks to me that there is a backdoor, since the FBI was able to gain access.
...you just pointed out the entire thing. Of course Apple has the capacity to use their internal security team, tasked with finding exploits, to then develop on them further rather than close them.
They’re not compelled to do so, and nor should they.
Cellebrite, on the other hand, is a company dedicated to developing exploits they find or buy into full end user equipment to break into phones. Those are two different models at play here.
Are you arguing that Apple SHOULD be compelled to do so?
The icloud data was never part of this conversation, Apple has always been handing that over when presented with a warrant.
Are we misunderstanding each other or something? You’ve laid out my exact argument, but it appears you want Apple to be compelled to develop and provide a means for breaking into the device itself?
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That’s an exploit that was developed into a break in tool, that’s not the same as “here’s the key”. Exploits get patched, backdoors are there by design and make security nothing but an illusion rather than an engineering principle.
Don’t forget guys, the CIA/Five Eyes “crown jewel” tools got hacked into. Building in a backdoor just fundamentally cements a system as insecure.
This was also reported last Thursday, so maybe people aren't commenting about it much here because they expressed their thoughts there. 🤷♂️
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I’m sticking within the confines of declared engineering, which nobody to date has been able to disprove at conferences and studies.
If you’re asking me if I trust one of the largest multinational corporations on the planet in a capitalist economic model, no I don’t, but that’s a different conversation from the engineering one at hand.
