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Yes, finally all the fear mongering from the left can stop. The world will continue to spin and innovation will not be hindered by Obama era regulation.
What an embarrassment. You are actually defending this action just because....because. You’d rather a ***** grabbing, 5 certified lies a day buffoon running your country than an intelligent thoughtful man.
 
That’s a fair assessment of Americans.

But we do have the best pizza in the world (sorry Naples), the best music (sorry Colombia, Brazil, PR; salsa and reggaeton just get boring), the best landscapes (duh), and a whole bunch of other awesome stuff like Bieber and skateboarding and The Yankees and whatever. The only thing bad is our donuts. We seriously need Tim Horton’s to take over all the failing malls ASAP. Anyway, I’m getting a little weepy right now and need to put on Lee Greenwood. Back in 3 minutes and 35 seconds.
Bieber is Canadian... wish they would take him back too!
 
Exactly, my fiancé lives in one of the wealthiest cities in America in an extremely wealthy neighbourhood. She has Comcast or Centurylink with Centurylink offering up something like 2Mb/s is next to useless and Comcast price gouging to the extreme as well as introducing a 1TB cap.
They would rip your hand off for a competitive third choice - but there is none. Believe me, I looked!

You can’t have a completely deregulated market AND massive regional monopolies. It’s utter insanity - this is coming from a right wing, capitalist loving person. But one who’s also studied economics and understands regulation is vital to a healthy competitive economy.

Free markets tend towards natural monopolies or cartels. Does everyone forget Ma Bell or Standard Oil?

Jesus the Brit shouldn’t be having to educate the Americans on functional free market capitalism...

Edit: Just wanted to add, despite my many criticisms of the U.K. our ISP market is pretty healthy. Our defacto monopoly (BT) is heavily regulated and controlled with many smaller ISPs allowed to use their network. We also have many others building their own like Virgin (cable) or Hyperoptic (fibre). Where I live is a bit out there at the edge of civilisation and I have over 20 good ISPs I can choose from. Even the cheapest option is unlimited. Currently paying £37/m for 200Mb and could access 300Mb or 330Mb from two rival ISPs for not much more. But that’s what real free markets get you, low cost and choice.
But then again I also pay £1.20/L for fuel so
I lived in the East Midlands for a few years from 2008-2011 and the internet situation was much better than even today’s US equivalent. Never had an issue with O2 and BT gave me fast internet at home for 1 price. I also cheated the TV tax by stream from my computer to my TV. (Never got caught by the boys in the vans!)

And only £1.20 per litre?!? I remember it being twice that when I was there! Seems as though petrol pricing has gotten better???
 
Reason(able) has no place in America's current political client.
[doublepost=1513313151][/doublepost]Show of hands: how many commenters never experienced dial-up? your vote dont count. lol
Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !
 
Reason(able) has no place in America's current political client.
[doublepost=1513313151][/doublepost]Show of hands: how many commenters never experienced dial-up? your vote dont count. lol

I spent hours and hours and hours in my underwear with an Apple II and a 150 baud modem trying to connect to low availability BBSs that had never heard of nine nines. Then I got a 300 baud modem and everything changed. The rest, as they say, is history. Ajit Pai was still having his diapers cleaned out by his momma.
 
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Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !

Totally nothing like the white noise of the information state. That’s a Neal Gibson quote I believe. A very poetic interpretation of what it felt like, in my opinion. A door. An escape. Another world.
 
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Exactly, my fiancé lives in one of the wealthiest cities in America in an extremely wealthy neighbourhood. She has Comcast or Centurylink with Centurylink offering up something like 2Mb/s is next to useless and Comcast price gouging to the extreme as well as introducing a 1TB cap.
They would rip your hand off for a competitive third choice - but there is none. Believe me, I looked!

You can’t have a completely deregulated market AND massive regional monopolies. It’s utter insanity - this is coming from a right wing, capitalist loving person. But one who’s also studied economics and understands regulation is vital to a healthy competitive economy.

Free markets tend towards natural monopolies or cartels. Does everyone forget Ma Bell or Standard Oil?

Jesus the Brit shouldn’t be having to educate the Americans on functional free market capitalism...

Edit: Just wanted to add, despite my many criticisms of the U.K. our ISP market is pretty healthy. Our defacto monopoly (BT) is heavily regulated and controlled with many smaller ISPs allowed to use their network. We also have many others building their own like Virgin (cable) or Hyperoptic (fibre). Where I live is a bit out there at the edge of civilisation and I have over 20 good ISPs I can choose from. Even the cheapest option is unlimited. Currently paying £37/m for 200Mb and could access 300Mb or 330Mb from two rival ISPs for not much more. But that’s what real free markets get you, low cost and choice.
But then again I also pay £1.20/L for fuel so

And you have healthcare.
 
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Free markets tend towards natural monopolies or cartels. Does everyone forget Ma Bell or Standard Oil?

Jesus the Brit shouldn’t be having to educate the Americans on functional free market capitalism...

I agree they do, so wouldn’t the answer be that it’s time to go trust busting? A bunch of commenters here say there’s only one ISP where they live. But they always stop short of suggesting it’s time to start breaking monopolies.

It hasn’t really been done in the US for about 2 decades, i.e. the modern age of the internet, and many of the tech and communications companies that were birthed since have had a great ride because of it. Ironically, if it weren’t for earlier rounds of monopoly busting, the current crop of huge tech titans likely wouldn’t have flourished into what they are today.

The US government has the ability to go after monopolies. The problem is that many of these same tech and communications companies also pay many millions to lobby Congress each year. I suspect this is why we haven’t seen much government interest in breaking up monopolies, despite it being needed.
 
Comcast in April

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I agree they do, so wouldn’t the answer be that it’s time to go trust busting? A bunch of commenters here say there’s only one ISP where they live. But they always stop short of suggesting it’s time to start breaking monopolies.

It hasn’t really been done in the US for about 2 decades, i.e. the modern age of the internet, and many of the tech and communications companies that were birthed since have had a great ride because of it. Ironically, if it weren’t for earlier rounds of monopoly busting, the current crop of huge tech titans likely wouldn’t have flourished into what they are today.

The US government has the ability to go after monopolies. The problem is that many of these same tech and communications companies also pay many millions to lobby Congress each year. I suspect this is why we haven’t seen much government interest in breaking up monopolies, despite it being needed.

Happy to bust up the local internet monopoly. Two problems. Time and money. Can you help? Not joking. How do you go about that?
 
He put him on the commission to appease the Republican Mitch McConnell, not because he was Obama's first choice. It was a horse trade. Pai would have been gone in May 2017, if Trump had lost. Unfortunately, Trump won and put Pai in charge of the FCC for a 5 year term.

Glad you decided to leave all that info out though. I'm sure you didnt do it on purpose. :rolleyes:

Most people don’t have a clue outside of their own partisan bubble. If the party says it’s true it must me true. No need to think for themselves or do a litttle research to educate themselves.
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Comcast in April

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Comcast now:

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This pretty much says it all. They left the throttling part out completely. Are people really that politically blinded and that stupid to think this is a good thing?
 
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This doesn’t bother me since I was pretty ok with internet from 1996-2015. Obama obsessed over regulating EVERYTHING. He couldn’t expand government fast enough. For those blaming one political party for the **** show America is, please. Take off your blinders and stop drinking the MSM kool-aid. I’m almost positive we continue to elect DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS election after election. There is no one party in control. What’s worse, we love the idea of smooth talking ‘polished’ career politicians...because they’re experienced. :rolleyes: It’s a joke. America is a place that worships money and power, values athletes and entertainers over doctors, scientists, and teachers. As long as we have our conveniences, all is well. We deserve to fall. We had 8 years of Bush because of Clinton. 8 years of Obama because of Bush. And we have Trump because we had 8 years of Obama. Imagine what we’ll get next... probably another baffoon like Trump and Obama.
 
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Happy to bust up the local internet monopoly. Two problems. Time and money. Can you help? Not joking. How do you go about that?

Well as I said, the US government is fully capable of doing that. Problem is, would you open investigations into companies that are also paying you millions? Doesn’t seem likely, and these companies know where their bread is buttered. The ISPs, Silicon Valley, and the media conglomerates have gained huge wealth and influence, to the detriment of consumers.
 
I lived in the East Midlands for a few years from 2008-2011 and the internet situation was much better than even today’s US equivalent. Never had an issue with O2 and BT gave me fast internet at home for 1 price. I also cheated the TV tax by stream from my computer to my TV. (Never got caught by the boys in the vans!)

And only £1.20 per litre?!? I remember it being twice that when I was there! Seems as though petrol pricing has gotten better???

I’m no fan of the BBC so don’t worry. Between covering up child rapists, extremely biased news coverage, 7 figure salaries for their ‘stars’ and firing of white male journalists I’ve lost all respect. They only thing they still do well is their documentaries.
The vans are also a myth, they worked decades ago but today aren’t a thing.

It hit £1.40 a while ago but is now back down at the still outrageous £1.20ish mark. Perhaps because I’m not too far from the oil fields?
How you can put a duty on something then tax the duty is beyond me.

Despite BT being a bit **** along with Openreach compared to the US telecos they are saints. I’d say for the most part competition is strong and healthy even if it could be a lot better. After living and visiting in Germany often it put things in to perspective - it’s like the US of Europe, lack of options and low speed service. My German friends all joke and complain about it. I complain our roads are ****, they complain their internet is ****.
 
Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !

Oh yeah, I remember all of that. Back when I was in my 30’s.
 
I agree they do, so wouldn’t the answer be that it’s time to go trust busting? A bunch of commenters here say there’s only one ISP where they live. But they always stop short of suggesting it’s time to start breaking monopolies.

It hasn’t really been done in the US for about 2 decades, i.e. the modern age of the internet, and many of the tech and communications companies that were birthed since have had a great ride because of it. Ironically, if it weren’t for earlier rounds of monopoly busting, the current crop of huge tech titans likely wouldn’t have flourished into what they are today.

The US government has the ability to go after monopolies. The problem is that many of these same tech and communications companies also pay many millions to lobby Congress each year. I suspect this is why we haven’t seen much government interest in breaking up monopolies, despite it being needed.

No, I completely 100% agree. It’s time to smash those regional monopolies. Most of them are basically the remnants of Ma Bell that have slowly merged back together into bigger and bigger monopolies.

While you’re at it, perhaps thinking about taking a sledge hammer to the banks. Too big to fail = time to break them up.

Didn’t Roosevelt warn about all this? And the military industrial complex?
I think a huge chunk of the problems could be fixed if you banned lobbying and removed gerrymandering.
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And you have healthcare.

It’s probably the one subject I disagree most with my American fiancés family.

They think I’m attacking the quality of US healthcare. I’m not, I’m sure it’s very good. It’s the way it’s setup and provided that is utterly broken.

Also they have this view that the NHS is like some sort of 1970’s Soviet healthcare system. They just will not listen to me when I talk about it.
Last time I was sick I went to my GP (same day), was admitted to hospital (same day), that day I had received a CT scan, the next day I had an MRI and lumbar puncture and was well looked after. Yes the NHS has some major problems and needs a major reworking. But I would pick it over the US healthcare system any day of the week.

My country also has a two year average longer life expectancy which is pretty huge and should tell people something.
 
I’m no fan of the BBC so don’t worry. Between covering up child rapists, extremely biased news coverage, 7 figure salaries for their ‘stars’ and firing of white male journalists I’ve lost all respect. They only thing they still do well is their documentaries.
The vans are also a myth, they worked decades ago but today aren’t a thing.

It hit £1.40 a while ago but is now back down at the still outrageous £1.20ish mark. Perhaps because I’m not too far from the oil fields?
How you can put a duty on something then tax the duty is beyond me.

Despite BT being a bit **** along with Openreach compared to the US telecos they are saints. I’d say for the most part competition is strong and healthy even if it could be a lot better. After living and visiting in Germany often it put things in to perspective - it’s like the US of Europe, lack of options and low speed service. My German friends all joke and complain about it. I complain our roads are ****, they complain their internet is ****.
Despite the weather and having to pay for things like TV Tax, Car Tax, etc... , I loved living in Blighty. Maybe it was the area north of Cambridge or the people... just felt like home to me and I loved it. Great country!
 
He put him on the commission to appease the Republican Mitch McConnell, not because he was Obama's first choice. It was a horse trade. Pai would have been gone in May 2017, if Trump had lost. Unfortunately, Trump won and put Pai in charge of the FCC for a 5 year term.

Glad you decided to leave all that info out though. I'm sure you didnt do it on purpose. :rolleyes:

It’s sad to think that Ajit Pai — who seems like a genuinely smart but impressionable guy — ascended to his current position because of a horse trade with MM, a guy that doesn’t even own a horse, let alone a conscience. Shallow, empty, manipulative liar. MM will go down in history as one of the greatest fake successful failures of our democracy. Mitch’s coming downfall will be truly specatcular, rivaling that of the fake moralist Newt Gingrich. Remember him? Yeah. He’s now a moral compass. Lol.
 
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