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I'm safe. I have a landline in my house. Do you think ATT knows where it is?:)

the phone company has more then location data on everyone and thats is a standard in case authorities with a proper warrant need to look into any matters legally.


apple is not a law enforcement agency and this could may have more to do with corperate espionage
 
This is a national security issue now becuase apps created by 3rd party's to apple or otherwise can and have taken advantage of this information to commit violations beyond just user locations.

Apple is liable
 
the phone company has more then location data on everyone and thats is a standard in case authorities with a proper warrant need to look into any matters legally.


apple is not a law enforcement agency and this could may have more to do with corporate espionage

corporate espionage is monitored by the FBI, as a federal offense if proven so yes, but this is a national offense now, how will we explain this as a flaw to other countries with sensitive security like Israel, UK?
 
This is a national security issue now becuase apps created by 3rd party's to apple or otherwise can and have taken advantage of this information to commit violations beyond just user locations.

Apple is liable

Say what???? :confused:

Wow has this conversation gone completely crazy!
 
There is a huge difference between a phone carrier who "could build" it and a company like Apple that actually has built AND used it.

I know that people who live on Facebook don't have a problem with somebody collecting their data -- obviously, privacy is nothing they want to be bothered with or what they are concerned about. But without privacy, there cannot be Freedom.

I'm in the camp with the people who do NOT want ANY company - or government - on this planet to gather data about me without my explicit approval. I am against surveillance cameras, body scanners and any other Big Brother technology that only provides an illusion of safety at the total expense of liberty and freedom. So I certainly do not want to carry around a mobile tracking device for myself, and I definitely do not want Apple or Google, the CIA, MOSSAD, Obama or Gaddafi to know where I spent the last week.

I'm really sure Apple, Google, the CIA, MOSSAD, Obama, and your neighbors could care less where you've been last week!

Point is, computers, cell phones (all), your debt/credit card and some auto's all give you an electronic fingerprint that can be recalled and traced.

Do you feel less free now?
 
This is a national security issue now becuase apps created by 3rd party's to apple or otherwise can and have taken advantage of this information to commit violations beyond just user locations.

I've tried several times to read that sentence and get some sense of what you're trying to say but it just doesn't click. Can you give a concrete example of what you're talking about?
 
That something that could be explained in two lines by someone in the know has to go to a Federal lawsuit. Clearly Apple is trying to avoid getting drawn into a privacy discussion, because as we know, there's no end to the absurd lengths people will declare their rights trod upon.

Someone's trying to make a "big thing®" out of this.

Agreed.

Apple's system is controlled and closed. So accessing the location data through apps should be controllable.

At best I see apple being made to either kill the collection process or encrypt it. Little else.

This may be more of a liability issue for the jailbreak community and those who might provide uncontrolled access to iOS etc...
 
This is a national security issue now becuase apps created by 3rd party's to apple or otherwise can and have taken advantage of this information to commit violations beyond just user locations.

Apple is liable

I've tried several times to read that sentence and get some sense of what you're trying to say but it just doesn't click. Can you give a concrete example of what you're talking about?

You're being nice..that statement is just nonsense.
 
corporate espionage is monitored by the FBI, as a federal offense if proven so yes, but this is a national offense now, how will we explain this as a flaw to other countries with sensitive security like Israel, UK?

This is a national security issue now becuase apps created by 3rd party's to apple or otherwise can and have taken advantage of this information to commit violations beyond just user locations.

Apple is liable

the phone company has more then location data on everyone and thats is a standard in case authorities with a proper warrant need to look into any matters legally.


apple is not a law enforcement agency and this could may have more to do with corperate espionage

liar lair your pants are on fire, your trying to cover up for fraud and federal crimes committed here, last year apple collected more then location data, this is only a fraction of why congress is now after them again, they insist to keep doing this and your a accomplice,


The same authorities who capture porn, child and prostitution rings and round up hundreds are going to gather your IPs, bust Apple and their propaganda machine soon, maybe your one of those posting in the behalf of criminals as well, you can say what you want behind bars


You are both crazy. Seriously. You need help.
 
Congress is demanding information to all this as well, they also started a new investigation demanding IPs of users who rank on app store to raise the polls on kids games with scams as well as pro apple propaganda supporters to see who actually works for apple and trying to down play bugs, recalls, espionage, by trolling on forums to intercept or bury any negative apple topic, its better we find out apple is doing this before other countries BAN the products like Israel did confiscating ipads for a while at airports.

I repeat it again, it is a federal offense for anyone with out legal authority (license, District Attorneys authorization) to cable in from the central control of phone company, use phone or internet jammers, especially wire into phone taps or someones device like this.


As you sign agreements apple signed the FCC agreements and all the privacy act agreements, they are fully aware of the crime committed and know how much the fines are, perhaps Apple believes its worth the fine but whats really un forgiving is the way they collected political views from users last year, they must of used tracking software to monitor emails, chats and key strokes on forums, i totally believe its illegal and want to hear what they have to say in court about all this, you should to if you want privacy and no one planting your unique device ID in a scene of a crime to claim your a perpetrator..

yea yea yea, guilty as sin, Apple is corrupted period, they went too far, this was probably an attempt to track down wikileeks people to cover up US crimes abroad, becuase at the same time last year apple contracts NSA security staff members, look it up yourself using google, its free, anyone who defends criminals is an accomplice and congress will collect all the users data with warrants, even trolls with 12000 posts under their names in the last 2 years alone on the apple discussion boards, i wonder if they sleep or what, lets clean up the worms here and move on with a proper secure device instead of supporting a 1984 propaganda campaign

Go stand in court or take your phone back... Lol if they're so corrupt then why are you spening so much money on their products?

Where's your rant against google? Yu know their traffic feature on google maps is compile by users of android by sending their location data back to google servers... And most people don't even know it...
Yes Google traffic feature ongoogle maps is sent back by the device ID and coord,s with location information...
:rolleyes:
 
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Just wanted to say, I think this is a mute argument if the plantifs have turned on the track my idevice service. If so, they have effectively given permission for Apple to track the device for security purposes. I cannot see any other reason for Apple themselves to track the devices. I KNOW A LOT OF THIRD PARTY APPS DO USE TRACKING, but again if you install them it is your choice and so really you cannot shout about invasion of privicy.

I guess the Apple is not immune from the US suing culture! :rolleyes:

Spence
 
But it's not even your true location, its just the locations of your nearest Cell tower and Wi-Fi Network.

Often the records are up to 2 miles away.

And thus the records of where you've been will be logged and stored by the cell phone companies that run the towers that you've connected to!

If the data isn't getting sent to Apple, then Apple isn't collecting the information. The fact that the phone keeps a log of locations local to the phone itself is another matter entirely, but so far it seems the only issue is that the location data can be obtained by anyone with physical access to the phone - e.g., the cops. If you've committed a crime and the phone data implicates you, I don't think anyone will be crying, but if you haven't committed a crime, and the phone data exonerates you, you'll be damn happy.
 
Go stand in court or take your phone back... Lol if they're so corrupt then why are you spening so much money on their products?

Where's your rant against google? Yu know their traffic feature on google maps is compile by users of android by sending their location data back to google servers... And most people don't even know it...
Yes Google traffic feature ongoogle maps is sent back by the device ID and coord,s with location information...
:rolleyes:

I agree with you. SkyStudios guy would have to do more than take his phone back, he would have to completely reequip his business by the looks of his public profile. With the amount of Apple computers he has, HE IS AS GUILTY as anyone else for financing the 'evil Apple empire' that would have us believe Apple is. As for Apple propaganda, well just look at the videos for the iPad, yes is Pro iPad, Duh its an advertisement, but if helping doctor do a better job and helping an autistic boy have a better quality of life is Apple's way of doing propaganda then maybe other companies should start to take some lessons !!!!!
 
The hilarity if this database is both on iOS and Android because of US Gov't requirements...

Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing...

Anyway - I'm not too bothered by either the iOS or Android "tracking" since it's not sent to anyone. I guess it could mean trouble for me if I did something illegal and had my phone confiscated, but this is no scenario that I worry about.
 
The hilarity if this database is both on iOS and Android because of US Gov't requirements...

Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing...

Anyway - I'm not too bothered by either the iOS or Android "tracking" since it's not sent to anyone. I guess it could mean trouble for me if I did something illegal and had my phone confiscated, but this is no scenario that I worry about.

Exactly... who cares where I've been? :p

I downloaded the iPhoneTracker app for the Mac to see my travels. It shows I've been all over the North east. Dots everywhere through PA, NY, NJ, MD, OH, etc... I guess it shows I did a road trip to Michigan and Quebec Canada. As well as Ocean City MD. But to know where I went as far as any specifics, no way could you tell. I don't even see how you could figure out what neighborhood I live in without some detailed review.

Anyway... I thought it was cool. I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Even for the data that is collected by Apple and Google, it's for our benefit. That data is way more accurate than what's in this tower ping file. But again, that data you can opt out of... so again... who cares?
 
Tbh, I like this storage thing. As long as they don't use/send/share the information I'm fine with it. I find it funny to see where I've been actually.
 
Cut the fanboy crap, Apple deserves this. By no means is this an opt-in, I´ve never been asked or at least been informed about the long time storage of my location data. Google should be sued aswell for this privacy invasion. You have to draw the line somewhere, Apple and Google clearly crossed it.

LOL! You're funny!
 
I have no problem suing for privacy invasion, but at least get your facts straight first. Perhaps these kind of legal potshots would be less likely if the loser paid the court costs...
 
The fact that once again this is pointed out and apple refuses to even comment is terrible. I agree they need to be more transparent especially since we are moving to web and mobile 2.0. For a company that does so well with marketing their pr is terrible,
 
The fact that once again this is pointed out and apple refuses to even comment is terrible. I agree they need to be more transparent especially since we are moving to web and mobile 2.0. For a company that does so well with marketing their pr is terrible,

Why would they comment on a pending lawsuit and possibly say something that might be used against them?

Here is your Apple statement: We are very concerned about this issue and are looking into it.
 
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