FCC Sets End Date for Net Neutrality on June 11 as Democrats Lead Vote to Block Repeal

[miniyou64]

But most customers only look at prices. They don't consider if children made their products, or if the company pollutes the planet by dumping toxic waste in a river, or if people in low wage countries are abused. Companies can get a way with a lot if they're only judged by public opinion. We need strict and enforced laws.

People don’t consider any of that because they assume the government is there to stop them. Corporations are able to get away with this BECAUSE of government protections. Laws protect nothing.

 

[MistrSynistr]

The good thing I see here is the complete shift in comments from what this would of been a year and a half ago. It shows more and more people are being woke to globalist liberal insanity and aren't buying it anymore. The top 3 first comments all recognize that NN is a deceptive tool for their agenda. This is fantastic.

 

[seek3r]

The good thing I see here is the complete shift in comments from what this would of been a year and a half ago. It shows more and more people are being woke to globalist liberal insanity and aren't buying it anymore. The top 3 first comments all recognize that NN is a deceptive tool for their agenda. This is fantastic.

"Globalist"

I do not think that word means what you think it means

The fact that you think a set of rules enforcing how the net has always worked in practice that was being eroded by big ISPs is some form of liberal conspiracy (ignoring your complete misuse of the word "globalist") is remarkable, and massively misinformed (as has been illustrated by many, many posts attempting to explain the history of NN to people like you on this thread). Politically NN polls extremely high even in conservative areas in the US, it may actually be the most bipartisan issue currently in the country, which also makes your comment look pretty silly.

As to that first clump of comments, which I addressed earlier, I suspect the flood of anti-NN posts are astroturfing, given how closely their rhetoric track and the tight, rapid succession of the posts.

 

[NT1440]

The good thing I see here is the complete shift in comments from what this would of been a year and a half ago. It shows more and more people are being woke to globalist liberal insanity and aren't buying it anymore. The top 3 first comments all recognize that NN is a deceptive tool for their agenda. This is fantastic.

The only thing shown here is corporate propaganda clearly works on US citizens. Example: the last 100+ years of American history.

 

[tzm41]

The only thing shown here is corporate propaganda clearly works on US citizens. Example: the last 100+ years of American history.

It's mind-boggling how well corporate propaganda brainwashed people. At least the government is held accountable to citizens in the form of elections, etc. Private corporations have zero obligation to the people, yet some people believe when these companies have no leash they will do better to the greater good of people.

 

[miniyou64]

It's mind-boggling how well corporate propaganda brainwashed people. At least the government is held accountable to citizens in the form of elections, etc. Private corporations have zero obligation to the people, yet some people believe when these companies have no leash they will do better to the greater good of people.

Government held accountable!!! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[tzm41]

Government held accountable!!! Thanks for the laugh!

You meant Comcast or Shell or Monsanto or what have you are more accountable than the government if there aren’t laws preventing them from trashing everyone and everything for their own profit? Give me a break.

 

[seek3r]

Government held accountable!!! Thanks for the laugh!

In part that's what the courts are for, if the FCC pushes the ISPs beyond their mandate the ISPs have *plenty* of budget to push back (and will, pretty much guaranteed, no mater what), I'm not exactly weeping over AT&T's legal budget, no one is starving in Verizon's C-suite, etc. In the other direction there's quite a few watchdog orgs for consumers on this end of things, including the EFF and the ACLU.

And on that note, I have to ask, NN puts restrictions on the ISPs ability to discriminate traffic based on source and sink, what *government* overreach are you actually worried about here? Are you terrified that Comcast's impoverished CEO won't get another massive raise from his $40M compensation because they couldnt force every commercial service to cough up an extra access fee to prioritize their traffic over competitors? The ISPs aren't starving here, and the regulation ensures a level playing field for web based businesses.

It benefits everyone who *isnt* a ISP exec or major shareholder, which, mind you, is by far most of the country, and none of the people I listed need any help right now unlike the rest of the country. It benefits entrepreneurs and normal internet users alike. It benefits American business overall *and* consumers (a nice duo together). The only people who don't like it are the ISPs, and again, they're doing just fine, they just want to squeeze *more* blood from the stone.

Not to mention, of course, as has been discussed to death, this is generally how the internet has always worked, and what the FCC has a long history of trying to enforce, so there's quite a track record to look back at. Also there's the fact that the whole repeal of Net Neutrality is actually happening, people with a viewpoint like you winning (despite lacking support from most ofthe country), which in itself shows a form of "successful" pushback against and "accountability" of the FCC (at least from your perspective).

There's plenty of history there for you to answer this question: What is your *actual* worry with net neutrality beyond vague fear mongering about the government and some quasi libertarian hand waving?

 

[miniyou64]

You meant Comcast or Shell or Monsanto or what have you are more accountable than the government if there aren’t laws preventing them from trashing everyone and everything for their own profit? Give me a break.

The free market. Companies that burn their customers lose customers and go out of business. Government is what enables the corporations to have special protections that you’re railing against. Laws prevent nothing.
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In part that's what the courts are for, if the FCC pushes the ISPs beyond their mandate the ISPs have *plenty* of budget to push back (and will, pretty much guaranteed, no mater what), I'm not exactly weeping over AT&T's legal budget, no one is starving in Verizon's C-suite, etc. In the other direction there's quite a few watchdog orgs for consumers on this end of things, including the EFF and the ACLU.

And on that note, I have to ask, NN puts restrictions on the ISPs ability to discriminate traffic based on source and sink, what *government* overreach are you actually worried about here? Are you terrified that Comcast's impoverished CEO won't get another massive raise from his $40M compensation because they couldnt force every commercial service to cough up an extra access fee to prioritize their traffic over competitors? The ISPs aren't starving here, and the regulation ensures a level playing field for web based businesses.

It benefits everyone who *isnt* a ISP exec or major shareholder, which, mind you, is by far most of the country, and none of the people I listed need any help right now unlike the rest of the country. It benefits entrepreneurs and normal internet users alike. It benefits American business overall *and* consumers (a nice duo together). The only people who don't like it are the ISPs, and again, they're doing just fine, they just want to squeeze *more* blood from the stone.

Not to mention, of course, as has been discussed to death, this is generally how the internet has always worked, and what the FCC has a long history of trying to enforce, so there's quite a track record to look back at. Also there's the fact that the whole repeal of Net Neutrality is actually happening, people with a viewpoint like you winning (despite lacking support from most ofthe country), which in itself shows a form of "successful" pushback against and "accountability" of the FCC (at least from your perspective).

There's plenty of history there for you to answer this question: What is your *actual* worry with net neutrality beyond vague fear mongering about the government and some quasi libertarian hand waving?

Quasi libertarian. Love it. Do you dislike freedom or something? Basically you could not pick any entity less honorable or capable of being fair than a government. So no. I don’t want them being the purveyor of fairness with anything, never mind the Internet.