FCC Has Voted to Repeal Net Neutrality Rules

[gavroche]

Your naivety and sanctimony is what helped Trump win. Congrats. Perfect candidates don’t exist.

HRC and her cronies are beyond just imperfect candidates. Its amazing that people are willing to accept her going under oath and claiming that she didnt know what classified markings were... when she was head of the damn State Department. As if someone could obtain that level of security clearance and prominance and not know. Seriously? And its amazing that the same people are willing to ignore how many major Obama appointment heads refused to testify inder the 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves. And to claim their computer hard drives remarkably all died at the same time (and all emails were lost. Which, anyone on this forum of all places knows what rediculous odds there are that there were no server backups anywhere).
As far as im concerned, people that can ignore all that can please shut up and go away about complaining about any other parties’ issues.

 

[stars_fan]

As a Brit with an American fiance we are seriously thinking long and hard about where to raise a family.
America isn't a democracy any longer, despite my many criticisms and even loathing at times of the UK our parliamentary democracy works a hell of a lot better than your democracy. Our politicians might be incompetent but they do still answer to us, I can even call and chat to my MP, he only won by something like 20 votes during the last election.

I do not want to raise my children in anything less than a fair democracy.

Please don’t move to the US. You don’t even understand our type of government. I’ll give you a hint. It’s not a democracy.

 

[Zachari]

They can let the FTC, handle that. (Because that’s their job.)

You do realize Comcast and others were already slowing down certain sites who weren’t paying them to get optimum speed. Even though consumers were already playing them super high prices for bandwidth. Why should I pay for a certain speed but have that same provider slow down the site I want to use because they want up double dip to get addition money for access to the internet that they get to use for free.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Please don’t move to the US. You don’t even understand our type of government. I’ll give you a hint. It’s not a democracy.

Those of us already here don't even know what it is anymore

 

[BernyMac]

You do realize Comcast and others were already slowing down certain sites who weren’t paying them to get optimum speed. Even though consumers were already playing them super high prices for bandwidth. Why should I pay for a certain speed but have that same provider slow down the site I want to use because they want up double dip to get addition money for access to the internet that they get to use for free.

Is there proof of this? (legitimate question, I keep hearing this but I want to see actual proof)

 

[turbineseaplane]

They can let the FTC, handle that. (Because that’s their job.)

Tom Wheeler isn't too impressed with that prospect..
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-ajit-pais-plan-to-kill-net-neutrality-rules/

 

[stars_fan]

You are certainly free to opine that things are better with the roll-back of net-neutrality rules, but I don't think public servants blatantly ignoring the will the people who are majority in support of net-neutrality, and not delaying vote while all the fake public comments debacle is investigated, I don't see how as a citizen in a democracy you can celebrate this.

You have no proof that the majority of people oppose this ruling. I work in IT as a network engineer and I only know one person on my team that supports NN and he’s a ******* crazy liberal.

 

[shyam09]

Those of us already here don't even know what it is anymore

Anymore? It never was a democracy. It's always been a democratic republic.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

HRC and her cronies are beyond just imperfect candidates. Its amazing that people are willing to accept her going under oath and claiming that she didnt know what classified markings were... when she was head of the damn CIA

Wow...talk about out of the loop. Before you take issue with Hillary it might be helpful to actually know what she was in charge of. Hint: it wasn't the "damn CIA".

 

[chriscrk]

Comments like this do nothing but divide the country even more.

1. You're allowed to vote for a candidate and not agree with 100% of their policies. There are hundreds of issues a president tends to over their tenure, so stop acting like all Trump voters cast their vote with a "haha the internet will die now!" mentality.

2. The reaction to the net neutrality stuff is so unbelievably overblown, it's insane. The internet will continue on, and we'll forget that this even happened 6 months from now when literally nothing changes.

3. Nothing is as black and white as you and many other people are making it out to be. For every downside that comes with repealing net neutrality, there are upsides (at least from the republicans' point of view). It's not like they're going into this whole ordeal licking their chops at the thought of the internet collapsing. They have good motives whether you like it or not.

FWIW, I am in support of net neutrality. I'm not supporting the ruling today by any means - I'm only judging the ridiculous overreaction to it all and the asinine attacks from the anti-Trumpers as though all Trump voters must agree 100% with everything Trump does. Again, nothing is that black and white.

I could care less if they agree 100% or 50% with Trump.

If you voted for Trump and don't regret it by now, you're an embarrassment of a person.

 

[turbineseaplane]

You have no proof that the majority of people oppose this ruling. I work in IT as a network engineer and I only know one person on my team that supports NN and he’s a ******* crazy liberal.

Check the national polling…
83 percent bipartisan support for NN (this has grown all year based upon earlier polls this year also)

http://thehill.com/policy/technolog...ers-support-keeping-fccs-net-neutrality-rules

 

[gavroche]

Wow...talk about out of the loop. Before you take issue with Hillary it might be helpful to actually know what she was in charge of. Hint: it wasn't the "damn CIA".

Sorry, i was heated and misspoke. Of course she was head of the State Department.
But that does not change my point at all. Are you denying that she testified under oath that she thought the Classified markings on documents were Paragraph headings?
Are you denying many Obama officials pled the Fifth?
Are you denying a number of officials had their hard drives "die", and all copies of all of their emails somehow get erased from all servers?

I get that its easy to jump on a typo, and call me out of the loop... and ignore the substance of what was said. Easy way out.

 

[T-R-S]

Websites like Netflix, Youtube, Facebook, Google would have never been able to start up and evolve without net neutrality.
This is going to sensuously slow down in web development, it's for sure going to stop or stop development on web based applications. If governments telco's and cable companies think that charging for bandwidth is great idea then they should look to countries that already do that and look at those countries nearly non-existent tech sectors. The US is major leader in tech companies this is going to give countries like China, India, Ukraine, EU and Russia a serious advantage over the US down the road. Comcast already throttles Netflix in California and stuff like that is only going to make things worse.
One thing is for certain that with the internet there now will new room for companies that do work arounds for ISP's that want to throttle traffic. I can also see down the road some anti-trust lawsuits against ISP's as well if they are given free reign, it may not happen with the current gov't but they will not be power forever.

 

[gavroche]

Did you not read it?
It is not twitter discussion or arguing or crazy people at all.

It's a wonderful history thread from someone who works at the EFF.
It just happens to be on twitter (good way to reach a large audience).

It's really good background history on this topic.
Do me a favor...trust me...click the link real quick and I think you'll find it informative.

(There are links throughout to the types of sources you're asking for)

I'll concede i dont ever use twitter... so i'm not familiar with it. But i did click it before and tried to read. And interspersed with the persons comments... were responses from other people. So it comes across exactly as a forums comments section to me. I'd much prefer to see a traditional, normal article or report. I'm open minded, and willing to be informed.

 

[Saipher]

Yes, finally all the fear mongering from the left can stop. The world will continue to spin and innovation will not be hindered by Obama era regulation.

He's joking right?! Please, tell me he's joking...

 

[turbineseaplane]

@gavroche Did you see Post 478?

In the interest of trying to have a fair discussion I'd really appreciate if you would click on that link and see that what I posted was not in fact a Twitter argument or anything of the kind.

Lots of people in here seem to be missing tremendous amounts of background information and that link provides some good insights


Edit. We replied at the same time.
I'm not sure what was loading for you but the first 14 numbered items are the history lesson with relevant links to exceptionally good sources as you asked for.

Disregard things past post 14.

Just because something is disseminated on Twitter doesn't make it irrelevant. It just means they're trying to reach a larger audience which is on social media platforms, love it or hate it.

As with anything the source is what matters, and a legal counsel at the EFF is a superb source.

 

[Lloydbm41]

HRC and her cronies are beyond just imperfect candidates. Its amazing that people are willing to accept her going under oath and claiming that she didnt know what classified markings were... when she was head of the damn State Department. As if someone could obtain that level of security clearance and prominance and not know. Seriously? And its amazing that the same people are willing to ignore how many major Obama appointment heads refused to testify inder the 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves. And to claim their computer hard drives remarkably all died at the same time (and all emails were lost. Which, anyone on this forum of all places knows what rediculous odds there are that there were no server backups anywhere).
As far as im concerned, people that can ignore all that can please shut up and go away about complaining about any other parties’ issues.

Well, it’s cool to talk about ancient history, or we could talk about the fact that we have a President that blatantly put someone in charge of the FCC (that was so biased towards big business it is laughable), in order to destroy consumer protections and benefit big business.

Honestly, why are people still talking about ‘IF’ HRC had won, this or ‘that’ might have happened or are like you and live in the past, burying your head in the sand ignoring what is happening today! HRC didn’t win and quite frankly no one cares about her, except the defenders of Trump. You people need to wake up and move on with your lives.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Great link from Wired.
Honestly, all should give it a quick read.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-biggest-whoppers-from-the-fccs-net-neutrality-meeting/

 

[BernyMac]

Websites like Netflix, Youtube, Facebook, Google would have never been able to start up and evolve without net neutrality.

Why not? Did these companies start up in 2015?

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Sorry, i was heated and misspoke. Of course she was head of the State Department.
But that does not change my point at all. Are you denying that she testified under oath that she thought the Classified markings on documents were Paragraph headings?
Are you denying many Obama officials pled the Fifth?
Are you denying a number of officials had their hard drives "die", and all copies of all of their emails somehow get erased from all servers?

I get that its easy to jump on a typo, and call me out of the loop... and ignore the substance of what was said. Easy way out.

Easy way? No. We have to have a base starting point of accuracy first before futher discussion can take place. State Dept. Vs CIA...not exactly the same thing..at all.

Now, as to your points...of course I don't think she was ignorant to classification. If someone wants to make a case out of that and prove it, good luck I wish them the best.

Yeah I am denying that "many" Obama officals pled the fifth. Define many.

Source to the hard drive thing? I'll address it when I know what you are looking at, although all this stuff is off topic, nothing to do with this thread and should be taken elsewhere. It does amaze me how many people want to deflect onto Hillary no matter the subject though.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Why not? Did these companies start up in 2015?

Scroll up and check out that Wired link.
There are answers within

 

[thespacekid]

Did they really add a provision that States can't make their own rules? And would that really stand in court? I think only Congress would have such authority, not the FCC, and AFAIK there was no vote on it?
I hope States will be able to fight back, I know they are already preparing to take action here in WA.

The US Constitution gives the federal government the right for its laws to take precedence over state laws. The FCC has done similar things like this in the past such as preventing local cities from making satellite dishes illegal just because they want to.

 

[Altis]

Wait - there is a difference there.

Each of those are private company platforms.

That's the whole point.
We don't want the Internet to behave like those platforms do.

So it's the same -- private companies blocking access to other companies content.

I agree that the Internet shouldn't work like that but the number of people that want NN but are endlessly defending other tech giant's anti-consumer practices is staggering.

At least the ISPs will have to disclose their throttling before you agree to sign up or pay.

Apple will just throttle your device when the battery loses health or screw you with an iOS update chalk full of bugs and that runs like crap. This should upset the same people.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I agree that the Internet shouldn't work like that but the number of people that want NN but are endlessly defending other tech giant's anti-consumer practices is staggering.

Ok, fair enough, but do we need to bring that into this discussion?
I agree - the entrenched Tech companies are indeed becoming a big problem on their own.
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At least the ISPs will have to disclose their throttling before you agree to sign up or pay.

You sure?

"After the repeal, ISPs will be able to block, throttle, and prioritize content in exchange for payment. They'll have to disclose those activities on their websites or by providing the information to the FCC, though they will not have to make those disclosures to consumers at the point of sale."

From: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...eal-helps-isps-keep-their-hidden-fees-hidden/

 

[hellopupy]

How bad was the internet in 2015 before so called net neutrality was installed?

Net neutrality is a distraction. The bigger problem that nobody is looking at is how ISPs have regional monopolies, that is the root of internet quality/prices.