I’ve literally read every thread I can find on this debate, from Ars to Reddit and I’ve not seen a signal reasonable argument to get rid of NN, not a single argument
That's because there isn't one (as you've noticed)
I’ve literally read every thread I can find on this debate, from Ars to Reddit and I’ve not seen a signal reasonable argument to get rid of NN, not a single argument
What an embarrassment. You are actually defending this action just because....because. You’d rather a ***** grabbing, 5 certified lies a day buffoon running your country than an intelligent thoughtful man.Yes, finally all the fear mongering from the left can stop. The world will continue to spin and innovation will not be hindered by Obama era regulation.
Reason(able) has no place in America's current political client.That's because there isn't one (as you've noticed)
Bieber is Canadian... wish they would take him back too!That’s a fair assessment of Americans.
But we do have the best pizza in the world (sorry Naples), the best music (sorry Colombia, Brazil, PR; salsa and reggaeton just get boring), the best landscapes (duh), and a whole bunch of other awesome stuff like Bieber and skateboarding and The Yankees and whatever. The only thing bad is our donuts. We seriously need Tim Horton’s to take over all the failing malls ASAP. Anyway, I’m getting a little weepy right now and need to put on Lee Greenwood. Back in 3 minutes and 35 seconds.
Well, tell that to Trump.That’s the spirit. That’s not divisive at all.
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I lived in the East Midlands for a few years from 2008-2011 and the internet situation was much better than even today’s US equivalent. Never had an issue with O2 and BT gave me fast internet at home for 1 price. I also cheated the TV tax by stream from my computer to my TV. (Never got caught by the boys in the vans!)Exactly, my fiancé lives in one of the wealthiest cities in America in an extremely wealthy neighbourhood. She has Comcast or Centurylink with Centurylink offering up something like 2Mb/s is next to useless and Comcast price gouging to the extreme as well as introducing a 1TB cap.
They would rip your hand off for a competitive third choice - but there is none. Believe me, I looked!
You can’t have a completely deregulated market AND massive regional monopolies. It’s utter insanity - this is coming from a right wing, capitalist loving person. But one who’s also studied economics and understands regulation is vital to a healthy competitive economy.
Free markets tend towards natural monopolies or cartels. Does everyone forget Ma Bell or Standard Oil?
Jesus the Brit shouldn’t be having to educate the Americans on functional free market capitalism...
Edit: Just wanted to add, despite my many criticisms of the U.K. our ISP market is pretty healthy. Our defacto monopoly (BT) is heavily regulated and controlled with many smaller ISPs allowed to use their network. We also have many others building their own like Virgin (cable) or Hyperoptic (fibre). Where I live is a bit out there at the edge of civilisation and I have over 20 good ISPs I can choose from. Even the cheapest option is unlimited. Currently paying £37/m for 200Mb and could access 300Mb or 330Mb from two rival ISPs for not much more. But that’s what real free markets get you, low cost and choice.
But then again I also pay £1.20/L for fuel so
That was a test of your reading comprehension. You passed.Bieber is Canadian... wish they would take him back too!
Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !Reason(able) has no place in America's current political client.
[doublepost=1513313151][/doublepost]Show of hands: how many commenters never experienced dial-up? your vote dont count. lol
Reason(able) has no place in America's current political client.
[doublepost=1513313151][/doublepost]Show of hands: how many commenters never experienced dial-up? your vote dont count. lol
If you allowed Hillary to be your candidate, YOU did this.
You can blame the left for putting forth a garbage candidate.
Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !
Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !
Exactly, my fiancé lives in one of the wealthiest cities in America in an extremely wealthy neighbourhood. She has Comcast or Centurylink with Centurylink offering up something like 2Mb/s is next to useless and Comcast price gouging to the extreme as well as introducing a 1TB cap.
They would rip your hand off for a competitive third choice - but there is none. Believe me, I looked!
You can’t have a completely deregulated market AND massive regional monopolies. It’s utter insanity - this is coming from a right wing, capitalist loving person. But one who’s also studied economics and understands regulation is vital to a healthy competitive economy.
Free markets tend towards natural monopolies or cartels. Does everyone forget Ma Bell or Standard Oil?
Jesus the Brit shouldn’t be having to educate the Americans on functional free market capitalism...
Edit: Just wanted to add, despite my many criticisms of the U.K. our ISP market is pretty healthy. Our defacto monopoly (BT) is heavily regulated and controlled with many smaller ISPs allowed to use their network. We also have many others building their own like Virgin (cable) or Hyperoptic (fibre). Where I live is a bit out there at the edge of civilisation and I have over 20 good ISPs I can choose from. Even the cheapest option is unlimited. Currently paying £37/m for 200Mb and could access 300Mb or 330Mb from two rival ISPs for not much more. But that’s what real free markets get you, low cost and choice.
But then again I also pay £1.20/L for fuel so
Free markets tend towards natural monopolies or cartels. Does everyone forget Ma Bell or Standard Oil?
Jesus the Brit shouldn’t be having to educate the Americans on functional free market capitalism...
I agree they do, so wouldn’t the answer be that it’s time to go trust busting? A bunch of commenters here say there’s only one ISP where they live. But they always stop short of suggesting it’s time to start breaking monopolies.
It hasn’t really been done in the US for about 2 decades, i.e. the modern age of the internet, and many of the tech and communications companies that were birthed since have had a great ride because of it. Ironically, if it weren’t for earlier rounds of monopoly busting, the current crop of huge tech titans likely wouldn’t have flourished into what they are today.
The US government has the ability to go after monopolies. The problem is that many of these same tech and communications companies also pay many millions to lobby Congress each year. I suspect this is why we haven’t seen much government interest in breaking up monopolies, despite it being needed.
He put him on the commission to appease the Republican Mitch McConnell, not because he was Obama's first choice. It was a horse trade. Pai would have been gone in May 2017, if Trump had lost. Unfortunately, Trump won and put Pai in charge of the FCC for a 5 year term.
Glad you decided to leave all that info out though. I'm sure you didnt do it on purpose.![]()
Comcast in April
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Comcast now:
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Happy to bust up the local internet monopoly. Two problems. Time and money. Can you help? Not joking. How do you go about that?
I lived in the East Midlands for a few years from 2008-2011 and the internet situation was much better than even today’s US equivalent. Never had an issue with O2 and BT gave me fast internet at home for 1 price. I also cheated the TV tax by stream from my computer to my TV. (Never got caught by the boys in the vans!)
And only £1.20 per litre?!? I remember it being twice that when I was there! Seems as though petrol pricing has gotten better???
Loved dial up & the handshake----and the BBS boards, Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, then AOL--that was progress and 56 k modems wow what an upgrade that was, brings tears to my eyes !
I agree they do, so wouldn’t the answer be that it’s time to go trust busting? A bunch of commenters here say there’s only one ISP where they live. But they always stop short of suggesting it’s time to start breaking monopolies.
It hasn’t really been done in the US for about 2 decades, i.e. the modern age of the internet, and many of the tech and communications companies that were birthed since have had a great ride because of it. Ironically, if it weren’t for earlier rounds of monopoly busting, the current crop of huge tech titans likely wouldn’t have flourished into what they are today.
The US government has the ability to go after monopolies. The problem is that many of these same tech and communications companies also pay many millions to lobby Congress each year. I suspect this is why we haven’t seen much government interest in breaking up monopolies, despite it being needed.
And you have healthcare.
Despite the weather and having to pay for things like TV Tax, Car Tax, etc... , I loved living in Blighty. Maybe it was the area north of Cambridge or the people... just felt like home to me and I loved it. Great country!I’m no fan of the BBC so don’t worry. Between covering up child rapists, extremely biased news coverage, 7 figure salaries for their ‘stars’ and firing of white male journalists I’ve lost all respect. They only thing they still do well is their documentaries.
The vans are also a myth, they worked decades ago but today aren’t a thing.
It hit £1.40 a while ago but is now back down at the still outrageous £1.20ish mark. Perhaps because I’m not too far from the oil fields?
How you can put a duty on something then tax the duty is beyond me.
Despite BT being a bit **** along with Openreach compared to the US telecos they are saints. I’d say for the most part competition is strong and healthy even if it could be a lot better. After living and visiting in Germany often it put things in to perspective - it’s like the US of Europe, lack of options and low speed service. My German friends all joke and complain about it. I complain our roads are ****, they complain their internet is ****.
He put him on the commission to appease the Republican Mitch McConnell, not because he was Obama's first choice. It was a horse trade. Pai would have been gone in May 2017, if Trump had lost. Unfortunately, Trump won and put Pai in charge of the FCC for a 5 year term.
Glad you decided to leave all that info out though. I'm sure you didnt do it on purpose.![]()