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Sorry, “well he did it first” is not a valid excuse. Perhaps we should just look at the situation and try to bring people together. Trump was voted in because many felt their voices were not heard under Obama, and the same was going to happen under Clinton.
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WSJ is a respected news source by many on both sides of the aisle actually.

Clinton would never be a divider like a Trump is.
He got go and probably will sooner than later. That guy has been a crook for decades so his time is coming.
 
Im reposting this again as it seems a lot of people are either ignorant that it happened or are blind to notion that ISPs who are bleeding customers to cord cutters wouldn't do what ever they could to recoup lost earnings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...k-neutrality-obsolete/?utm_term=.199638af105a

In recent months, the nation's largest residential Internet service providers have been demanding payment to deliver Netflix traffic to their own customers. On Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Netflix has agreed to the demands of the nation's largest broadband provider, Comcast. The change represents a fundamental shift in power in the Internet economy that threatens to undermine the competitive market structure that have served Internet users so well for the past two decades.

The deal will also transform the debate over network neutrality regulation. Officially, Comcast's deal with Netflix is about interconnection, not traffic discrimination. But it's hard to see a practical difference between this deal and the kind of tiered access that network neutrality advocates have long feared. Network neutrality advocates are going to have to go back to the drawing board.





You can bet your ass that if one does it, others will follow suit. So even if you do happen to live in an area with more then 1 to 2 options, it's moot if they all go off of the same play book. Given that Comcast has already shown proof of concept, you're a fool if you don't think it will happen again as more streaming services pop up and more customers start cutting the cable cord.
 
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The misinformation on this issue is really unprecedented. Net neutrality was a power grab over the internet industry by the Obama administration in the same way the CFPB was a power grab over the banking industry. For example:

1. Government proposes that banks need more regulation to "protect consumers"
2. Dodd-Frank is passed and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is formed.
3. The hefty regulations and fines of these actions forced smaller banks to either go out of business or get swallowed up by larger banks who needed additional liquid capital to meet regulations.
4. The small number of banks who were able to meet the ridiculous rules and regulations imposed are permitted to continue operations. Where do the proceeds from these fines go? Right into the government's pocket.
5. Competition is eliminated and controlled by the government under the guise of consumer protection.
6. Banking starts on the path to monopolization.

Hence, Trump's efforts to split regulations into two sections -- larger banks and smaller banks.

Let's examine the same principle with the internet and net neutrality.

1. Government proposes that net neutrality is needed to prevent "evil internet companies" from restricting access to data based on who you are or what you're accessing.
2. Net neutrality is passed under the guise of the "right to privacy and non-discriminatory data usage".
3. In doing so, net neutrality becomes a utility, much like water and electricity, that can be regulated by the government.
4. Internet companies are far more reluctant to invest in any new networking infrastructure due to uncertain financial implications of net neutrality (which were left open-ended by the Obama admin). This has the biggest impact on rural and less-populated areas.
5. These regulations on internet companies, and the fines introduced alongside them, have the same effect as they did in banking. Smaller broadband companies cannot afford to exist. The larger companies either gobble them up or they go out of business. You eliminate competition by positioning the largest companies as the only ones who can afford to keep up with government regulation.
6. Internet companies have NO incentive to invest in furthering infrastructure, and the government benefits handsomely with more fines and fees.... again, right into their back pocket.

The internet never had any issues with data access restrictions and doesn't need the government regulating a free market. The reason we don't internet packages with access to select websites for 5 or 10 bucks a month is because nobody is willing to pay for them. Hence, the market decides what floats and what sinks, as it should be in this country.
 
zip code 89447 -- go. and dont say satellite,.

Ah. So that zip code does have an ISP. Got it.
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That is simply a gigantic falsehood.

I’ll head you off at the pass since I’m certain you will hedge your response by including things like low bandwidth and highly asymmetric satellite access.

I have exactly ONE choice of internet provider when I am in the US. They haven’t materially changed their service in maybe 15 years.

Edit: fixed the spelling of asymmetric from assymetric. LOL I have a traumatic brain injury.

So you do have more than one choice for ISP. Got it.
 
The misinformation on this issue is really unprecedented. Net neutrality was a power grab over the internet industry by the Obama administration in the same way the CFPB was a power grab over the banking industry. For example:

1. Government proposes that banks need more regulation to "protect consumers"
2. Dodd-Frank is passed and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is formed.
3. The hefty regulations and fines of these actions forced smaller banks to either go out of business or get swallowed up by larger banks who needed additional liquid capital to meet regulations.
4. The small number of banks who were able to meet the ridiculous rules and regulations imposed are permitted to continue operations. Where do the proceeds from these fines go? Right into the government's pocket.
5. Competition is eliminated and controlled by the government under the guise of consumer protection.
6. Banking starts on the path to monopolization.

Hence, Trump's efforts to split regulations into two sections -- larger banks and smaller banks.

Let's examine the same principle with the internet and net neutrality.

1. Government proposes that net neutrality is needed to prevent "evil internet companies" from restricting access to data based on who you are or what you're accessing.
2. Net neutrality is passed under the guise of the "right to privacy and non-discriminatory data usage".
3. In doing so, net neutrality becomes a utility, much like water and electricity, that can be regulated by the government.
4. Internet companies are far more reluctant to invest in any new networking infrastructure due to uncertain financial implications of net neutrality (which were left open-ended by the Obama admin). This has the biggest impact on rural and less-populated areas.
5. These regulations on internet companies, and the fines introduced alongside them, have the same effect as they did in banking. Smaller broadband companies cannot afford to exist. The larger companies either gobble them up or they go out of business. You eliminate competition by positioning the largest companies as the only ones who can afford to keep up with government regulation.
6. Internet companies have NO incentive to invest in furthering infrastructure, and the government benefits handsomely with more fines and fees.... again, right into their back pocket.

The internet never had any issues with data access restrictions and doesn't need the government regulating a free market. The reason we don't internet packages with access to select websites for 5 or 10 bucks a month is because nobody is willing to pay for them. Hence, the market decides what floats and what sinks, as it should be in this country.

I don't have time to debate every single point. I will say this, you are the one misinformed on the subject. Believing private corporations would never wrong you is a huge mistake. With NN, the simple fact is that ISPs want to increase their profits. They want to charge MORE for the existing service and they can do that if they target high-demand data like Netflix or Amazon. That's all this is about. Increasing profits and guess who is going to pay for said profits? That's right, you the consumer. Now if you believe that you are underpaying for internet and you want to pay more then that's fine. But spinning this around into innovation is preposterous.
 
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Wait, so you're saying if it's the only ISP in town and they block amazon.com (or slow it), that people will just stop signing up and use their cellular internet for their monthly internet needs until the ISP caves to market demands? is that what happened with Netflix in 2014 when service over Comcast was slow?
Yeah that is what I am saying I have never had a problem with netflix in my life on comcast. Over 6 years.
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People that have only one option for an ISP will not cancel they can't. And providers have worked very hard to be the only provider in many places.
Its not water. You do not need an internet connection in the home.
 
Yeah that is what I am saying I have never had a problem with netflix in my life on comcast. Over 6 years.
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Its not water. You do not need an internet connection in the home.
I disagree as many places are going VoIP for simplicity. Where I live, you cannot get a POTS line (Plain Old Telephone Service); it's all VoIP, which means you get Internet.

Now, you may say you don't need a landline, but cell service is spotty too and we all have range extenders which use Internet service.
 
I don't have time to debate every single point. I will say this, you are the one misinformed on the subject. Believing private corporations would never wrong you is a huge mistake. With NN, the simple fact is that ISPs want to increase their profits. They want to charge MORE for the existing service and they can do that if they target high-demand data like Netflix or Amazon. That's all this is about. Increasing profits and guess who is going to pay for said profits? That's right, you the consumer. Now if you believe that you are underpaying for internet and you want to pay more then that's fine. But spinning this around into innovation is preposterous.

If you extend that line of thinking, without increased revenue, the ISPs will not have the resources to upgrade their infrastructure or invest in new technology. What happens then? People will complain about crappy service, slow service, outdated equipment, etc. It's cynical and absurd to think that additional cost customers will pay will only pad profits for the ISP company.

I don't see anything wrong with offering variable levels of service. It's done in other industries, such as package delivery. If you want your package there overnight, it costs more (as it should). But if you are not in a hurry, you pay less. Same with internet.... If I only use the internet for email and web browsing, why should I have to pay the same amount as some guy streaming gigabytes of data on Netflix?

It's lost on most people who visit this site, but economy packages for internet services do have a place. Many people, such as retirees, small businesses, or non-techies, would use it. On the flip side, if a person or business, such as a stock trading firm, needs top line access because speed can make a difference, that option should be available at a premium, just like sending a package overnight comes with a premium, or flying first class vs. economy class.
 
I don't see anything wrong with offering variable levels of service. It's done in other industries, such as package delivery. If you want your package there overnight, it costs more (as it should). But if you are not in a hurry, you pay less. Same with internet.... If I only use the internet for email and web browsing, why should I have to pay the same amount as some guy streaming gigabytes of data on Netflix?
Interesting thoughts, but question on the bolded part. Are you also okay with caps then and paying for overages, similar to mobile phone plans? I guess that's the only way it could truly work, but only if the ISPs do not classify data and throttle traffic. The ISP should not throttle the Netflix guy because he chooses their service over their own.
 
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Yeah that is what I am saying I have never had a problem with netflix in my life on comcast. Over 6 years.
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Its not water. You do not need an internet connection in the home.
Yes, the internet is like water. Things are already only available over the internet - job applications (ur local university), IRS forms and instructions (in some areas), middle/high school testing, research, journal articles for colleges/university, required daily email checking for community college courses!, online sections to community college courses even though it is face to face classes. I could go on.
 
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We'll leave the HRC insanity aside and pretend like you mean this. I'll believe it when I see GOP-ers or otherwise stop getting behind Trump/Roy Moore candidates. Until then, I think it's pretty fair for me to assume you're all more willing to burn it down then play like adults who compromise.
She IS a corrupt POS. That is something that stands on its own and has nothing to do with Trump. Trump is a huge dumb ass ... and that also stands on its own.
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This is a huge win. I know most people here are *******s, but anything with government regulations like that needs to go bye bye. Getting rid of this Obama trash piece by piece. #MAGA
I hope this is sarcasm. There is nothing good about this.
 
She IS a corrupt POS. That is something that stands on its own and has nothing to do with Trump. Trump is a huge dumb ass ... and that also stands on its own.
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I hope this is sarcasm. There is nothing good about this.


Trump is the best thing that's happened to America in a loooooooong time and the numbers prove it. Libs are brainwashed into thinking that democrats are going to do anything but look at Detroit etc. I am in no way being sarcastic.
 
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LOL @ Dotard Jr. criticizing those who blasted this decision with a bunch of misinformation and misunderstandings himself. He cited Netflix charging different prices for their service as a "misunderstood" example. I've never - not once - seen anyone say that Netflix charging different prices for different services as going against net neutrality.

I hope he wears deer antlers on his next Safari hunting excursion.
 
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Trump is the best thing that's happened to America in a loooooooong time and the numbers prove it. Libs are brainwashed into thinking that democrats are going to do anything but look at Detroit etc. I am in no way being sarcastic.
"The numbers prove it" ... the numbers for what? And how in any way you can believe that first sentence is beyond me.
 
Trump is the best thing that's happened to America in a loooooooong time and the numbers prove it. Libs are brainwashed into thinking that democrats are going to do anything but look at Detroit etc. I am in no way being sarcastic.
Staying on topic, how is this regulation trash? What harm is it causing?
 
Interesting thoughts, but question on the bolded part. Are you also okay with caps then and paying for overages, similar to mobile phone plans? I guess that's the only way it could truly work, but only if the ISPs do not classify data and throttle traffic. The ISP should not throttle the Netflix guy because he chooses their service over their own.

I would be OK with caps/overages, as long it is clear to the customer that's what will be happening. I dislike throttling, though, so I agree, that should not be done. Don't cripple the service. Instead, let the customer know they are reaching their limit, and give them an opportunity to pay for additional service on their existing plan if they wish (preferably at the same rate). This is what happens with my iPad cellular service. I pay for 1 GB per month, and if I go over on any particular month, I can buy more.
 
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Trump is the best thing that's happened to America in a loooooooong time and the numbers prove it. Libs are brainwashed into thinking that democrats are going to do anything but look at Detroit etc. I am in no way being sarcastic.

Like his historically, record-breaking low approval ratings? His golfing excursions at his overpriced crapholes that cost the taxpayers money? His corrupt cabinet who make millions and take private jets on the taxpayers dime? Making America look like a worse-version of the Kardashian family?

That people think this conman is helping the country is laughable. I'd be curious about what Trump really thinks about his supporters, as he usually tries to exploit people for personal gain.
 
You’re really stuck on her emails, which were investigated by the FBI, after multiple people from Trump’s campaign and administration have now been charged with federal crimes? Trump has lied more in the first year of his presidency than Obama had for eight years. He has had to settle fraud charges over his own businesses and his son and daughter nearly were arrested for fraud. The list goes on and on and on. Clinton’s biggest crime is being a bad politician and a worse candidate.
No no no. Her and her husband are crooks. Nearly every politician in America is a crook. This is why we are the shape we’re in. End of story.
 
I don't have time to debate every single point. I will say this, you are the one misinformed on the subject. Believing private corporations would never wrong you is a huge mistake. With NN, the simple fact is that ISPs want to increase their profits. They want to charge MORE for the existing service and they can do that if they target high-demand data like Netflix or Amazon. That's all this is about. Increasing profits and guess who is going to pay for said profits? That's right, you the consumer. Now if you believe that you are underpaying for internet and you want to pay more then that's fine. But spinning this around into innovation is preposterous.

I never said private corporations won't wrong the consumer. I said the free market won't wrong the consumer. Huge difference. And from that perspective, you are implying that the government would take better care of the consumer of a good or service than the free market. Socialism. The government loves its money, even more than big corporations do.
 
So question... how did the internet work prior to 2015?

In the early days, it was dial-up over the phone company's copper. Who you connected to (AOL, Compuserve, etc) DID control where you could go. Then the phone and cable companies started to offer fast connection. Back in the day, that's all it was, a connection. Because your phone company was just offering connectivity. And the cable company was not much more than a re-broadcaster.

Then the landscape started to change. Cable and phone companies started to become broadcasters. And content providers. And that's where we are. And that's the danger.

When all your ISP is offering is a connection, they offer different tiers of speed and data limits. But when they also own the content and have a streaming service, that's where it becomes attractive to offer THEIR service for cheaper. Or not count access to THEIR service in your data cap. NN stopped that. No more.
 
I would be OK with caps/overages, as long it is clear to the customer that's what will be happening. I dislike throttling, though, so I agree, that should not be done. Don't cripple the service. Instead, let the customer know they are reaching their limit, and give them an opportunity to pay for additional service on their existing plan if they wish (preferably at the same rate). This is what happens with my iPad cellular service. I pay for 1 GB per month, and if I go over on any particular month, I can buy more.
No throttling and pay for what you use. I could live with that.
When all your ISP is offering is a connection, they offer different tiers of speed and data limits. But when they also own the content and have a streaming service, that's where it becomes attractive to offer THEIR service for cheaper. Or not count access to THEIR service in your data cap. NN stopped that. No more.
I am okay with a provider not allocating my access to their service against my data cap (when I had one), simply because I was paying for that service, just like I am paying for streaming services now. It didn't make it any cheaper for me, as I had to pay for their content too.
 
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