FCC Sets End Date for Net Neutrality on June 11 as Democrats Lead Vote to Block Repeal

[BuffaloTF]

What was wrong with the internet before NN was put in place? Answer: Nothing Second Answer: We don't need government involved.

There were always rules before this existed under Title I. As each Title I designation was given, so too were they later taken away... they attempted voluntary principles from 2004 through 2014, which were ignored, and we ended up with selective throttling of services -- ie, Comcast slowing down Netflix unless they paid up and outright blocking BitTorrent; ISPs blocking VOIP. Each time the FCC succeeded in ending them - this time with the Open Internet Order of 2010, the appeal lawsuit resulted in a re-establishment of these policies, culminating with Verizon v FCC -- which the ruling was quite clear; there could be no net neutrality unless the ISPs were labeled as 'common carriers' under Title II.

So to remedy this, Title II was introduced to keep them in place.

In other words... we do need government involved because when it wasn't there, we got screwed.

 

[Fender2112]

I am glad people understand this. All I see is "THE WORLD WILL END", which is typical of the left.

I am glad people understand this. All I see is "THE WORLD IS FINE", which is typical of the right.

 

[BuffaloTF]

The internet was fine before the Net Neutrality act. You'll most-likely notice no difference in internet usage. This also creates a more free and open market.

No, it wasn't. It was always regulated... and there's no such thing as a free or open market unless there's someone there enforcing its very existence.

 

[Dwalls90]

Guess my question is why do you care if the rules are there as it was not hurting anything?. All the rules effectively said was isp can't throttle traffic based on favorites. That hurt no one and didn't cost anything to comply except it stopped isp ability to make extra money from consumers.

Exactly my thoughts. Supporters of repealing NN keep saying "let the free market decide what's best for the internet", but there truly is nothing more "free" in this case than the freedom of internet itself, which is the foundation of what NN is based on.

 

[x-evil-x]

Does this have an effect on people using kodi and vpn’s??

 

[Zachari]

For anti NN folks: how has the internet gotten worse since NN was in place? What are specific examples?

Because of Net Neutrality, broadband infrastructure development and market competition was hindered. Smaller ISP's actually had a more difficult time breaking into the market, so those rural areas with only one "big" ISP (which is a big talking point for the pro-NN folk) had deep enough pockets to deal with the burdensome regulations.
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I am glad people understand this. All I see is "THE WORLD IS FINE", which is typical of the right.

You think I am kidding?

 

[tomtendo]

News flash, the repeal hasn’t even been put in effect yet. It’s literally in the first sentences of the post you responded to.

How can you ask a question for comparison when the change hasn’t taken effect? I’m embarrassed for you frankly.

Lol.. I know? I'm not talking about that... I'm talking about before NN was put into place in 2015.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Lol.. I know? I'm not talking about that... I'm talking about before NN was put into place in 2015. Thanks tho... (idiot).

You mean the open internet order of 2010? Or all the Title I regulations that existed since 1980?

I'm not sure which you mean, so you'll need to be specific... cuz they've always existed except for a small window of time, when things started getting taken away, or put behind a pay wall.

 

[bruinsrme]

Please keep net nudity I need my porn

 

[Fender2112]

Because of Net Neutrality, broadband infrastructure development and market competition was hindered. Smaller ISP's actually had a more difficult time breaking into the market, so those rural areas with only one "big" ISP (which is a big talking point for the pro-NN folk) had deep enough pockets to deal with the burdensome regulations.
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You think I am kidding?

I know you're not kidding. That doesn't mean you're right.

 

[blahbrah]

Because of Net Neutrality, broadband infrastructure development and market competition was hindered. Smaller ISP's actually had a more difficult time breaking into the market, so those rural areas with only one "big" ISP (which is a big talking point for the pro-NN folk) had deep enough pockets to deal with the burdensome regulations.
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Do you have a link to that? All I can find is this PDF from a telecom lobbist org indicating 2016 was on pace in development of both areas with pre NN years

https://www.ustelecom.org/sites/default/files/USTelecom Research Brief 2.22.18.pdf

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

What was wrong with the internet before NN was put in place? Answer: Nothing Second Answer: We don't need government involved.

We won't be back where we started. Before, ISPs were concerned about whether the FCC would condone the action or not. Repealing NN sends a signal from the FCC to ISPs that the behavior will be acceptable as far as they're concerned.

I, and I think most US citizens, live in an area where an ISP has a regional monopoly. I can either have Comcast or not have home internet.

 

[citysnaps]

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You can thank trump when net neutrality goes into effect and your internet service in the US degrades as a result.

 

[NT1440]

Lol.. I know? I'm not talking about that... I'm talking about before NN was put into place in 2015.

Post #26 does a good job of explaining the timeline in brief.

 

[827538]

The level of ignorance on this thread is astounding.

People bleating that the government should keep their hands off the internet and things were fine before NN.

People need to understand that before Title 2 (aka NN) there was the weaker Title 1 which protected them to an extent. Even then ISP's were routinely abusing their position. The internet is about to be in the complete control of giant, billion dollar ISP's and some people seem to be fine with that. I'm pretty shocked, as a non-American I understand there's a huge level of anti-government sentiment but jesus christ - you'd rather support Comcast and Verizon? What is wrong with you?

You have some of the worst service at some of the highest prices in the Western World. People need to understand regulating a UTILITY is necessary as there's only one option in many areas. Regulation is what got you cheap, universal electricity supplies.

Honestly, stop thinking like a fanatic and start trying to understand what is at play here. Because a lot of people are looking pretty stupid on this thread.

 

[udayan81]

There are lot of people screaming about how internet was fine before this.. Human beings were also just going along fine without established hospitals , medicines etc. The need for regulation is so that these companies don't get greedy and charge whatever they want to the consumer. And if you want to stick you head in the sand and say nothing is wrong that is your choice but without it this is what could happen

Just like you're saying there is chances nothing will change, there are also high chances companies will run amok and implement these. And this is not a made up image. This is from a country where the internet is controlled by these greedy companies

 

[827538]

Exactly my thoughts. Supporters of repealing NN keep saying "let the free market decide what's best for the internet", but there truly is nothing more "free" in this case than the freedom of internet itself, which is the foundation of what NN is based on.

Exactly, how in gods name do you have a 'free market' when much of the US has a single broadband option?

 

[PlainviewX]

What was wrong with the internet before NN was put in place? Answer: Nothing Second Answer: We don't need government involved.

Get informed. Lots happened. AOL was deleting people's emails, marking them as delivered/sent when they never were, for negative comments about AOL, Time Warner, etc.

Netflix was throttled by Comcast and Verizon.

Here's a list of some of what happened before.

2005 – North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked VoIP service Vonage.

2005 – Comcast blocked or severely delayed traffic using the BitTorrent file-sharing protocol. (The company even had the guts to deny this for months until evidence was presented by the Associated Press.)

2007 – AT&T censored Pearl Jam because lead singer criticized President Bush.

2007 to 2009 – AT&T forced Apple to block Skype because it didn’t like the competition. At the time, the carrier had exclusive rights to sell the iPhone and even then the net neutrality advocates were pushing the government to protect online consumers, over 5 years before these rules were actually passed.

2009 – Google Voice app faced similar issues from ISPs, including AT&T on iPhone.

2010 – Windstream Communications, a DSL provider, started hijacking search results made using Google toolbar. It consistently redirected users to Windstream’s own search engine and results.

2011 – MetroPCS, one of the top-five wireless carriers at the time, announced plans to block streaming services over its 4G network from everyone except YouTube.

2011 to 2013 – AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon blocked Google Wallet in favor of Isis, a mobile payment system in which all three had shares. Verizon even asked Google to not include its payment app in its Nexus devices.

2012 – AT&T blocked FaceTime; again because the company didn’t like the competition.

2012 – Verizon started blocking people from using tethering apps on their phones that enabled consumers to avoid the company’s $20 tethering fee.

2014 – AT&T announced a new “sponsored data” scheme, offering content creators a way to buy their way around the data caps that AT&T imposes on its subscribers.

2014 – Netflix started paying Verizon and Comcast to “improve streaming service for consumers.”

2014 – T-Mobile was accused of using data caps to manipulate online competition.
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Here's even more..... http://listverse.com/2017/11/28/10-facts-that-show-exactly-whatll-happen-without-net-neutrality/

 

[827538]

Lol.. I know? I'm not talking about that... I'm talking about before NN was put into place in 2015.

Before 2015 you had Title 1 which was like a lighter version of NN. Pretty much the entire time the internet has existed it's been under some sort of NN. Please stop with these disengenuous statements because you do not know what you are talking about.

 

[PlainviewX]

Keep the control freaks off the internet. It was fine pre-2015 without the Federal Government trying to stick their nose in the net and it will be fine now.

People and companies resolved things themselves without authoritarian fascist type policies requiring it.

No, it wasn't.

 

[827538]

Keep the control freaks off the internet. It was fine pre-2015 without the Federal Government trying to stick their nose in the net and it will be fine now.

People and companies resolved things themselves without authoritarian fascist type policies requiring it.

There's a list on this thread of dozens of rebuttles to your statement. ISP's routinely abused their position.
Also Title 1, which is a bit like a NN-light has been in force long before 2015. So no, you've not been fine before 2015 and why do you support the position of awful billion dollar companies like Comcast and Verizon instead?

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ts-soared-with-net-neutrality-rules-in-place/

Comcast's infrastructure spending INCREASED under Title 2.

'Fascist Type Policies' is the reason you have access to cheap universal electrical grids. Do they not teach economics in American schools?

 

[dominiongamma]

The internet was fine before the Net Neutrality act. You'll most-likely notice no difference in internet usage. This also creates a more free and open market.

It wasn’t fine before and I don’t believe it when people say it will be fine

 

[PlainviewX]

Lol. Hardly any of those did any real damage. Also, one companies bad decision is another company's opportunity to capitalize on... AKA Free Market/Competition. I'm glad you googled a list tho without any true background.

Complete ignorance.

 

[hagar]

Please America, fix your broken 2 party political system. By cataloging every issue in the world as either republican or Democrat, you’ll end up with sheep defending anything their party tells them. I’m not saying the European system is perfect but at least we have nuance.

If you can’t see net neutrality is needed to protect freedom of speech and fair competition, you’re blind. ISP’s should not be able to block or slow down sites they don’t like their customers to see. Period.

Now, how does this US law affect the rest of the world? Because whether we like it or not, what Trump does still affects the rest of the world. I know your President is working hard to isolate the US more from the rest of the world, but still...

 

[827538]

This article is so biased it should be rewritten after editorial review. Starting with failing to point out that the Net Neutrality Act didn't even exist until a year or two ago. It also fails to point out that there are many existing regulations that are available to address the supposed evils that will arise to doom us all, e.g.,

" Section 1 of the Sherman Act renders anticompetitive agreements illegal. So, if ISPs reached agreements to act in a non-neutral manner by unfairly blocking, throttling or discriminating against traffic, those agreements would be per se unlawful. Moreover, Section 2 of the Sherman Act makes it illegal for a vertically integrated ISP to anti-competitively favor its content or services over that of an unaffiliated business."

For a more honest discussion of the reasons behind the Net Neutrality issue please read this Washington Post article


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7dfa61bf4720

The internet was under Title 1 classification long before 2015 which was effectively a NN-light.
You mean anti-monopoly laws that aren't being applied because Comcast and Verizon etc can bribe politicians to make sure action is never taken against them? The US is corrupt at its core which is the reason the banks/ISP's etc are not broken up.
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Please America, fix your broken 2 party political system. By cataloging every issue in the world as either republican or Democrat, you’ll end up with sheep defending anything their party tells them. I’m not saying the European system is perfect but at least we have nuance.

If you can’t see net neutrality is needed to protect freedom of speech and fair competition, you’re blind. ISP’s should not be able to block or slow down sites they don’t like their customers to see. Period.

No, how does this US law affect the rest of the world? Because whether we like it or not, what Trump does still affects the rest of the world.

One party away from North Korea and they call it a democracy.
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It wasn’t fine before and I don’t believe it when people say it will be fine

Willful ignorance mixed with dogma is a dangerous combination.