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That is the definition of competition and consumer choice. The consumer looks at competing products as a set price and weights the options to which product presents them the best value proposition.

Right. And as far as that's concerned, DSL is unable to prove the best value at the best price in comparison to cable. Case in point, I'm on a 50/50 fiber connection. Costs me $50 a month. In comparison, the fastest DSL service in my area is 25/5 for $55 a month. I'm paying more for less.

There is no value proposition there.

But on the other hand, I have the choice between fiber and cable, which each one offering upwards of 100MBPs for roughly the same prices. That's because Charter and my local telco are in competition, and I'm thus able to choose between better options. My area in general has a better selection of internet providers than 97% of the US, and we in turn have some of the best connections in the entire country.

That is competition.
 
I read somewhere, and I'm not sure that it's not FUD, that this new reclassification isn't all that everyone wanted it to be.

There was something about taxing, and raising fees in it, but since there has been so much FUD, and chaff from the right and the Luddites about this, it's hard to tell what's truthy, and what's pure unadulterated FUD.

Hopefully we got what the internet needed. Time will tell I guess...

And don't count out the bonehead congress, or the equally boneheaded US 'justice' System.

Get your popcorn ready...
 
The fact is, Netflix had long since set up quite a few deals with Tier 1 providers that would've eased the congestion on Comcast and Co.'s networks. All they had to was, quite literally, plug into the router.

The problem was, Comcast and Co. didn't want to do that. They ignored it entirely, complained Netflix was eating their bandwidth, then turned around and demanded they pay for priority access.

That's what the core issue of all this was. It wasn't that Netflix wanted a free ride. They had spent millions already providing enough bandwidth to the ISPs to keep them from bogging down. It was that the ISPs trumped the whole situation up into a Poor Little Us scenario to get more money.

Perhaps but now that they cant charge Netflix extra who do you think they will charge now? (and of course this whole deal isnt just about Netflix but they are an example of content bandwidth hogs) :) Anyway I suspect now that the government is involved there will be tax hikes (yes Obama and gang love those) and fee increases in general since that part was not regulated. Put it this way, the ISP's are not going to loose. They are going to make up those lost dollars somewhere. If not from the Netflix's of the world then the consumers.
 
One example from Forbes:



This is a bad idea for the same reason that only having vanilla ice cream for sale is a bad idea: some people want, and are willing to pay for, something different. Forcing a one-size-fits-all solution on the Internet stifles innovation by blocking some companies from turning new ideas or business models into successful products.

I stopped reading after this paragraph because it became apparent that the author is ignorant, maybe on purpose maybe not. There's nothing in the net neutrality rules that says cable companies can't offer their consumers higher speeds at higher costs. What the rules say is that if I pay for 100mb, I have 100mb access to any service I want to use
 
I read somewhere, and I'm not sure that it's not FUD, that this new reclassification isn't all that everyone wanted it to be.

It's not full Title II reclassification. It's more Title II with exceptions. ISPs are still able to set their own prices and do other things most utilities aren't usually allowed to do. As far as that's concerned, nothing's changed from the status quo.

What it does is make it so that ISPs can't prioritize or degrade data streams for arbitrary reasons.
 
So "broadband" is a utility and must be net neutral.

But didn't they also say "Broadband" requires a minimum Mbps?

So basically they just made a huge disincentive for cable companies to upgrade the speeds so they can continue to throttle and be net-non-neutral?

They've made it so you can't throttle or block specific data. They also made it so that state laws disallowing new ISP's from entering areas no longer matter. If you want to not upgrade infrastructure or throttle people, fine, another ISP will come along and take all of your customers. This is a win/win for the people. Costs should go down, speeds should go up. It wouldn't surprised me if this eventually ended data caps, as ISP's are forced to compete.. finally.
 
No, the government cannot regulate content on the internet?

Like it doesn't on radio or television.

Remember, the progressive (like Obama) would like nothing more (and have tried) to bring back the 'fairness doctrine' which is the definition of regulation of free speech.

You must be crack-baby high to think that content regulations and additional taxes are not on their way. After all, that is what progressives do.

That was some of the FUD that I read on someone that followed me on twitter yesterday.

'Oh this passes, and all hell is going to break loose. Obama can control what's on the internet'

'They could then tax the internet!'

'Obama would eat your children through your computer! OMG!'

Most of it IS 'fud', touted by people that couldn't even explain how the internet works if their lives depended on it, and can't use their computer without their children's help.
 
That was some of the FUD that I read on someone that followed me on twitter yesterday.

'Oh this passes, and all hell is going to break loose. Obama can control what's on the internet'

'They could then tax the internet!'

'Obama would eat your children through your computer! OMG!'

Most of it IS 'fud', touted by people that couldn't even explain how the internet works if their lives depended on it, and can't use their computer without their children's help.

It is well documented that Obama wants to reinstate the fairness doctrine - the progressive wet dream.

Obama has shown he is constrained by the constitution. Hell, the Obama administration literally just stole $3 billion from the treasury to pay for Obamacare kickbacks. Just add that to the list.
 
It is well documented that Obama wants to reinstate the fairness doctrine - the progressive wet dream.

Obama has shown he is constrained by the constitution. Hell, the Obama administration literally just stole $3 billion from the treasury to pay for Obamacare kickbacks. Just add that to the list.

You really need to stop sniffing glue, and paint fumes. Reality isn't all that bad, and Obama is black, but he's still human, and OUR president...

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Are you sure? I mean everyone keeps saying about how commie this is.

This sounds like something that's potentially even more damaging to our freedoms than those multiethnic emoji. And we all know how bad those are.

Nope.
 
You really need to stop sniffing glue, and paint fumes. Reality isn't all that bad, and Obama is black, but he's still human, and OUR president...

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The U.S. Treasury Department has rebuffed a request by House Ways and Means Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R- Wis., to explain $3 billion in payments that were made to health insurers even though Congress never authorized the spending through annual appropriations.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...billion-in-obamacare-payments/article/2560739

Have fun.
 
In what regard are you saying they haven't done that? Cause ISPs have inked deals for "better" service to companies like Netflix. The next logical step would be to tier out "better" services to the customers. The idea that ISPs will police themselves is a joke.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rees-to-pay-verizon-for-faster-network-access

What's been agreed is that the ISPs won't deliberately block access to sites or slow them down (e.g. Comcast won't slow down CBS' web site). If Netflix wants to pay Comcast to build out a higher speed pipeline for its services, what's wrong with that? It isn't free, and someone is going to pay for it sooner or later. What you are proposing is like saying Amtrak can't charge extra for the Acela.
 
It's not full Title II reclassification. It's more Title II with exceptions. ISPs are still able to set their own prices and do other things most utilities aren't usually allowed to do. As far as that's concerned, nothing's changed from the status quo.

What it does is make it so that ISPs can't prioritize or degrade data streams for arbitrary reasons.

Except that it IS full Title II reclassification. The FCC is "forbearing" on some of the more onerous provisions. All it takes is a decision by the FCC to discontinue forbearance. The other beef is that the FCC is supposed to be an independent agency. Tom Wheeler was inclined NOT to reclassify broadband until he was pressured by the White House last year.
 
What's been agreed is that the ISPs won't deliberately block access to sites or slow them down (e.g. Comcast won't slow down CBS' web site). If Netflix wants to pay Comcast to build out a higher speed pipeline for its services, what's wrong with that? It isn't free, and someone is going to pay for it sooner or later. What you are proposing is like saying Amtrak can't charge extra for the Acela.


Sounds like Comcast customers do not know how to use the internet.
 
Yes, I am connected via satellite. As can you be connected via satellite if Comcast is your only land based ISP in the area (which we know it isn't as almost every market has DSL).

Your rant discussed how the internet is made up of under ground ducts and telephone poles. That is inaccurate in terms of viable tier-3 (consumer ISP) network providers.

Like I said, you are willfully ignoring viable alternative options to attempt to make your point.

You aren't seriously dismissing my post because you believe consumers have the choice between DSL/Cable from their monopoly provider and satellite internet?

That is not choice. It's an illusion of choice. Heck, those two forms of communication do not even compete against one another.

Satellite internet is not a viable consumer option, certainly not for the mainstream user. It might be for the country guy who only checks his email once a month but satellite is most definitely not competing with DSL/Cable. Not on price, not on reliability, and certainly not on speed.

My point remains. Telecoms is a natural monopoly and always will be. There's no way of getting around it. It's clear from your posts that you have no objection to permitting a private corporation take control of said monopoly by being both the owner and operator of the infrastructure in a particular market.

Your attempts at justifying this behaviour by claiming people could just choose to subscribe to a satellite provider is ludicrous.
 
Except that it IS full Title II reclassification. The FCC is "forbearing" on some of the more onerous provisions. All it takes is a decision by the FCC to discontinue forbearance. The other beef is that the FCC is supposed to be an independent agency. Tom Wheeler was inclined NOT to reclassify broadband until he was pressured by the White House last year.

I don't think anyone wanted to reclassify broadband as a utility until the ISPs decided they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Remember, at one point the FCC was enforcing net neutrality without any of the Title II restrictions to engender market growth and innovation.

They ended up getting sued for their efforts, lost, and watched as Comcast turned around and proved that they can't be trusted to provide a important service to the public without gaming the entire system to exclusively their own benefit. Verizon and AT&T followed soon after.

And now here we are.
 
Newsflash, Barack Obama is the worst President in U.S. history, has singlehandedly done more damage than good, and the country may take anywhere from 10-25 years to recover from his 8 years of corruption, if it can at all. At a point in history when so many things in this world are at crucial turning points, we have possibly gone into the dark ages of American Communism.

STOP DRINKING THE TEA!

What do you think of the previous 8 years when the federal debt really increased after having been reigned in, getting into a war on fictitious fabricated reasons, and having the economy spiral downward and out of control.

Mitch, is that you?
 
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