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I found this quote by AT&T interesting....

"AT&T does not manage or approve applications for the App Store," company spokesman Brad Mays said. "We have received the letter and will, of course, respond to it."

Didn't I read when SlingPlayer was released that AT&T specifically banded the use of this application on their 3g network. Sounds like they had some say in the approval process of that app.
 
I found this quote by AT&T interesting....

"AT&T does not manage or approve applications for the App Store," company spokesman Brad Mays said. "We have received the letter and will, of course, respond to it."

Didn't I read when SlingPlayer was released that AT&T specifically banded the use of this application on their 3g network. Sounds like they had some say in the approval process of that app.

They don't "manage" or "approve" the apps. They tell Apple what to do, who then does it. Classic PR legal bs.
 
Well then, why did they need to remove the app then and block another? To stifle competition, in collusion with AT&T. Here comes the pimp slap...

That is indeed the question and likely the correct answer.
 
I found this quote by AT&T interesting....

"AT&T does not manage or approve applications for the App Store," company spokesman Brad Mays said. "We have received the letter and will, of course, respond to it."

Didn't I read when SlingPlayer was released that AT&T specifically banded the use of this application on their 3g network. Sounds like they had some say in the approval process of that app.

Here it is:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/09/05/12/slingplayer.app.statement/

AT&T clearly had a say in the Sling App approval. I think AT&T has some splainin' to do. I just hope the FCC is smart enough to bring this one up.
 
They don't "manage" or "approve" the apps. They tell Apple what to do, who then does it. Classic PR legal bs.

Very true. AT&T's statement was 100% correct. But, this wasn't the question the FCC asked. I don't think the FCC is going to like these games though.

http://www.stormicus.com/post/154396664/conversation-with-apple-on-gv-mobile-removal

Take note of how the Apple rep describes why GV Mobile is no longer on the App Store.

That's actually funny, it's like the Apple Rep was reading of a computer screen: "finding a solution for you is important to me." Yeah, I'm sure it is. But, I can't blame her - to bad the higher-ups put her in the firing line. As for Erik, I hope he isn't holding his breath waiting for a response.

I do believe Apple wants to put out the best product, but they're learning quickly that their own greed is going to be their downfall. When they signed this exclusivity agreement, all they were thinking about was money. Now, they have landed themselves in hot water all due to their money-hungry ways.
 
If they have bikinis, they're wearing too much. :cool:

"bikini" == "very blurred nipples"

I lived in Europe for a number of years, and came to the conclusion that most French housewives only had one set of clothes.

Why? Because most of the laundry detergent commercials had naked women doing their laundry.

Unfortunately, after many hours of commercial watching I was disappointed that French men didn't do laundry. I was *so* looking forward to that.

I did see this one - http://www.dumbvideos.com/ schweizeroptikcommercial-stripper.html, though. (very funny, but WARNING: Europe: suitable for prime time TV, USA: probably NSFW)
 
That's actually funny, it's like the Apple Rep was reading of a computer screen
That was an actual person? I thought it was a bot that scans for keywords and pulls canned responses from a database. The whole conversation gave me flashbacks of playing Eliza on a TI-99/4A back in the 80's.
 
Very true. AT&T's statement was 100% correct. But, this wasn't the question the FCC asked. I don't think the FCC is going to like these games though.

Oh I agree. AT&T completely dodged the question. I hope Apple doesn't get burned too bad by the FCC but they definitely need to stop these shenanigans with AT&T. It's getting pretty silly.
 
Don't like the restrictions Apple has? DON'T BUY THE iPHONE! For god sakes, did anyone buy the phone expecting to use google voice? Why base the value of a phone or company based on a feature that hasn't ever been there to begin with?

Nobody makes developers code, nobody makes consumers buy. You decide what you want to do, nobody decides for you.

The most appealing ideal iPhone offers is the unlimited expansion of features it supposedly provides. Simply put, this is a fallacy. Apple has quietly adopted a very real and tangible anti competitive culture.

The fact remains that someone IS deciding what is available to US - we are left out of the equation when an app is summarily rejected from the AppStore... These apps should be allowed to sink or swim in an open venue. If they fare better than the original (Apple) implementation then Apple needs to work harder on their products... Blocking the competition IS anti competitive and that IS illegal.

If this continues we will see the common roots shared by Microsoft & Apple re-converge with Apple having ignored the lessons hard learned by Microsoft's anti-competitive past... These same mistakes still plague Microsoft today...

Innovation is not bread through greed or self righteousness
 
LOL! All this angst over slightly easier access to a technology that Google isn't letting 99.99% of the iPhone owning population have access to.

Google Voice Website said:
Google Voice is currently available by invite only.

But, hey, at least you can watch a yootoob video of the technology they aren't letting people access!

Let's see the FCC investigate what it takes actually get an invite to Google Voice before they investigate whether the app should've been pulled!

(And spare me the "it's in beta" excuse, since their applications are commonly in beta for years.)
 
"bikini" == "very blurred nipples"

I lived in Europe for a number of years, and came to the conclusion that most French housewives only had one set of clothes.

Why? Because most of the laundry detergent commercials had naked women doing their laundry.

Unfortunately, after many hours of commercial watching I was disappointed that French men didn't do laundry. I was *so* looking forward to that.

I did see this one - http://www.dumbvideos.com/ schweizeroptikcommercial-stripper.html, though. (very funny, but WARNING: Europe: suitable for prime time TV, USA: probably NSFW)

I've never been to Europe, but from everything I see and hear, the people seem to be far more mature than the US. There are too many childish issues & agendas that the US tends to take too seriously. Unfortunately in terms of progress in society and culture, the US has essentially been getting stale since the 90s. I'm going to draw a lot of ire over this but I think it has a lot to do with the extreme right in this country and being unreceptive to anything that has to do with change.



LOL! All this angst over slightly easier access to a technology that Google isn't letting 99.99% of the iPhone owning population have access to.


But, hey, at least you can watch a yootoob video of the technology they aren't letting people access!

Let's see the FCC investigate what it takes actually get an invite to Google Voice before they investigate whether the app should've been pulled!

(And spare me the "it's in beta" excuse, since their applications are commonly in beta for years.)

You're missing the point. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. Too much garbage has been going on at the App Store to be tolerated anymore. I am as loyal an Apple fan as any but I think they deserve a smackdown for this along with AT&T. Apple is either going to be have to be more open to apps or allow users to install apps outside of the App Store. No more of the BS. To see Apple at one time criticize the carriers and now bend to their every will is a joke. If they feel that Google Voice shouldn't be on the App Store, then I hope they get treated with harshest fine with extreme prejudice.

BTW the wait for Google Voice is like one week now so your argument has no teeth.
 
We have a bikini team? If they have bikinis, they're wearing too much. :cool:

It's not so much a $15/month iPhone, it's just a regular plan attached to an iPhone. As a previous customer who already had a plan they allowed me to keep that plan and simply buy the iPhone 3G, unlocked, for... I dunno, $500 or whatever it was. But they have sweet subsidized deals too, and as of last week there are three carriers who offer iPhones so the pricing is pretty competitive. Oh, and 1) MMS works, 2) tethering works and doesn't cost extra.

I'm not surprised you wouldn't know about the Bikini Team because I figure (from living in NYC) at least half the women over there look like a Nordic goddess.

It funny how much you get for paying so little which only reinforces the idea that Americans are getting robbed. They even charge us $5 extra for 200 text messages. Now you see why Americans can be so untrusting. In this country when something is too good to be true, it usually is.
 
That is an interesting read. I liked this part especially:

Richard: “I can only say that yours duplicates features of the iPhone and was causing confusion in the user community. It’s against our policy.”

I wonder how they gauge "confusion in the community". I wonder how they gather and analyze such data.

Anyways, this whole situation is becoming very weird. How can the CEO of Google be on Apple's board, but Apple doesn't allow Google's service on one of their products? I think this investigation is mostly geared towards AT&T and their attempt to monopolize a rather large avenue of communication. This exclusivity deal needs to end - basically AT&T is dictating every move Apple decides, all to make an extra buck. It's no longer about making the best innovative product. Disgusting.


Apple has had the head of Intuit on their board for years. This also included the time when Intuit canceled QuickBooks Mac & had planned to cancel Quicken for the Mac. So what does having a member on the board have to do with this whole conversation.
 
I'm partial with this one. It sucks they rejected Google Voice but I don't think it's right for the FCC to come on in and place middle man.
 
Of course Microsoft should be allowed to decide which software does and does not run on their operating system. It's their operating system. A conscientious consumer, meanwhile, is free to not use Microsoft's products if this offends them. You know, they might even think about using an alternative operating system. I remember hearing about one somewhere...



I don't pretend to be an expert, but can it be a coincidence that this was around the same time the World Wide Web was really gaining popularity? Your problem can't really be that there is a limited range of options when it comes to media, because this is the exact opposite of reality. In fact, between terrestrial and satellite radio, cable television, portable electronics, and the web there are more forms of media, and more ways to view them, than ever before. Your problem seems to be with big corporations, and to be fair, you don't really hide this. You won't believe me when I tell you this, but there is actually nothing inherently wrong with a few big companies owning the media. As I've just proved to you, it doesn't stifle innovation and has in fact resulted in more choices for the consumer. This is getting a bit more philosophical than I wanted, but I feel like if I could convince you that your dislike for big corporations is irrational, I would have accomplished something today. Would it help if I told you that corporations were not that different from the rest of us: self-interested entities trying to procure to greatest benefit for themselves? I would agree with you if you had simply stated that we shouldn't trust big companies necessarily, or that we shouldn't let them take away our freedoms. But I think you are wrong if you believe the reverse is acceptable.

Well it is their operating system, but since I bought my license microsoft has no right whatsoever to tell me what I can or cannot do, they might release updates that gets in my way, but as long as I don't try to pirate it or otherwise redistributing it, I have the legal right to do watever I damn well please.
 
We have a bikini team? If they have bikinis, they're wearing too much. :cool:

It's not so much a $15/month iPhone, it's just a regular plan attached to an iPhone. As a previous customer who already had a plan they allowed me to keep that plan and simply buy the iPhone 3G, unlocked, for... I dunno, $500 or whatever it was. But they have sweet subsidized deals too, and as of last week there are three carriers who offer iPhones so the pricing is pretty competitive. Oh, and 1) MMS works, 2) tethering works and doesn't cost extra.

I lived in Paris for 3 years 3 years ago. It is also very good. I remember that I paid 18 euros, not a single cent more. It was more than enough. Once I finished my minutes allowed for each month. I could still receive calls and messages...etc. I also miss the unlimited cinema plan. 18 euros and I could go to 50 times to the cinema if possible. Now that I live in Montreal, I feel that I am in hell.
 
I hope they investigate Ford next! I want my Ford to have a Chevy Engine....those jerks at Ford are forcing us to buy their cars with their own engines!
:D


I added a Chevy motor to my Mercedes. I don’t have a problem with that and neither did Chevy or MB or the DMV or my insurance company or .....the list goes on.
 
I am all for the FCC cracking down on exclusive agreements and looking at Apple for violations of competition.

This would be like Microsoft banning FireFox on Windows. Or any app they didn't like you to use such as Flash because they have silverlight.

Apple is way over the line with the app store. Especially since that is the only place you can legally buy one.

It hurts the little guy and drives out innovations.

I agree with what you are saying. However, the only difference is that these devices are being subsidised by AT$T.

What we need to do is be able to buy our devices streight from the manufacturer for full price and let us do what we want with them.
 
I added a Chevy motor to my Mercedes. I don’t have a problem with that and neither did Chevy or MB or the DMV or my insurance company or .....the list goes on.

You're forgetting the 1 important part - MB does care because now your warranty is void...

Also, it's all going to be GM anyway since we (the tax payers) own it if you don't buy GM it's just a bad investment of your tax money (oh what a tangled web we weave...)
 
Eric Schimdt, Google CEO, has resigned from Apple's board. I figured that was coming.
 
Well it is their operating system, but since I bought my license microsoft has no right whatsoever to tell me what I can or cannot do, they might release updates that gets in my way, but as long as I don't try to pirate it or otherwise redistributing it, I have the legal right to do watever I damn well please.

That isn't true. You also agreed to a EULA (End User License Agreement) which means you cannot do whatever you want. There are limits to what you can, and cannot do. You agreed to these terms. Don't like them? Don't use the program.

I have a hunting license, but that doesn't mean I can go shoot whatever the hell I want, wherever the hell I want using whatever guns and ammo I want to use. Yeah, I have a license to kill dear, small game, or birds for example but there are still many (MANY) restrictions on what you can, and cannot do.

Same with driving a car. Sure I have a license to drive, but there are restrictions for speed, how much alcohol I can have in me, etc. A license of any kind does not give you freedom to do whatever you want.
 
Umm. First in, first out?
Umm. Apparently not. I know two people (besides myself) still waiting, where another person who signed up later got almost immediate access. But thanks for playing...

Eric Schimdt, Google CEO, has resigned from Apple's board. I figured that was coming.
Thank goodness that someone has come to their senses. Its nice to have El Jobso back at the helm...
 
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