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FCC Has Voted to Repeal Net Neutrality Rules

palmerc2 said:
My bad, allow me to clarify....blocking free speech is one of the things the media and public figures are pushing is ISP’s now could prevent free speech, among other things. Just more nonsense.
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Again I said nothing about free speech so that does not apply to my post.


palmerc2 said:
People are acting as though the internet was horrible, sold in packages, throttled, etc, before 2015.
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The concern is how it can turn out. I'v already posted about Comcast trying to charge Netflix more to access to it's customer base back 2014. It's the very thing the NN stopped and was designed for. I also posted examples of how ISPs tried various ways of screwing over consumers for that extra buck. It would be foolish to think that ISPs wouldn't look to take advantage of this opportunity to make more off the backs of their customers. I'v also pointed out that there are large parts of the country that don't have choices when it comes to their internet. Again my area has Comcast and ATT, at the same time one block over from me is an unincorporated area of a few blocks that doesn't even have cable lines in. They are limited to Sat for cable and DSL for net. Their DSL sucks donkey balls too. They have no other options. Another neighborhood over is the exact same way as they are an old subdivision. Though their DSL is slightly better being closer to the hub. That area isn't expected to get upgraded for another 3 yrs.

This doesn't even touch on Comcast's and Im sure many other ISPs datacaps. Comcast has a 1000gb cap and my family of 4 hits that every other month with all the streaming and work we do online. It's $10 bucks for each additional 50gb of usage. As more and more services go to streaming and more people cut cable, that means more data usage and ISPs such as cable providers will look to recoup those losses with higher net premiums. Which again this change will offer them those opportunities to look for ways to do just that. I have to reiterate this, you would be a fool to think that ISPs won't look for ways to take advantage of this. History shows otherwise.
 
gavroche said:
I get what you are saying.... but what do you think is accomplished by saying things like "blatantly" put someone in charge... or "to destroy consumer protections"....
Statements like these do no good... because anyone that disagrees with you, who you should want to try to persuade to your thinking, is not going to respect or listen to what you have to say. Because guess what.... for a lot of these issues reasonable people can disagree on what is the best thing to do.... for perfectly valid reasons. And its pretty bold to think that because someone doesn't agree with you they want to "destroy" consumers.
As someone who's a bit older than the average person here and who's witnessed a lot of election cycles.. thats one of the biggest complaints i have about politics.. and about many of the Democrats I know. Its that they think all of their ideas are perfect.. and anyone that doesn't agree with them are morons, or corrupt criminals. But the truth is that on many issues both sides want the same outcomes, they just have different ideas for how to get there. And rather than just debate different ideas for solving a problem, they have to just create some other issue to distract you from the actual issue.
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I’m also older than the average user here having started watching politics with Reagan and Mondale. But that is neither here, nor there.
My point is, why would a President put a Verizon lawyer (known to be biased against net neutrality and pro-business) in charge of an agency that’s very existence is to protect the rights of consumers against big business? We call that a conflict of interest, regardless of party affiliation. This is not conjecture or opinion, but a matter of public record by Ajit Pai himself.
 
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Why is everyone overreacting to this???. Since 2015, my internet has gone up in price, they've instituted a bandwidth cap, and then cut that cap in half!! So i guess net neutrality wasn't doing me any good. I don't know about all of you who claim the internet is gonna be unfair. I've gotten more screwed in the last two years since they came out with it.

Internet worked just fine for me up until 2015. At first everyone was against net neutrality. Now everyone is a big fan of it??? I don't get it.

All I know is the government doesn't get anything right so I don't want them involved in regulating anything.
 
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Macintoshrumors said:
For what exactly?
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Have you bothered reading the 210 pages of the 2017 proposal or are you just regurgitating your opinion based on the misinformation that you have seen plastered online. There was nothing wrong with the internet before 2015 and now the govt grip on the internet is lossened. Read the repeal, the doom md gloom is not going to happen.
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Don't know about you but I remember Netflix was unusable in my area because of a dispute over throttling. I remember these disputes and others over providers favoring their content and throttling others unless they paid the providers more. Does anyone remember any of this? You will soon enough...
 
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riverfreak said:
If after all of the revelations of the past few years, you don’t ALREADY have a VPN...

But at any rate, I wouldn’t be a tiny bit surprised if the use of VPNs is outlawed in the US, followed by more severe traffic shaping.
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"Upgrade to the VPN package!"
"Just $39.95/mo on top of your existing service, subject to caps, shaping and time of day restrictions"
 
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Zachari said:
Exactly. Obama appointed Ajit.
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He put him on the commission to appease the Republican Mitch McConnell, not because he was Obama's first choice. It was a horse trade. Pai would have been gone in May 2017, if Trump had lost. Unfortunately, Trump won and put Pai in charge of the FCC for a 5 year term.

Glad you decided to leave all that info out though. I'm sure you didnt do it on purpose. :rolleyes:
 
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This thread is a PERFECT example of what's wrong with this country. "Republicans ruined the country." Democrats ruined the country." "Republicans are stupid." "Democrats are stupid." "Republicans are bad." "Democrats are bad."

Yeah, I guess Lincoln was stupid when he freed the slaves. I guess JFK was stupid when he called Khrushchev's bluff and said, no nukes in Cuba.

Let's just wait and see how this plays out. We all still have to wake up tomorrow and go to work. Jeez. There are people dying across the world for lack of simple necessities and everyone's worried about the cost of the damn internet?
 
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turbineseaplane said:
"Upgrade to the VPN package!"
"Just $39.95/mo on top of your existing service, subject to caps, shaping and time of day restrictions"
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You forgot “In accordance with government regulations, we retain all logs of geographic location and network activity.”

Welcome to America. The cost of your Magameal will be automatically deducted from your Magawage for the day.
 
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riverfreak said:
You forgot “In accordance with government regulations, we retain all logs of geographic location and network activity.”

Welcome to America. The cost of your Magameal will be automatically deducted from your Magawage for the day.
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Hey, a few more mega mergers and we can just get our TV, Movies, Music, Phones and Net connection through "Media Co".

Pricing: If you have to ask.... Take it or leave it
 
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Hirakata said:
This thread is a PERFECT example of what's wrong with this country. "Republicans ruined the country." Democrats ruined the country." "Republicans are stupid." "Democrats are stupid." "Republicans are bad." "Democrats are bad."

Yeah, I guess Lincoln was stupid when he freed the slaves. I guess JFK was stupid when he called Khrushchev's bluff and said, no nukes in Cuba.

Let's just wait and see how this plays out. We all still have to wake up tomorrow and go to work. Jeez. There are people dying across the world for lack of simple necessities and everyone's worried about the cost of the damn internet?
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The cost of Internet is absolutely the least concern here. Unfortunately that seems lost on most people.
 
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Can anyone explain the case against net neutrality to me? I’ve read all of the fear mongering posts saying that getting rid of it is a terrible thing, and I want to understand the counter argument.
 
Tokenfreak said:
It is good because as Pai said it is to stop the federal government from "micromanaging the internet". He also said, "It is not going to destroy the internet. It is not going to end the internet as we know it. It is not going to kill democracy. It is not going to stifle free expression online,". So quit worrying so much!! I support Trump and if he says it is good I believe it is a good thing. He is doing everything to try an make America great again after the left has almost destroyed it.
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Destroying America isn’t making it great “again”, which we know what that really means.
 
izyreal said:
Can anyone explain the case against net neutrality to me? I’ve read all of the fear mongering posts saying that getting rid of it is a terrible thing, and I want to understand the counter argument.
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You'll likely hear some version of "it's innovation stifling"


https://www.investopedia.com/insights/does-net-neutrality-stifle-investment-and-innovation/


The last paragraph sums it up..

It seems like the government is determined to roll back net neutrality rules, and there's very little internet companies or consumers can do about it now. Although the FCC chair argues that net neutrality has led to lower investment, he is relying on industry consultants, think tanks and trade associations to make this claim, which certainly weakens his position.

While it is possible ISPs may invest in more advanced networks if the rules are repealed, it is difficult to find evidence for this, and the companies have reportedly been telling investors they haven't affected investment. The greater question is at what and whose cost will net neutrality be rolled back? Investment in companies dependent on high speed internet is likely to drop if internet providers are free to discriminate between users, and MIT Technology Review has reported this has already begun. Netflix CEO Reed Hastings told Recode in May that net neutrality is not the company's primary battle anymore, because it's big enough to get the deals it wants, but it's crucial for startups.
 
Zachari said:
Heh. Now you know how we felt for 8 years.
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No.
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100% serious.
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I don’t usually like saying things like this as I don’t know you. But you’re an idiot and I think you said what you did in your original post simply because you are in one particular camp. Not because you weigh up facts and reason, you’ve got the mindset of a fanatic. Do you hate net neutrality because Title 2 was used to reclassify the ISPs during Obama’s era?

I’d like to add, I dislike both US political parties. I have zero political affiliation.
 
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izyreal said:
Can anyone explain the case against net neutrality to me? I’ve read all of the fear mongering posts saying that getting rid of it is a terrible thing, and I want to understand the counter argument.
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Let me try.

“Corporations have been hindered from innovating by burdensome regulations.”

Of course, the US has and has had totally substandard broadband access since long before the regulations went into effect.

Why? Corporations in America simply won’t invest in infrastructure unless they are given a handout.

If you think that giving them new revenue streams will translate into them investing in more infrastructure, I have a MAGA hat for you. They have shareholders clamoring for profit. They aren’t going to dump money into underserved rural communities. Not happening. Sorry. Ajit Pai is just simply dead wrong. Time will demonstrate that. Feel free to bookmark this post.
 
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riverfreak said:
If you think that giving them new revenue streams will translate into them investing in more infrastructure, I have a MAGA hat for you. They have shareholders clamoring for profit. They aren’t going to dump money into underserved rural communities. Not happening. Sorry. Ajit Pai is just simply dead wrong. Time will demonstrate that. Feel free to bookmark this post.
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Yep - just like all the Tax Cuts that they're going to use to do anything other than invest and job create.
It's a handout to the donor class just as this is a handout to the Corporations who lobbied.
 
izyreal said:
Can anyone explain the case against net neutrality to me? I’ve read all of the fear mongering posts saying that getting rid of it is a terrible thing, and I want to understand the counter argument.
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ComCast would be a good example to use. Right now, I pay for high speed internet at a cost of $94 per month. (I don't have a contract anymore, hence the high price.) I could pay less and get slower dl speeds though. This does not violate net neutrality.

That said, without Net Neutrality, I will still be paying for high speed internet, but certain sites won't load as fast as others, or content may be shut off entirely (depends on if the content providers will pay ComCast to put their content in public consumption channels or into high speed 'pay to use' fast lanes. It's up to ComCast to regulate itself. And guess what, I have no other ISP in my area. ComCast has a monopoly. So for anyone trying to give a case against net neutrality... then they are being paid by ISPs or simply lemmings following the word of Trump without actually thinking this through. There is no benefit to get rid of net neutrality for consumers... none!
 
usamaah said:
The innovation of the internet pre-2015 NN rules was because ISPs had not been prioritizing traffic large scale for most of the internet. (Home ISPs weren't, cellular companies were). But around 2012/2013 the ISPs were upset about all these private companies like Netflix and Google (YouTube) that were making money while the ISPs were being treated as dumb pipes.
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Its funny you think that writing an essay gives you a position of authority on a subject when it is intellectually dishonest at the best. You don't even understand the difference between Tier-1 and Tier-3 network providers.
 
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