To crack THAT phone running THAT OS...
Whatever bugs were exploited for this may already have been fixed. We don't know; possibly even Apple doesn't know.
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FBI Reportedly Gained Access to iPhone Used by Mass Shooter in Florida After Apple Refused to Help
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To crack THAT phone running THAT OS...
Whatever bugs were exploited for this may already have been fixed. We don't know; possibly even Apple doesn't know.
Let all recall all the modern day data breaches that have occurred. Now, imagine your phone has a government mandated back door that is compromised by a criminal organization. Imagine now that it is not your phone that was compromised, but the CEO of Lockheed Martin or a government official. We do not become inherently safer by making it easier for criminals to compromise our digital security. The opposite is in fact true. And what about state sponsored hacking... Why would we make it easier for countries like China to steal intellectual property. This whole idea of a back door that only the “good guys” can use is a false bill of sale.
Thank you! This is being glanced over or completely overlooked by most. Glad you brought it up, even if only this relatively small community sees it.
It’s long past time that Americans should have ANY faith or give the benefit of the doubt to the surveillance apparatus.
So glad we have Tim Apple as The Judge and The Jury and The Supreme Leader on these cases.
This will not end well for them. Guaranteed.
This will not end well for them. Guaranteed.
Only if configured to.
Default, yes, but configurable.
Biometrics only acts as “yup, still me using this.”
If you have reason for real security, you enable a long password. I expect an al Qaida operative would.
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Tim/Apple isn’t. They comply if they can, say “no” if they can’t. When building a security product, if you can breach your own security system, you have a high priority bug that must be fixed.
It’s a bit disingenuous to say that Apple “refused to help” the FBI. Apple gave as much information they could glean from these phones from criminals without cracking the phone itself. Apple has every right to protect privacy. The FBI has every right to crack these phones using 3rd party methods.
Nothing? Not exactly....
FBI phone probe links al Qaeda to Saudi who killed three at Florida base, Barr says
The FBI cracked the iPhone encryption of the Royal Saudi Air Force trainee who killed three American sailors in a December attack at a naval base in Florida, and found evidence linking him to al Qaeda, Attorney General William Barr said on Monday.
Nothing? Not exactly....
FBI phone probe links al Qaeda to Saudi who killed three at Florida base, Barr says
The FBI cracked the iPhone encryption of the Royal Saudi Air Force trainee who killed three American sailors in a December attack at a naval base in Florida, and found evidence linking him to al Qaeda, Attorney General William Barr said on Monday.www.reuters.com
You'll have to forgive me for not accepting Barr's statement at face value. He already publicly distorted Apple's response to the FBI's request, and he has clear motivation for claiming that cracking the phone yielded important information. What's stopping him from conflating or confusing whatever was gleaned from the iPhone with the iCloud data Apple supplied? Newspaper reports lacking important details like this one shouldn't be taken as absolute fact. Reuters is merely reporting what was said, not making a judgement as to the speaker's reliability.
Sorry, I'll take what Barr says more seriously than your hypothetical ramblings.
....can I ask why? The man has a loooong track record of fighting for the concept that the Office of President is above any law or oversight (the term is “imperial presidency”). He’s a political operator (amongst many in both parties), his word should never be taken for granted given his extensive track record that goes far further back than the Trump administration. He was in the CIA for Christ’s sake. His pedigree IS lying for a purpose.
Because the FBI’s ultimate goal is to get Apple to install a backdoor. By loudly calling out Apple they hope it puts pressure on them in the court of public opinion to do so. Both parties are reticent to end up in the law courts because it could set a precedent not in their favour.
Hasn't Apple been consistently clear that they CANNOT -- as in, it is literally impossible for them -- do this?
When I worked for Microsoft, our policy regarding passwords on Excel, Word, and other types of documents was clear -- WE COULD NOT BREAK A PASSWORD. Period. "Can you help me break a password?" "No." "Why not?" "Because we literally have no way to do it."
The next time the FBI asks, Apple needs to respond only with a URL that points to a web page that says, "We have no way to do what you are asking. Please stop wasting our time and yours and STOP ASKING."
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You need to read "Nineteen Eighty-Four" (aka "1984").
I can think of one thing: "trust" ...Since when does trust trump privacy? In a perfect world. privacy should always remain number #1, if you care about it.. why should others be doing the job you can do better? Mainly since "you have physical control over it"
When privacy is yours, don't need to care what others say how good they say works best for them... They deal with a large customer base,,, and that is fine....
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We all should lower our expectations of device privacy And security from Apple. After all, The FBI has been a foil to President Blumph. By golly I hope there are tapes.
Cellbrite and others have exploits because the FBI doesn’t do their job and inform Apple of the Sayanim employed at Apple. In fact, I’d suspect that they helped put them there. Then the FBI can shrug and say “oh some techies overseas cracked it”.
Cellbrite and others have exploits because the FBI doesn’t do their job and inform Apple of the Sayanim employed at Apple. In fact, I’d suspect that they helped put them there. Then the FBI can shrug and say “oh some techies overseas cracked it”.
Apple didn't seem legally obligated to help the FBI. So good for Tim Apple who stands for all of our rights. Even those who criticize him.