All NN is trying to do is enforce "treating all bits equally". Full stop.
That's something you should be in support of as an individual citizen.
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FCC Has Voted to Repeal Net Neutrality Rules
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All NN is trying to do is enforce "treating all bits equally". Full stop.
That's something you should be in support of as an individual citizen.
That doesn't matter because people like yourself aren't looking to have their opinions changed. You want to live in a bubble and only once you see the horrors in front of our eyes, will you realize how mistaken you were.If you want others to take your opinions seriously, don’t be condescending of other’s viewpoints.
It's called forsight, and all the Netflix lawsuits. Without an education in business, most people don't have the education required to analyze this issue. I wrote what the difference between then and now is here. Check it out. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...eutrality-rules.2095089/page-15#post-25598106
Right - and every bit will be CHARGED equally. These corps are NOT altruistic, they are trying to LOWER their cost and pass that to us.
Thanks for the reply, just cements my analysis.
I came looking for the one level-minded, dissenting post on page 1 and I found it. Thank you.
I had to laugh at Netflix’ angry tweet. About how the “era” of innovation was over. Sure there Netflix. Two years doesn’t make for an era.
I’m not even going to bother reading the other 15 pages of this thread because I’m sure it’s chuck full of ignorant “what about muh Netflix” type don’t-throttle-me-bro posts.
People should be much more concerned with the huge size of tech and media conglomerates that now exist and the monopolies they now hold. And yes, Google is one of them (especially with YouTube), despite their championing of Net Neutrality.
Also huge companies like AT&T, Verizon (which were “baby Bells” that have grown enormous again) and Disney, which just bought 21st Century Fox and wants to yank their whole catalogue from Netflix. These media and tech monopolies are a far greater threat to an open internet than any of the boogey man inspired fears of losing Net Neutrality.
Yeah but do you really believe that the ISP's spent millions lobbying for this so they could change nothing? I sure don't.
I don't understand what your analysis is exactly.
What do you envision happening in an unrestrained monopolistic ISP environment?
I realize that, but there is a difference. ISPs can theoretically restrict access to information, to certain news sources. Algorithms and target advertising already created societal bubbles. Operative systems do not have this kind of impact in society. Hence, it is vital to defend internet neutrality, and not whether an OS is close course
And with no (or too little - effectively the same) competition and now no rules and only a toothless FTC to worry about, do you think that will get worse or better?
They absolutely do.
Internet net neutrality is no different than Apple, Amazon, Google, etc all fighting for control over what content you have access to, what content exists, and Apps suddenly aren't available on other platforms, etc , etc, etc.
Wait - there is a difference there.
Each of those are private company platforms.
That's the whole point.
We don't want the Internet to behave like those platforms do.
I trust them 100%. Comcast has never lied about anything, done anything shady, or screwed anyone over. That's why they are the most unloved company in America.
Remember when Comcast was charging Netflix access to it's customers?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...k-neutrality-obsolete/?utm_term=.30d6c2dde1ad
It's foolish to think that ISPs wont look to take advantage of this freedom, they have a long history of doing just that when they can. This also isn't a "left vs right" issue, this is a consumer issue that affects all of us. Don't be foolish.
https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
MADISON RIVER: In 2005, North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked the voice-over-internet protocol (VOIP) service Vonage. Vonage filed a complaint with the FCC after receiving a slew of customer complaints. The FCC stepped in to sanction Madison River and prevent further blocking, but it lacks the authority to stop this kind of abuse today.
COMCAST: In 2005, the nation’s largest ISP, Comcast, began secretly blocking peer-to-peer technologies that its customers were using over its network. Users of services like BitTorrent and Gnutella were unable to connect to these services. 2007 investigations from the Associated Press, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others confirmed that Comcast was indeed blocking or slowing file-sharing applications without disclosing this fact to its customers.
TELUS: In 2005, Canada’s second-largest telecommunications company, Telus, began blocking access to a server that hosted a website supporting a labor strike against the company. Researchers at Harvard and the University of Toronto found that this action resulted in Telus blocking an additional 766 unrelated sites.
AT&T: From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone. The wireless provider wanted to prevent iPhone users from using any application that would allow them to make calls on such “over-the-top” voice services. The Google Voice app received similar treatment from carriers like AT&T when it came on the scene in 2009.
WINDSTREAM: In 2010, Windstream Communications, a DSL provider with more than 1 million customers at the time, copped to hijacking user-search queries made using the Google toolbar within Firefox. Users who believed they had set the browser to the search engine of their choice were redirected to Windstream’s own search portal and results.
MetroPCS: In 2011, MetroPCS, at the time one of the top-five U.S. wireless carriers, announced plans to block streaming video over its 4G network from all sources except YouTube. MetroPCS then threw its weight behind Verizon’s court challenge against the FCC’s 2010 open internet ruling, hoping that rejection of the agency’s authority would allow the company to continue its anti-consumer practices.
PAXFIRE: In 2011, the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that several small ISPs were redirecting search queries via the vendor Paxfire. The ISPs identified in the initial Electronic Frontier Foundation report included Cavalier, Cogent, Frontier, Fuse, DirecPC, RCN and Wide Open West. Paxfire would intercept a person’s search request at Bing and Yahoo and redirect it to another page. By skipping over the search service’s results, the participating ISPs would collect referral fees for delivering users to select websites.
AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet, a mobile-payment system that competed with a similar service called Isis, which all three companies had a stake in developing.
EUROPE: A 2012 report from the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications found that violations of Net Neutrality affected at least one in five users in Europe. The report found that blocked or slowed connections to services like VOIP, peer-to-peer technologies, gaming applications and email were commonplace.
VERIZON: In 2012, the FCC caught Verizon Wireless blocking people from using tethering applications on their phones. Verizon had asked Google to remove 11 free tethering applications from the Android marketplace. These applications allowed users to circumvent Verizon’s $20 tethering fee and turn their smartphones into Wi-Fi hot spots. By blocking those applications, Verizon violated a Net Neutrality pledge it made to the FCC as a condition of the 2008 airwaves auction.
AT&T: In 2012, AT&T announced that it would disable the FaceTime video-calling app on its customers’ iPhones unless they subscribed to a more expensive text-and-voice plan. AT&T had one goal in mind: separating customers from more of their money by blocking alternatives to AT&T’s own products.
VERIZON: During oral arguments in Verizon v. FCC in 2013, judges asked whether the phone giant would favor some preferred services, content or sites over others if the court overruled the agency’s existing open internet rules. Verizon counsel Helgi Walker had this to say: “I’m authorized to state from my client today that but for these rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements.” Walker’s admission might have gone unnoticed had she not repeated it on at least five separate occasions during arguments.
The court struck down the FCC’s rules in January 2014 — and in May FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler opened a public proceeding to consider a new order.
In response millions of people urged the FCC to reclassify broadband providers as common carriers and in February 2015 the agency did just that. Since his appointment in January 2017, FCC Chairman Pai has sought to dismantle the agency's landmark Net Neutrality rules. He must be stopped.
The price Netflix charges customers has little to do with Net Neutrality. Their prices have been steadily going up to pay for a growing content library. Netflix needs more money to produce more original content, it's not difficult to understand. I don't understand why you equate this with that bill. The second Netflix does something I don't like I can ditch them, try doing that with your ISP of which you might have one option.
What will happen is you will pay more for your ISP package in order to recieve certain content and likely the big ISPs will force Netflix and others to pay up in order to not have their service throttled to customers. This is double and triple dipping by ISPs.
Who cares what happened almost 300 years ago? What does that have to do with anything.
Also the US is classed as democracy, what else would you class yourselves under? Oilgarchy perhaps?
You're suggesting after this vote that the US represents the will of the people and the UK doesn't? Right then. When was the last time a vote in the US made any difference? Personally I've had two massive decisions to vote on in the last few years, I have half a dozen political parties to choose from, about 20 ISPs.
Between the murder rate and road fatality rate being 5 times higher, life expectancy 2 years lower, a democratic system that's completely broken down, no legal entitlement to holidays or paternity pay I'm not too sure I want to move.
OMG! the internet in the USA is already slow, bad quality and expensive, I can imagine what will happen now!
I've been hearing that line for at least the last six months. Hasn't gone quiet. Funny how that happens when people are charged with and plead guilty to crimes.
Shouldn't you be directing that to the right, considering they are the ones currently in charge?
He also thinks the man was born in Kenya. Much like some people on this site, he is obsessed with Obama. But being obsessed with someone doesn't lead to good policies. This NN issue is a good example.
Are you talking about Ben Thompson?
I saw about 5 different superb rebuttals to his piece.
Normally I love Ben, but he's way too optimistic on this subject and got a lot of background facts wrong.
I agree with his premise that there's a better way to regulate things, but the time to repeal existing regulations is after something better is on the table, not before.
Yes, but that assumes even the most basic critical-thinking skills, and Obama/Clinton voters/supporters overwhelmingly don't possess those. All the proponents of liberalism have to do is yell "SCIENCE!" and "RELATIVISM!" and "TRUMP!" and 99.99999% of their sheeples will simply roll-over and blindly follow (and that's a true-fact!) So yeah, it will get bad for everyone, but those responsible will simply continue to blame all us proud capitalists and conservatives because that's what they are told to do. And, let's face it, the left has a hell of a propaganda machine, which they use with extraordinary efficiency.
Hey look, it can go the other way too. Such tripe isn't really fit for a proper, civil, discussion though, is it?