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Federal Lawsuit Filed Over Apple's Location Tracking in iOS [Updated]

marksman said:
If the information was so important to someone else, they could just pay someone to follow you or get the information in other ways.

That someone would have to steal your iPhone to access this information is way beyond what they would have to do to get the same information a number of other ways.
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Sounds quite a bit easier to steal the iPhone vs the other methods.

Anyway I hope apple gets whats coming to them, they have become quite a arrogant company since they've become a force in the mid-2000s. They think they can do what they want, I hope this takes a great stab at them and maybe they'll show a little more respect for the hands that feed them.

There is ZERO reason why it is necessary to store this kind of information for years. As far as I know there isn't a terms of service that discloses this behavior from apple either. Like I said, I hope it takes a nice chunk out of them.

Oh and the argument google is doing the same doesn't make it right. As the old saying goes "Two wrongs don't make a right."

Google should be in this lawsuit as well, even if the location info is stored securely STILL doesn't make it right.
 
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marksman said:
If the information was so important to someone else, they could just pay someone to follow you or get the information in other ways.

That someone would have to steal your iPhone to access this information is way beyond what they would have to do to get the same information a number of other ways.
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Stealing your iPhone is the only way to get to this information? Really? Think outside the box for a minute.
 
Full of Win said:
Sure, ask and ye shall receive

Source: The Wall Street Journal

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...53610.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Oh, and data is collected even after location services are turned off.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704123204576283580249161342.html
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LOL! And if you actually read the articles instead of hand picking tidbits to support your weak rant..... you'd see that Google is as big or even bigger of an offender, and that BOTH only send data when locations services are turned on.

And the data sent for both devices is anonymous (according to both companies) and not very accurate at that.

Again, I go back to my original points.... WHY CARE? The data collected (either locally or sent back to Apple or Google) is loosely accurate, anonymous, and duplicate of the data collected by the Cell phone companies anyway.

For you Win... it's something to rant about and I'm sure you're happy... just remember, you beloved Google is just as bad. But this is all just blown out of shape anyway by the press.
 
Alright so for the last bit I have seen this story going on and seriously people. The post has not even been up for a day and already 200 replies of almost the exact same thing as in the other posts. I did not read through them all since we are at 200+ responses.

I do have to ask who really cares if two lawyers are going to sue Apple over something most of us would prefer not to be happening either way? Their reasoning for suing does not matter as their lawsuit affects probably the majority of us. So make up whatever reason you want for them suing. Never know their lawsuit might benefit our privacy in the long run if they win. Which is doubtful IMO but I am not a lawyer and don't know a ton about these things but money does rule America and Apple has quite a bit.
 
rjohnstone said:
Actually it would not be admissible.
The police would not be able to verify where it actually came from unless they actually watched you retrieve it.
At that point a good attorney would argue that you were acting as an agent of the police and the subsequent discovery and retrieval of the coke would fall under the same rules for gathering evidence and require a warrant.
The coke evidence would get tossed and you would go to jail for breaking and entering.
The officers who you handed the coke too would either be reprimanded or fired.
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This is quite incomplete as there are court cases that say quite the opposite.

For one, the police can truthfully testify where THEY got it from. They would have to prove, however, that it was where you said you found it. That's more difficult, but quite possible (for example, fingerprints, DNA evidence, etc.).

For another, a BAD lawyer could argue that you were acting as an agent of the police. However, the court would be under no obligation to accept that argument without much more underpinnings to that argument. A good lawyer would have to strengthen that allegation with additional evidence; just turning over evidence is not enough to be an agent of the police.
 
I don't know why they even bother with the secret tracking. Most Apple buyers are so loyal that they would voluntarily give Steve any information he wanted. They'd even pay for an app that allowed them to be tracked. Lemmings.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5)

It's a smartphone for a reason if u didn't want to b found get a disposable phone!!
 
Frivolous or not can someone explain why Apple needs to collect this data at all?
Seems like a silly idea to me....and completely understandable that some people would be upset about it.
Can't say it fills me with glee...but agreed it's no worse than the chips WalMart et al put in their products.
All these systems are all way to invasive as far as I'm concerned.
 
The article should have read:

"The two plaintiffs, a douche-bag in Florida and a douche-bag in New York, are asking a judge to bar Apple from collecting the location data and requesting refunds for the purchase prices for their devices, claiming that they would not have bought them if they had known about the data collection."
 
JAT said:
That's for a civilian assuming some "police role". But if you are at someone's house legally and see contraband or whatever, you can become a witness, and turn in evidence yourself.
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True, but that was not the scenario described.
The scenario described was a B&E where the civilian stole the evidence and turned it over to the police.
The chain of custody of said "evidence" is broken and becomes hearsay evidence. There is no verifiable proof of where the "evidence" was actually recovered from.
That would be like me walking into a police station and saying I found this 10lbs of coke in YOUR house. I would have to prove it came from YOUR house. Since it was removed, the proof of its origins would be difficult to prove.




As to the topic at hand, I found this interesting chart.
Take it for what it's worth.

chartughhhh.jpg
 
Popeye206 said:
LOL! And if you actually read the articles instead of hand picking tidbits to support your weak rant..... you'd see that Google is as big or even bigger of an offender, and that BOTH only send data when locations services are turned on.
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Two wrongs do not make a right.

Popeye206 said:
And the data sent for both devices is anonymous (according to both companies) and not very accurate at that.

Again, I go back to my original points.... WHY CARE? The data collected (either locally or sent back to Apple or Google) is loosely accurate, anonymous, and duplicate of the data collected by the Cell phone companies anyway.
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I care, its my personal information. Don't care the accuracy of it, its my personal information. Why should it be collected and sent to Apple after I have turned off location services.


Popeye206 said:
For you Win... it's something to rant about and I'm sure you're happy... just remember, you beloved Google is just as bad. But this is all just blown out of shape anyway by the press.
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I have no love for Google. I hate any company that does this type of snooping.
 
jonnysods said:
Oh my stars. Is there anything someone can't sue over?
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Ask yourself, do they not deserve it?

Apple has been getting away with a laundry list of things over the past 5 years, I think its way overdue they get bit. Its funny because if it was any other company that pulls some of the crap apple does they'd be in the dog pound by the public and the media, but apple seems to have magical powers that void them from any responsibility to the consumer.
 
rjohnstone said:
True, but that was not the scenario described.
The scenario described was a B&E where the civilian stole the evidence and turned it over to the police.
The chain of custody of said "evidence" is broken and becomes hearsay evidence. There is no verifiable proof of where the "evidence" was actually recovered from.
That would be like me walking into a police station and saying I found this 10lbs of coke in YOUR house. I would have to prove it came from YOUR house. Since it was removed, the proof of its origins would be difficult to prove.




As to the topic at hand, I found this interesting chart.
Take it for what it's worth.

Image
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The Wall Street Journal has shown that iOS collects this data after location services are turned off. Either they are wrong, or you are spreading FUD. Based on track record, I tend to think the experts quoted by the WSJ is correct and this chart is lying to aid Apple it its program of 'tag and track'.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
I don't know why they even bother with the secret tracking. Most Apple buyers are so loyal that they would voluntarily give Steve any information he wanted. They'd even pay for an app that allowed them to be tracked. Lemmings.
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Hey, I resemble that remark! Yep, I gladly paid money to be tracked...on three separate occasions. Just because you don't understand the appeal of a database depicting your travels and activities, doesn't mean that I'm an idiot because I do. I imagine if we talked for just a few minutes, I could come up with at least an activity or two of your own that could be described as lemming like.
 
Full of Win said:
The Wall Street Journal has shown that iOS collects this data after location services are turned off. Either they are wrong, or you are spreading FUD. Based on track record, I tend to think the experts quoted by the WSJ is correct and this chart is lying to aid Apple it its program of 'tag and track'.
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WTH hell are you talking about spreading FUD?

I said
As to the topic at hand, I found this interesting chart.
Take it for what it's worth.
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It came from Gawker.

And if you read back a few pages you'll see that I couldn't give a rats a** about the tracking file.
I'm just curious as the "why" it's there if it's not used.

Lighten up Frances. :rolleyes:
 
noisycats said:
Hey, I resemble that remark! Yep, I gladly paid money to be tracked...on three separate occasions. Just because you don't understand the appeal of a database depicting your travels and activities, doesn't mean that I'm an idiot because I do. I imagine if we talked for just a few minutes, I could come up with at least an activity or two of your own that could be described as lemming like.
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If you find it appealing to be secretly tracked and defend the company doing it, so be it.
 
I'm not sure yet what I think of Apple's actions but I know what the basis of these lawsuits is: greed. They see a chance to get money. Until the fog of why is cleared it is not the time for such nastiness. Bar the lawyers.
 
oldwatery said:
Frivolous or not can someone explain why Apple needs to collect this data at all?
Seems like a silly idea to me....and completely understandable that some people would be upset about it.
Can't say it fills me with glee...but agreed it's no worse than the chips WalMart et al put in their products.
All these systems are all way to invasive as far as I'm concerned.
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APPLE is NOT collecting the data, why are people saying over and over again that Apple is collecting the data? this is a private file on your private phone or computer!!!
 
Full of Win said:
The Wall Street Journal has shown that iOS collects this data after location services are turned off. Either they are wrong, or you are spreading FUD. Based on track record, I tend to think the experts quoted by the WSJ is correct and this chart is lying to aid Apple it its program of 'tag and track'.
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Win... wrong. The WSJ said it tracked data (on the local file and only cell tower), but did not transmit it.

Again... stupid to worry about. Hate to tell you, no one cares about where you, me, or anyone else has been.

BTW... if you have a car with OnStar... they watch you too! :rolleyes:
 
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