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Here's an excerpt from the festivities...


"Today’s vote by a bitterly divided Federal Communications Commission that the Internet should be regulated as a public utility is the culmination of a decade-long battle by the Left. Using money from George Soros and liberal foundations that totaled at least $196 million, radical activists finally succeeded in ramming through “net neutrality,” or the idea that all data should be transmitted equally over the Internet.*

The final push involved unprecedented political pressure exerted by the Obama White House on FCC chairman Tom Wheeler, head of an ostensibly independent regulatory body."


Sounds like a fun time was had by all :eek:

"Excerpt" from where? No link provided. Just for laughs, what derpity-derp source is this from?
 
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Net Neutrality is used as a power grab. This does not help us as consumers. It hurts us. Just another way for the current administration to tell you what to do and what's in your best interest. This is just step one.

That is EXACTLY right.

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We may not see any bad effects now, but mark my words...the internet is going to become a crappy service for everyone. Anything ran and controlled by an agency that is "here to help and make things better" is not a good thing.

We have the Internet because a large group of innovators had the FREEDOM to innovate.
 
That is EXACTLY right.

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We may not see any bad effects now, but mark my words...the internet is going to become a crappy service for everyone. Anything ran and controlled by an agency that is "here to help and make things better" is not a good thing.

We have the Internet because a large group of innovators had the FREEDOM to innovate.

Kudos for an excellent post.

The deniers appear to be in the majority as my posts have drawn plenty of emotional personal attacks.

I'm happy to see that, it indicates that a huge number of people are waking up to the fact that they really don't know much about Net Neutrality. Perhaps some will decide to open up their minds and do their due diligence, some research will be highly useful, bringing an eye opening reality in.

In turn they'll benefit personally and perhaps decide that going along with the crowd is like cattle being led to slaughter. Not what they were expecting.
 
That is EXACTLY right.

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We may not see any bad effects now, but mark my words...the internet is going to become a crappy service for everyone. Anything ran and controlled by an agency that is "here to help and make things better" is not a good thing.

We have the Internet because a large group of innovators had the FREEDOM to innovate.

You are aware that the Internet started out as a DARPA project, right?

And once again, corporate executives can be just as is power mad as politicians. Especially when their traditional means of profit are slowly dying.
 
That is EXACTLY right.

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We may not see any bad effects now, but mark my words...the internet is going to become a crappy service for everyone. Anything ran and controlled by an agency that is "here to help and make things better" is not a good thing.

We have the Internet because a large group of innovators had the FREEDOM to innovate.

Kudos for an excellent post.

The deniers appear to be in the majority as my posts have drawn plenty of emotional personal attacks.

I'm happy to see that, it indicates that a huge number of people are waking up to the fact that they really don't know much about Net Neutrality. Perhaps some will decide to open up their minds and do their due diligence, some research will be highly useful, bringing an eye opening reality in.

In turn they'll benefit personally and perhaps decide that going along with the crowd is like cattle being led to slaughter. Not what they were expecting.

This ruling does not mean that the Internet will be controlled by a government agency. The Internet is not controlled by anyone. Please just stop spreading misinformation that is doing nothing more than to scaremonger.

From the point of view of the consumer nothing is going to change. You won't even notice it, just like you didn't from 2000 to 2005 when DSL Internet was classified under Title II.

It is amazing that you are telling people to do research on the matter when people have repeatedly linked to the actual FCC brief that explicitly tells you what they intend to do. The FCC intends to keep the Internet the same as it's always been.

Oh my goodness! Anything and everything is a conspiracy to you people. From your post history in this thread it is clear that neither of you even understand what net neutrality is.
 
And he spent so much time writing that post too. It's absolutely mind boggling how opposed people can be to things they don't understand the concept of. Like, wow.

I "get" the "concept" you WANT to happen, but what you want and what just happened AREN'T THE SAME THING. You didn't get a Net Neutrality law AT ALL. You got the FCC taking over and doing whatever they're told to do by whatever administration happens to be in control (and will change in less than two years). You believe they will stop with only the things YOU want. But sadly you're wrong. Once regulated, they can do whatever they want and you will regret asking the wolf to guard your sheep.

In a few years when you hate the decision, just remember that and how you mouthed off to someone who knew better. Meanwhile, keep mocking away... :rolleyes:

Taking over and regulating "free speech" and "free association"? Okay, now you're just going off the deep end. Oh wait, it's not just now...

I really do winder where this new batch of paranoid people are coming from. I mean, there has been that big discussion about America's failing education system. Maybe that's to blame.

I wonder if you've been watching the same government I've been watching for the past couple of decades. I've never voted for a Republican in my life (and I'm not a Democrat either) and yet I've seen a corrupt, over 50% MILLIONAIRE government that is totally out of touch with the people it's SUPPOSED to represent.

I've watched them start wars with lies, pretend they don't monitor our phones and say it to our face. I've watched them shift the laws so that people who don't work yet make millions pay less on those "earnings" (by about half) than those that work their arse off. I've seen them FORCE people to buy a service (health care) whether they want it or not from private companies that profit from the law while you get zero choice without paying fines. I've watched representatives on committees work to destroy and privatize the Postal Service (created in the Constitution as a service, not a profit making entity) and hand good paying jobs over to near minimum wage private companies with bogus pretenses of lost money. I've watched Presidents lie to may face about not raising taxes and other Presidents lie about weapons of mass destruction and cause the unnecessary deaths of US Citizens in a war that later finally resulted in ISIS now beheading everyone in site all so the Vice President could make a tidy profit on no-bid contracts from his stock investments in a company he used to run. I've watched live tv stations be forced to buffer their "live" broadcasts so NONE are actually "live" lest they let an f-bomb slip or a nipple show on TV and the human race end.

I've watched stupid judges decide that corporations are people and left unlimited money further corrupt this government. I've watched a single family produce two Presidents when statistically this is near impossible in a true democracy (with a 3rd about to run). I've watched Presidents tell me they didn't have sex with someone who is not their wife on TV and suffer no consequences for their perjury while a famous home maker is sent to prison for perjury about insider trading. I've watched Congress after Congress spend us into fiscal oblivion with no thought to how they use our money while they send people to prison for trying to avoid paying their taxes that are wasted and misused. I've watched a country ban trade with Cuba because they're stinking Communists while making Communist China our favored trading partner (because there's too damn much money to be made by a few corporate upper-ups working sweat factories in China to stand on moral principles). I've watched a famous war veteran from Arizona with a reasonable amount of common sense that apparently lost all of it to partner up with a stupid moron from Alaska that could have become President had he been elected and he died for some reason. I've watched a federal government treat marijuana as a Class 1 drug substance when it's less dangerous than a glass of Scotch and then LIE about how dangerous it is for over a half a century. I've watched government officials take oaths on Bibles that have broken almost every law in it. I've seen people rant about how the founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves is they saw this or that, while not knowing those founding fathers engaged in half those activities themselves (apparently having not read any real history books, just the ones from grade school).

Paranoid? What? Why would anyone be paranoid about our government? The same government that operated Area 51 that they denied even exists even though I can plainly see it on Google Earth? What? They might LIE about something? They might do something dishonest? They might try to control how you think through "fair and unbiased" "news" channels? PLEASE. You're right. WTF would ANYONE be paranoid about our government? :eek:
 
I "get" the "concept" you WANT to happen, but what you want and what just happened AREN'T THE SAME THING. You didn't get a Net Neutrality law AT ALL. You got the FCC taking over and doing whatever they're told to do by whatever administration happens to be in control (and will change in less than two years). You believe they will stop with only the things YOU want. But sadly you're wrong. Once regulated, they can do whatever they want and you will regret asking the wolf to guard your sheep.

In a few years when you hate the decision, just remember that and how you mouthed off to someone who knew better. Meanwhile, keep mocking away... :rolleyes:

Where were your complaints about this regulation from 2000 to 2005? What? You didn't complain? And the sky didn't fall then? Oh, well.. so much for your argument in this thread.

BL.
 
“Net neutrality’s goal is to empower the federal government to ration and apportion Internet bandwidth as it sees fit, and to thereby control the Internet’s content,” says Phil Kerpen, an anti-net-neutrality activist from the group American Commitment.
The whole article is bunk right there. No point in even reading further.

Here is a real link.
http://www.freepress.net/blog/2014/01/17/reclassification-not-dirty-word
 
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That is EXACTLY right.

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We may not see any bad effects now, but mark my words...the internet is going to become a crappy service for everyone. Anything ran and controlled by an agency that is "here to help and make things better" is not a good thing.

We have the Internet because a large group of innovators had the FREEDOM to innovate.

Based on what proof?

"Exactly" right? All I see is fear mongering with no evidence to back it up.
 
That is EXACTLY right.

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We may not see any bad effects now, but mark my words...the internet is going to become a crappy service for everyone. Anything ran and controlled by an agency that is "here to help and make things better" is not a good thing.

We have the Internet because a large group of innovators had the FREEDOM to innovate.

Except for when the Internet already was a regulated utility. Oh wait, did you forget about that? Amazing how censored and controlled the internet was then.

I don't know why we're even bothering anymore. All they'll say is that it's leftist propaganda, and we're all sheeple or something.

OPEN YOUR EYES OLOL!

This subject (both on MacRumors and elsewhere) has brought out some of the most uninformed and/or misinformed people I've dealt with in a while.
 
If some folks read more and talked less....they might come to a more clear understanding of how far down the rabbit hole this country has gone.

"The Marxist's love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses.
Within a socialist community there is no room for freedom. There can be no freedom of the press where the government owns every printing office.
There can be no free choice of profession or trade where the government is the only employer and assigns everyone the task he must fulfill.
There can be no freedom to settle where one chooses when the government has the power to fix one’s place of work.
There can be no real freedom of scientific research where the government owns all the libraries, archives, and laboratories and has the right to send anyone to a place where he cannot continue his investigations.
There can be no freedom in art and literature where the government determines who shall create them. There can be neither freedom of conscience nor of speech where the government has the power to remove any opponent to a climate which is detrimental to his health, or to assign him duties which surpass his strength and ruin him both physically and intellectually.”
Ludwig von Mises

I'm just on post #82 in this conversation and I have finally heard a voice of reason.
 
We did. 2008-2010, Democrats controlled both Congress and Presidency, with a very sympathetic Supreme Court. They did nothing.

It may be hard to wrap your head around but Democrats are generally not Leftists. There are a handful that qualify as left of center in my book.

If Democrats were any kind of upstanding leftist/socialists we would have single payer, not this Republican Governor's plan out of Mass. Single payer was not even discussed. That would have been a satisfyingly lefty approach to healthcare.

I predict all these dire warnings on Net Neutrality will amount to as much in the real world as death panels have.
 
I'm just on post #82 in this conversation and I have finally heard a voice of reason.

Surely that voice could not have been the one you quoted.

Because that voice sounded like it belonged (and should have stayed) in the McCarthy era.

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This is really good. Future generations will thank us for calling Congress, writing letters, and sending emails, and sharing on social media so others could do the same :apple:
 
Where were your complaints about this regulation from 2000 to 2005? What? You didn't complain? And the sky didn't fall then? Oh, well.. so much for your argument in this thread.

BL.

What regulation? Every attempt I saw by the FCC to "regulate" the Internet up until this point has FAILED UTTERLY in the court system, which has ruled quite consistently that the FCC has no power to do the things it has been trying to do.

Up until 2004, I can find no cases of the FCC doing anything other than "promoting principles".

In 2005, I see a Madison River case where the case was settled before ever being taken to court (no rulings). DSL (a phone based service) was deregulated in 2005 (that means NO REGULATIONS by the FCC, not "more"). The FCC was reminded by the National Cable and Television Association that it had no authority without a Congressional law to implement "Net Neutrality" and they urged them to pursue one.

In 2007, the FCC attempted to deal with Comcast throttling Bit Torrent clients and ordered a cease and desist in 2008, but in 2010 the US Court of Appeals ruled the FCC, "has failed to tie its assertion’ of regulatory authority to an actual law enacted by Congress." That means they had no authority to regulate Internet content or ISP behaviors.

In 2010, the FCC proposed Net Neutrality "principles" that did NOT tell ISPs that they could not charge customers more for higher speeds. "The measure was denounced by net neutrality advocates as a capitulation to telecommunication companies such as allowing them to discriminate on transmission speed for their profit, especially on mobile devices like the iPad, while pro-business advocates complained about any regulation of the Internet at all." What that means is AS *I* SAID EARLIER, some of your "friends" pushing for "Net Neutrality" want ONE PRICE, ONE SPEED for customers. In other words, they want everyone to have the same speed/access and no faster access for more money. Think of it as the Communism of Net Neutrality. This would mean SLOW SLOW SLOW for those of us that aren't living on welfare.

"On January 14, 2014, the DC Circuit Court determined in the case of Verizon Communications Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission[47] that the FCC has no authority to enforce Network Neutrality rules, since service providers are not identified as "common carriers."

"On May 15, 2014, the FCC decided to consider two options regarding Internet services: first, permit fast and slow broadband lanes, thereby compromising net neutrality; and second, reclassify broadband as a telecommunication service, thereby preserving net neutrality."

Here's your "government" scheming to ALLOW fast lanes via FCC regulation. Whatever your beliefs about "Net Neutrality" are today can be changed by the FCC at a moment's notice tomorrow. Do you seriously believe they are no affected by lobbying? Again, how about a CONCRETE LAW instead of a "ruling" ? It won't and HAS NOT stood up in court thus far and I see no reason to believe it will this time either. Look at who controls the courts right now. It's not Obama's side.

"On January 16, 2015, Republicans presented legislation, in the form of a U. S. Congress H. R. discussion draft bill, that makes concessions to net neutrality but prohibits the FCC from accomplishing the goal or enacting any further regulation affecting ISPs."

Notice the latter part. It STOPS ANY FURTHER REGULATIONS of the ISP. Your Republican Congress at work for big business.

"On February 26, 2015 the FCC applied common carrier of the Communications Act of 1934 and Section 706 of the Telecommunications act of 1996 to the internet."

That is the subject of this thread. The FCC decided it would declare ISP common carriers despite prior court rulings that ISPs are NOT common carriers. I fail to see how this could stand up in court due to prior rulings. The Internet is not a telephone operation save DSL which was already deregulated as such.

All I have to say is those that claim I don't "get it" have nothing to back it up. This talk about "where was I" in 2000-2005? WTF are you talking about??? Again, WHAT REGULATION? You mean ATTEMPTS to regulate that were struck down by the courts??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I think it's clear who doesn't know WTF they're talking about on here and it's not me.

As I already said, I'm not opposed to some Net Neutrality rules, but they need to be concise, limited and passed as a LAW, not a FCC ruling. The courts have backed this up so far. But the idea that there cannot be SOME private high speed lanes on the Internet is also absurd. As long as customers have Net Neutral alternatives, I don't see why a business who pays to connect to the Internet cannot offer faster services to individuals willing to pay for it. Should we all be forced to drive Volvos? Should my Netflix 4K experience be RUINED by a bunch of people playing Tux Racer because of "Net Neutrality" rules when it's possible to offer multiple ISPs, some with and some without Net Neutrality. No, a SLOW INTERNET IS A CRAPPY INTERNET.

The best solution (as would have been with health care) is to offer a Net Neutral government run alternative. If you like it, get it. If you prefer a private offering, get it. The competition would do us all good.
 
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